Message to GOP care of Rachel Maddow

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
The Daily Show on election night put up a fake projection:

"Mitt Romney is projected to win the Confederacy"

I had a good laugh on that one! I hope Rush explodes but alas I know he won't...the money is too good!

Yep Rush was praying for an Obama win and I wouldn't doubt he cast his vote for him. He makes more money that way.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
She accuses others of being deluded yet believes the 2 party system is debate between "best ideas"? Wake up Rachel, the big banks run both sides and they are the only winners in this election.
I know Obama can do no wrong in her eyes but jeez......
I used to admire her spunk but now she's just another talking head that loves berating the "other" side.

I would go point by point on her list but I'm sure someone else already has.
"the deficit hasn't gone up"
What was that about real math?

Eta: I would hardly call 53% or whatever the margin was a mandate.

edit on 9-11-2012 by Asktheanimals because: added comment

The deficit hasn't gone up. Learn the difference between "deficit" and "debt."

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by grandmakdw

 

Name calling? I saw her expose a lot of lies that the republican party was spreading so they could be elected. Lies that had no factual basis but they were ACTUALLY running on. Is it really that bad that she's saying the republican party has to get their # together? I mean seriously they clearly needed a wake up call and this should be it. Hopefully. An I'm saying the election is the wake up, not this video although she repeatedly hits the nail on the head.

Here is your wake up call...
The Obama team adopted a "kill Romney" plan and executed it...

reply to post by grandmakdw


I didn't see any name calling in the OP...

Not sure what the difference is between Mittens and Obama is. They are both neo-cons and members of the two-headed, one party system.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Unfortunatly those things are true. Even Michelle admitted Barack's "home country of Kenya" in one of her campaign talks. His Marxist roots were exposed well before the 08 election. People turned their heads, and why? He represented something to them they thought it wouldn't matter what his true agenda was. When he said "Spread the wealth" people knew what he was saying, at least the people who know what socialism is.

Well thanks for being honest. At least I know to not take you serious any longer.

Whether he is officially a traitor remains to be seen....if it can be shown that he saw what went down in Benghazi and did nothing....if it can be shown that he made the call to stand down....those are impeachable offenses.

Exactly how would those be impeachable offenses?

The nearest strike force was something like 4 hours away, the closest drone in the area was an unarmed drone that was just sent to observe. There is no proof of a "stand down" order, in fact there is a direct contradiction from a senior intelligence official who talked to multiple reporters.

There is nothing impeachable about having to make a very difficult military command decision.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

And Democrats didn't make this election about contraception and abortion, the GOP did.

reply to post by xedocodex

 

That's really debatable, considering the Obama attack on the freedom of Catholic institutions involving testimony from Sandra Fluke and then inviting Sandra to be a key speaker at the Democratic convention.

Who made Sandra Fluke an issue?

Who talked about her for weeks and weeks calling her a slut and a whore?

Deny it all you want, but it was the GOP that made this an issue.

reply to post by Dreine


Had the stellar brain-trust that currently runs the GOP came up with anything even approaching this level of brilliance for Mitten's campaign, we'd be talking about how Madkow's head exploded when Romney won, rather than her devisive rant in the OP. The only thing I'd add to your list is a re-affirmation of the 10th amendment. Everyone conveniently forgets that little gem, and it's key to keeping foggy bottom in the swamp where it belongs.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

I would go point by point on her list but I'm sure someone else already has.
"the deficit hasn't gone up"
What was that about real math?

I would like to see you go point by point. And yes, someone else already tried to do that, and I responded point by point to them showing them they were wrong, and they just completely ignored it.

And yes, the deficit has gone down. This is one of those facts that the Right Wing so often lies about, most people thinks it is true. But here are some facts for you.

www.davemanuel.com...

And please note, the 2009 FY deficit is Bush's last budget passed in 2008, that is how budgets work.

I would like to note one thing.

It seems like the GOP is at least listening to Maddow about one thing, Immigration.

Here are some quotes from Hannity and Boehner

news.yahoo.com...

Hannity

We've gotta get rid of the immigration issue altogether. It's simple for me to fix it. I think you control the border first, you create a pathway for those people that are here, you don't say you gotta go home. And that is a position that I've evolved on. Because you know what--it just--it's gotta be resolved. The majority of people here--if some people have criminal records you can send' em home--but if people are here, law-abiding, participating, four years, their kids are born here...first secure the border, pathway to citizenship...then it's done. But you can't let the problem continue. It's gotta stop.

Boehner

"This issue has been around far too long," Boehner said. "A comprehensive approach is long overdue, and I'm confident that the president, myself, others can find the common ground to take care of this issue once and for all."

That is a complete 180 from those two. They realize that their militant views on illegal immigrants who are hard working good people has backfired on them big time. The problem is, they are going to piss off a lot of their Republican supporters.

Republicans are in a tough spot, they know that the Latino vote was a huge factor in their loss. But they are also going to lose voters by taking a logical stance on immigration.

reply to post by xedocodex


Yes the GOP is finally comming looking to scale back the intolerance...for Latino's...because they can't win another election without them. Anyone who fails to mobilize a large enough voting block? Ef em.

See that is the fundemetal difference...those who build an platform around fairness and equallity...and those who build a platform around what will get them elected.

Two very different motivations IMO.

