Nearly everyone on UK paedophile ring list is a Freemason says abuse victim

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by network dude
I cannot wait for the...Alcohol part!

Or you could always move to New Jersey.

No. Just no. I don't own a snow shovel, and a damn sure don't want to use it on a roof.
I'll sip my tea and enjoy rounds of golf in January.

But thanks anyway.

Originally posted by network dude
I don't own a snow shovel, and a damn sure don't want to use it on a roof.

That was not an enjoyable afternoon/evening.

Masons 'hid Savile guilt'

JIMMY Savile was a top-ranking Freemason whose pals in the shadowy society shielded him from justice, it was claimed last night.

The depraved DJ even tried to recruit Peter Sutcliffe, according to a leading expert.

David Noakes said: “Freemasons in the BBC, the police and in the criminal prosecution services were protecting Savile.”

Another source claimed that was the reason the star was buried at an angle — as a Masonic honour and NOT because he wanted to face the sea in Scarborough.

The society denies he was ever a member

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reply to post by blupblup


Mate! The Sun?

And David Noakes likes to call people 'Nazis' if they are in favour of the EU...hardly an expert on anything other than being grossly offensive.

Oh great, another example of freemasonry being vilified. Just a point of interest though, as many know I am a Freemason and unfortunately experienced sexual abuse as a child ( my abuser was definitely not a Freemason.)

So if I ever thought child sexual abuse was common place in masonry, I would walk at the drop of a hat, suprisingly though I have not encountered anyone but decent hard working men and their wonderful supportive spouses or significant other.

reply to post by blupblup

Your article provides no evidence that he was a Mason. They just say he was and expect us to believe it. Maybe they could tell us what Lodge.

Being buried at an angle is not some Masonic burial rite. From the photos of his funeral, no one there was a Mason.

reply to post by blupblup


Please look up the Catholic-Masonic relationship.
Jimmy Saville was a member of an elite Catholic group. To be a mason would have meant ex-communication from the church.

He was not a mason. Even if the Sun said so. And I am not interested in Bat Boy's opinion either.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
reply to post by blupblup

 

Mate! The Sun?

And David Noakes likes to call people 'Nazis' if they are in favour of the EU...hardly an expert on anything other than being grossly offensive.

I know man...

:shk:


But then Murdoch is pissed off.... he lost a paper, got humiliated.
There is some kind of "war" going on... things are being leaked.

I would NEVER use the sun usually, wouldn't wipe my arse with it

Originally posted by blupblup
I would NEVER use the sun usually, wouldn't wipe my arse with it

edit on 19/11/12 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

Then just out of curiosity, why did you?

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by blupblup
I would NEVER use the sun usually, wouldn't wipe my arse with it

edit on 19/11/12 by blupblup because: (no reason given)

Then just out of curiosity, why did you?

Did you see I used the word "usually"

Murdoch was embarrassed publicly in the UK and was "scrutinised" in the Leveson Inquiry.
In all the time Murdoch's papers were hacking phones, I'm pretty sure Murdoch and the Journo's learned a thing or two... A thing or two that they now have over certain people.

Blackmail

What is going on in the UK right now is huge.

Info is (possibly) slyly and slowly being leaked through the media.

Nobody is able to come out and say anything, LMA and others have most people running scared and witnesses have been threatened and so on.

I would say to you read about it and look into it.

However, you have only one agenda I'm guessing.

Well done

reply to post by blupblup


agenda? Yea, I am a shill. I am paid to be here to squash any conspiracy rumors.

Actually no, that isn't quite true. I don't have an "agenda" other than to discuss things that interest me.
Seeing how mob mentality works is an interesting exercise in social situations. Folks loose morals and intelligence to blindly jump onto the bandwagon with the biggest crowds. Congrats. hope you enjoy the ride.

I feel that if the men involved are masons, they are much more of a disgrace than ordinary men because they took an oath to be more than ordinary. My initial post goes along with the other ones I have posted here. Let the facts come out BEFORE EVERYONE ACTS LIKE AN IDIOT AND STARTS CALLING FOR THE HEADS OF ALL FREEMASONS!

You would never use the Sun as a source, unless.............it backed your pre-conceived notions.

Originally posted by network dude
Seeing how mob mentality works is an interesting exercise in social situations. Folks loose morals and intelligence to blindly jump onto the bandwagon with the biggest crowds. Congrats. hope you enjoy the ride.

There is nobody in the UK media talking about this other than that ONE report on Channel 4 news.
The general public have no idea what was said on that news report.

The only bandwagon is the usual "let's watch X-Factor and ignore the real world" mentality that the population has.

