Flu During Pregnancy Linked to Autism

reply to post by ThichHeaded


My son has autism as well. My wife did not get sick either during pregnancy. Just because there may be a higher likelihood that a pregnant mother that gets the flu during pregnancy doesn't mean they found a link, when other mothers that did not get the flu also give birth to a child with autism.

The best evidence and studies I have found that make the most sense about autism is that it is the disorder is more parasitic in nature. There has been evidence that fever in autistic children have increased their social function. I have witnessed this myself in my own son.

Reported improvements include increases in alertness, decreases in self-stimulatory behavior, and for some, more coherent language. The new study, funded by Cure Autism Now (CAN), marks the first attempt to systematically document such a "fever effect" in children with autism.

www.autismspeaks.org...

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by riley

 

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I wrote a reasoned, informed post, but you and others apparently responded only to the headline. From the OP:

Only the headline? Really? I could say you seem to want people to only focus on your reasoned, informed post rather than an the news story but I'm not going to assume that about you.

In fact I read your post, but more importantly I read the whole article and actually watched the video and genuinely believe that this will be used to bully pregnant women into having the flu shot. Why? Aside from the fact that this is not the first time they have done this.. in that video the doctor actually ADVISED them to get the flu shot (and advised against the nasal spray) so please don't go assuming stuff as.. well you know what that leads to. My response was about the link you posted and wasn't a judgement on your own views.. in fact we seem to agree that the media is using this study to advertise flu shots.

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Ya my 2nd son got autism and his mother didn't get sick while he was pregnant... He did however get the MMR shot and became screwed up because of it..

Call me crazy but it don't take a scientist to tell me wtf happened to him...

I've witnessed this personally, have also seen a child develop deadly food allergies after vaccinations and heard these kinds of things thousands of times otherwise. I am hoping one day the medical world will stop calling these parents liars or calling those deaths "coinicidental".. or having reactions called "rare" as if that makes them somehow more acceptable.

::EDIT::

Hey Riley and soficrow.. Long time no see you guys.. or girls..

Hello! We are officially old timers.

reply to post by UmbraSumus

Do you believe there is a genetic predisposition to the condition triggered by environmental factors - or just environmental factors alone ?

Many people do not understand that "genetics" cannot and does not account for the vast majority of human traits, diseases and conditions. Few are aware of epigenetics, which does have a huge impact, and also works with environmental factors.

In biology, and specifically genetics, epigenetics is the study of heritable changes in gene expression or cellular phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence – hence the name epi- (Greek: επί- over, above, outer) -genetics. It refers to functionally relevant modifications to the genome that do not involve a change in the nucleotide sequence. Examples of such modifications are DNA methylation and histone modification, both of which serve to regulate gene expression without altering the underlying DNA sequence. These changes may remain through cell divisions for the remainder of the cell's life and may also last for multiple generations. However, there is no change in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism;[1] instead, non-genetic factors cause the organism's genes to behave (or "express themselves") differently.[2]

[NOTE: I have few "beliefs" when it comes to science; while I admit to the sins of inference and deduction, I generally prefer to rely on actual evidence.]

Could the increase in the number of diagnosed cases be due to greater general awareness of the condition - were once children displaying such atypical behaviour were just deemed odd or to use the parlance of the time "mentally retarded".

Doesn't wash - what with rampant poverty, most peoples' lack of insurance coverage and medical policies of "benign neglect", only a relative few are actually diagnosed. There IS an autism pandemic - obviously triggered by "human action" (vaccines, food processing, pollution, GM, etc.).

Why is there a greater number of males to females who have autism ?

A lot of diseases seem to manifest differently in males and females. For example, certain cell changes in certain regions of the reproductive organs result in loss of bladder control in women and erectile dysfunction in men. Both symptoms are now pandemic and support mega-billion dollar industries. The underlying condition for autism probably tends to manifest differently in females [deduction ].

reply to post by riley

Only the headline? Really?

Sorry! I go fast, get curt - don't mean to be rude but recognize that I am sometimes. ..Will try harder.

I could say you seem to want people to only focus on your reasoned, informed post rather than an the news story but I'm not going to assume that about you.

I referenced more than one news story - not all pushed vaccines and ALL specified that NO evidence even suggested that vaccination might have prevented autism. ...In general, the mainstream coverage was almost responsible (although it was fairly clear who was in bed with Big Pharma and/or reflecting governments' conclusion that vaccination is the only protection for the masses).

...Please, DO assume that I want people to get past one single article/headline/sound bite. That's why I research and reference - to show the larger context, and to encourage informed thinking and decision-making. And I spend WAYYY more time doing it than I would if I just spewed off the top of my head.

In fact I read your post, but more importantly I read the whole article and actually watched the video and genuinely believe that this will be used to bully pregnant women into having the flu shot. ...My response was about the link you posted and wasn't a judgement on your own views.. in fact we seem to agree that the media is using this study to advertise flu shots.

I posted 3 different news links with different slants, 4 related links from ATS, plus 4 linked quotes. ...We DO agree mainly - but as I pointed out, only some media are pushing flu shots and bullying pregnant women (a real danger).

NOTE: I'll be posting a new article about vaccines in "Diseases and Pandemics" - please watch for it and comment!

Thanks riley!

reply to post by soficrow


The first point made here seems to be getting lost:

...there is no evidence suggesting flu shots would prevent the development of autism, (but) much mainstream coverage is using these study results to promote flu shots for the current flu season.

reply to post by soficrow


Why the heck would they do that? The media makes it hard enough for the average person to filter truth from fiction and they try to promote vaccines with this info?
A higher risk of a child being born with autism because of the flu, doesn't mean every time!

Scientists have some evidence of the immune system attacking the fetus, the flu must make it worse.