I feel that if the men involved are masons, they are much more of a disgrace than ordinary men because they took an oath to be more than ordinary. My initial post goes along with the other ones I have posted here. Let the facts come out BEFORE EVERYONE ACTS LIKE AN IDIOT AND STARTS CALLING FOR THE HEADS OF ALL FREEMASONS!

You would never use the Sun as a source, unless.............it backed your pre-conceived notions.

Have you read this thread at all?
Are you being purposely ignorant?

I have said NOWHERE in this thread that there is a masonic conspiracy or that I believe masons are evil or we should round them up.

You're using me to spout off at other people.

I have no preconceived notions at all.... I have made that point clear throughout...

Your agenda, as I alluded to, is the defence of masons and anyone saying anything about them.

I'm sure you masons get a hard time on ATS and people often insult you and so on.. I have done no such thing and have never been in these threads... so not sure what your problem is really?

Originally posted by blupblup
Have you read this thread at all?
Are you being purposely ignorant?

Nope, it just comes natural.

Perhaps you missed the parts in the thread where it was explained that Saville wasn't a mason and it was even explained why he couldn't be one. Even if a tabloid says otherwise. And my response was to question why you personally would never use a rag tabloid as a source except when it fits nicely with the thread title, after you claimed you usually wouldn't do such a thing.

Yes, we get slung around the mud quite often and it usually isn't a big deal. religious nutters spouting Bible quotes damning me to hell is the norm. But lumping my organization in with Child abuse will get my attention, as I am sure it would you, should you have an identifiable group.

I am hoping like hell that nobody involved is a brother mason. And in doing so, I will try to keep the allegations on the truthful side as far as I know them. Sorry to make you feel that way, but as I said, this isn't the way justice is supposed to work, and children should never be harmed.

Originally posted by blupblup
But then Murdoch is pissed off.... he lost a paper, got humiliated.

You really, really didn’t want to get me started on Murdoch. The mere mention of his name is a sure fire means to induce in me a kniption fit.

Murdoch was not humiliated, he was caught. For him to have been humiliated is to suggest that the man has any morals at all.

Originally posted by blupblup
There is some kind of "war" going on... things are being leaked.

Yes, I agree that there is a war going on, but I disagree strongly that the Sun has anything of substance to ‘leak’, if it did, it would have profited by that information long before this story broke. Go back to the coverage from the Sun of Saville’s death. They could not have crawled any further up the guy’s bottom. Had they had any information at all, to the contrary, of what a wonderful man he was, who did such a lot of great work for charity, they would have inserted those allegation in there then. They did not. They have nothing.

Go back and read the article that you linked to...the whole piece is a dig at the Guardian. The Yorkshire Ripper reads the Guardian, therefore the Guardian is the paper of choice for the sick and perverted. It is remedial level stuff, aimed at the lowest common denominator, those completely bereft of independent thought. And, it works for them.

Murdoch has consistently shown that he can get away with printing lies, he is not brought to book for it. His minions may get their wrists slapped, but Murdoch is able to hide behind his bank roll and walk away unscathed. He is, to his own mind definitely, untouchable, and perhaps literally. Go down Anfield one Saturday with a copy of the Sun tucked under your arm and see just how quickly you can get the # kicked out of you. We should ALL follow Liverpool’s example, and see Murdoch for the dirty, lying bastard that he is. The victims of Hillsborough know, and they also know that Murdoch and his minions never, ever retract their lies, let alone apologise for all the hurt and damage that those lies cause. He is, was and until he is stopped, be lower than the low, and I for one wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire.

Originally posted by blupblup
Murdoch was embarrassed publicly in the UK and was "scrutinised" in the Leveson Inquiry.
In all the time Murdoch's papers were hacking phones, I'm pretty sure Murdoch and the Journo's learned a thing or two... A thing or two that they now have over certain people.

Murdoch’s monkeys did not tap the phones of people in the name of ‘truth’, they did it in the name of sensationalism. What truth did they expect to obtain from the private conversations of the parents of murdered little girls? Sara Payne’s family, Millie Dowler’s?

The guy from whom these people bought that information from, was willing to plant coc aine on an innocent woman, so that her ex-husband could gain custody of their child. What sort of people are these? Do you really want to know any truth that these people can supply? I don’t. I want none of it.

Murdoch, thought, perhaps rightly so, that he could buy the government of this country. He said as much openly, and that irked a lot of people. He has shown himself to have no respect for due process, or for the right to privacy of people right across the social strata. I have little time for the Daily Mail, and for it’s owner Lord Rothmere, but Rothmere is one of those who would like to take down Murdoch. The trade unions in this country too, would like to see Murdoch taken down. He smashed the printers union, and his support of Thatcher’s government during the miner’s strike helped set in motion not only the closure of the mines, but also the privatisation of this country’s utilities and natural resources. He was integral to that whole process, and helped generate the popular support and disseminate Thatcherite propaganda that enabled that debacle to take place. We will be picking up the pieces of that for many, many years to come.

Murdoch’s motivation therefore, in pretending to have inside information as to who protected Saville is manifold. It deflects attention away from his own slanderous and libellous, not to mention downright, criminal activities, and, in the minds of the mindless masses, it aims that aggression at his competitors, like the BBC and the Guardian. Those that actually do possess some ethics of old school journalism.

The BBC clearly #ed up. Saville clearly abused his power and position to have sex with girls, many of whom were underage, and otherwise vulnerable. But, it seems to me, that it is being blown out of all proportion. Whether that is to besmirch the name of the BBC, and by default, the government that would not allow itself to be bought and bullied by Murdoch’s power and influence, or whether that is to deflect our attention away from more pressing news. I don’t know. What I do know, is that Murdoch and his arse-wipe of a rag, wouldn’t know the truth it came and slapped them in the face.

I am much, much more concerned about the false hope that is being given to those who suffered abuse within the care system, and for those who are still waiting for answers. Such as those who were victimised at Bryn Estyn. How much more can these men take? There have already been 12-13 suicides as a consequence of that abuse, and according to the clip of the radio interview, those men who have so far survived, have still not received the counselling that they were promised. I think that the real story lies not with Saville and his cronies but with what happened to those boys, and countless others who were failed by the care system. They, unlike the vast majority of Saville’s victims, were the responsibility of the government, and they deserve a reinvestigation and a thorough inquiry as to why the abuse that occurred outside of the home was not deemed to be ‘in the public interest’. I am the public and I for one am bloody interested.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
He smashed the printers union, and his support of Thatcher’s government during the miner’s strike helped set in motion not only the closure of the mines, but also the nationalisation of this country’s utilities and natural resources. He was integral to that whole process, and helped generate the popular support and disseminate Thatcherite propaganda that enabled that debacle to take place. We will be picking up the pieces of that for many, many years to come.

Obviously, where I have written 'nationalisation', it should read 'privatisation'...

I have allegedly exceeded the four hour edit period...I haven't...but either way, I am very tired and ill, which results in stupid errors...but the web site is in greater error, and is ultimately wrong, not me...I am being denied the right to rectify my mistakes...NO FAIR!!!!!

Sort yourselves out!

Damn it...I spelt conniption wrong too...this is beyond the pale.

Oh wow, glad to see this thread on my list after a conversation first thing while drinking my first cup of coffee that got me worked up, on messenger.

Someone talked about how teen porn stars look like angels, but its all a deception, they're rotten to the bone.

I said, no they're not!

They are indeed angels. They are 10 0000 millions times greater than all the politicians and the royalty and the ones watching this even.

That children are abused by these vultures and some run away, and get into more abuse, given drug addictions on purpose by black ops infiltrating every area.

That my home, we don't have beds for my kids, one sleeps with me or on a foamie by the bed, but then he always did, he is scared to sleep upstairs, always likes to sleep by me. And so we'll wait till we can build a bunkbed for him and my second oldest. And my second oldest likes to sleep in the day.

But we have a foster kid who the Government would have sent to Vancouver where he had no support system or friends and would have ended up on the streets there. He told me that the British Columbian Government is running Child Porn in the Foster Care system.

And, I have alot of kids flopping at the house, its like a drop in center for kids in the system.

I wish we had an eco farm instead.

However, the whole system is corrupt. Masons won't rat out other masons, they won't find them guilty if they can avoid it either in Court.

Not just freemasons, but all those mystery schools with contracts. They don't rat each other out and will persecute innocents to not bring judgements against their Brothers in the Clan.

And the system is corrupt to the core, not just UK, but everywhere.

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Are you sure the masons and all those mystery schools are in on this?

I get that people are apprehensive about masonry since they don't know what we do, but my God, it's not that damn hard to figure out. Either ask someone you know and trust who happens to be a member, or go to a lodge and meet the folks there.

Fear of the unknown is one thing, but to automatically start associating the unknown with anything evil and bad is not smart business.

The most secret thing we do has been shown on TV. A third degree ceremony was filmed and shown on the History channel. The only other thing we could do is let you hide in our pocket during a meeting. And Oh, how I would love to have all the worry warts see what actually happens in a meeting.

Unity, I would bet that if you went to the lodge nearest you, and mentioned that you have several kids and not enough money to buy proper bedding for them, those evil masons would find a way to help you out.

It's what we do.

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
Murdoch’s motivation therefore, in pretending to have inside information as to who protected Saville is manifold. It deflects attention away from his own slanderous and libellous, not to mention downright, criminal activities, and, in the minds of the mindless masses, it aims that aggression at his competitors, like the BBC and the Guardian. Those that actually do possess some ethics of old school journalism.

Murdoch is as vile as anyone, you have no argument from me and in no way was I somehow saying he isn't.
It seems there is some major fallout from all of this though, the NOTW, phone hacking... savile.. etc etc
And whether anyone likes the parties involved or cares in anyway, does not change the fact that there is some pretty serious # going on regarding all of this.

Murdoch doesn't have to personally know anything...although I think he does, but his papers seem to be dropping little bits and pieces here and there.

I do like the Guardian and agree that the BBC have some decent documentaries.. but would not say that overall they are ethical journalists at all.

BBC are not to be trusted IMO.

The BBC clearly #ed up. Saville clearly abused his power and position to have sex with girls, many of whom were underage, and otherwise vulnerable. But, it seems to me, that it is being blown out of all proportion. Whether that is to besmirch the name of the BBC, and by default, the government that would not allow itself to be bought and bullied by Murdoch’s power and influence, or whether that is to deflect our attention away from more pressing news. I don’t know. What I do know, is that Murdoch and his arse-wipe of a rag, wouldn’t know the truth it came and slapped them in the face

Well this is the thing, WHY is it like this? Why are people talking about the end of the BBC?
It's absolutely unbelievable.

BBC did not mention Lord McAlpine's name yet they paid him out faster than you you can say "probably guilty"
and Steve Messham was told by POLICE that the man in the photo he was show WAS Lord McAlpine?

So something is not right.


Like I said, I agree that the sun is a despicable paper and as a Liverpool fan, what they did after the Hillsborough disaster and their smearing and lies about our fans... well, it's just disgusting, never bought the sun and never will.

But right now, we're living in some interesting times.... people waiting to reveal their hand, a lot of plays being made.. info will come from everywhere I would imagine.

Originally posted by blupblup
Murdoch doesn't have to personally know anything...although I think he does, but his papers seem to be dropping little bits and pieces here and there.

It is called 'dramatic license'...that's entertainment! And, as a case in point, you are proving just how effective it is.

Originally posted by blupblup
I do like the Guardian and agree that the BBC have some decent documentaries.. but would not say that overall they are ethical journalists at all.

I never said that they were ethical, simply that they actually engage in the leg work of journalism, rather than paying secondary parties, so-called, 'private investigators' for information.

Originally posted by blupblup
BBC are not to be trusted IMO.

I don't trust any news source. If something interests me, I look into it myself, and draw my own conclusions. Funnily enough, I don't read any newspapers, or watch TV news (apart from Newsround on occasion), and yet I am fully appraised of what is going on in the world. But more significantly, I am fully aware of what is going on right on my doorstep...without unnecessary distractions.

Originally posted by blupblup
Well this is the thing, WHY is it like this? Why are people talking about the end of the BBC?
It's absolutely unbelievable.

Because it gets people excited...it reels them in...again...That's Entertainment...and that is all any of this is. Bums on seats, hands in pockets forking out for the next gory installment...

Originally posted by blupblup
BBC did not mention Lord McAlpine's name yet they paid him out faster than you you can say "probably guilty"
and Steve Messham was told by POLICE that the man in the photo he was show WAS Lord McAlpine?

Most likely because had they not, and the matter was not settled immediately, it would have cost them a darn sight more...it is called damage limitation. They messed up...and that went viral...such are the times. They nipped it in the bud, as far as their liability was concerned and washed their hands of it.

Originally posted by blupblup
But right now, we're living in some interesting times.... people waiting to reveal their hand, a lot of plays being made.. info will come from everywhere I would imagine.

If you're interested, then it is obviously working.

My point wasn't about bums on seats, it was about how the blame has been shifted onto the BBC entirely, and now somehow, the BBC may cease to exist because they DIDN'T falsely accuse someone?

Do you not see how absurd that is?

Nobody is talking about the original scandal, as soon as Tom Watson stood up in Parliament and mentioned a Paedophile ring that went right to the doorstep of Number 10, things started to drastically change.
As soon as Freemasons were mentioned, we had the main witness discredited on the MSM and the man he accused became the victim.

We had the PM warning people about lists on the internet.. and telling people to go to the police.... the same police who destroyed evidence and covered up abuse in the first place.

The whole thing stinks.

There is so much more to this than meets the eye and this goes deeper and wider than people imagine.
But there's very little interest on ATS... shame really.

Anyway, this thread has run its course and we're not really saying anything any more.

Cheers anyway.