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by redtic

 

Way to rip the nation further in two!

A fantastic example of name calling and belittling that hurts our nation so deeply it may never heal from the rift.

Keep it up OP and keep encouraging the split of our nation in two because of intolerance and a non-acceptance of people who hold different ideas than yours.

Way to heal the nation, name calling, ridiculing etc.

How do you respond when a person calls you stupid, ridicules you and puts you down and then tells you to accept their ideas as the correct one? Think about it OP.

There is no way to heal the rift caused by over 20 years of leftist bigotry, hatred and intolerance. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans who said those stupid things where closet progressives, but no matter. Where there was once one America there is now two.

reply to post by xedocodex

And yes, the deficit has gone down. This is one of those facts that the Right Wing so often lies about, most people thinks it is true. But here are some facts for you.

www.davemanuel.com...

According to the CBO, your link's numbers are wrong.

The CBO says there was still a $1.3 Trillion deficit for 2011 and a $1.1 Trillion deficit for 2012.

And while the current deficit may be slightly down, the CBO shows that spending is still between $3.5 Trillion - $3.6 Trillion every year.

Outlays declined by 1.7 percent in 2012. Federal spending has totaled between $3.5 trillion and $3.6 trillion in each of the past four years, and spending in 2012 was just slightly more than in 2009. As a share of GDP, outlays fell in 2012—to 22.8 percent, which was less than the 24.1 percent recorded in 2011 and 2010 but still above the 40-year average of 21.0 percent.

www.cbo.gov...

Ok I have to chime in here....

As an Aussie, an "outsider" if you will, I look at American politics as a cluster# of lies, deceit and showmanship. The last 4 years have been particularly bad (and that's saying something after the Bush Disaster). The Republicans have gone out of their way to stymie, squash and belittle anything that Obama did - in a very callous and selfish manner - not even trying to hide the fact they were doing so. You want to talk about a divided nation? The Republicans took an already devisive system and amped it up with some nuclear power.

The scary thing is I see other countries politics going the same way, as a direct result of seeing the Americans do it. My Aussie government has turned into a room full of clowns, and I personally blame American politics for giving them that idea.

The saddest thing yet is the American people have spoken and said NO MORE. Enough is enough, let get down to healing this country - and now the bloody Republicans are at it again! But even more so they are turning it on its head and trying to blame the Democrats for causing this division!

It's mad, completely and utterly bonkers. I'm seriously starting to wonder if Republicans and their supporters are a few fries short of a happy meal.

reply to post by Deetermined


I'm not sure why you think the numbers in the link are wrong, they look to match up exactly.

My source:

2012 deficit - $1100 Billion Deficit = 1.1 Trillion Deficit

2011 deficit - $1299 Billion Deficit = 1.299 Trillion Deficit ~ 1.3 Trillion Deficit

So I don't get where you are saying the numbers are wrong, they are just written in a different form.

It still shows, that the deficit is shrinking, not by much, but it is shrinking.

reply to post by HappyBunny


You're right, we're not bleeding money quite as fast as we were.
that makes me feel better.
Why is it if you criticize Obama people automatically assume you're a Republican?
I'm an American and right now it seems downright treasonous to me to support either mob, er party.

reply to post by xedocodex


Sorry about that. I must have been reflecting on 2013's projected deficit when I wrote my reply.

By the way, 2013's projected deficit (of $900 Billion) is a total joke. That number was based on projected revenues being $2.9 Trillion when we didn't even hit $2.5 Trillion for 2012. In fact, we haven't even had a total increase in revenue of $400 Billion for 2009 - 2012 combined altogether. Retiring all of the current tax breaks right now wouldn't even make up that difference.

reply to post by grandmakdw


Its actually people like you grandma who are ripping this country in two. The republican agendy is clearly aimed at selfish people who dont value equal rights for everyone. What really hurts us is when naive people like you act offended when the truth is presented to them like Rachel is saying. The "right" act like little bullies in the school yard. They only care about their elite friends, speak very generally never giving real reasons and ways of fixing what they say they will, put down everyone else while never pointing the finger at themselves, when they are called out on their mistakes they never admit it, it must be someone elses problem for not agreeing with them, and whenever neccessry and more often then not lie about facts and twist the truth for again their own benefit. The democrats arent exactly flawless, but come on. When u have a party that cant accept basic human rights for all people and constantly push the facts aside for their version of things you have somethng vile, corrupt and evil. Its sad that the average person around the world can easily see the heinous actions of the America republicans and denounce them. But supposedly smarter, more civilized Americans cant even tell when theyre being lied to and manipulated in their own backyard. It is people like this who represent the crumbling of America and why the rest of the world still dislikes us.Its not that theyre jealous, its that they see what we have in this country and we the people take it for granted and let the politicians do as they please. Too many of us follow the lies, can u imagine what our founding fathers would say about America today. So, please grandma wake up and stop doing as your told and start really seeing the truth. Whats worse, the fool leads? Or the fool who follows him?

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

You're right, we're not bleeding money quite as fast as we were.
that makes me feel better.
Why is it if you criticize Obama people automatically assume you're a Republican?
I'm an American and right now it seems downright treasonous to me to support either mob, er party.

Er, I didn't assume you were a Republican. Where did you get that from?

reply to post by Deetermined


I agree that the 2013 projected deficit on there is a joke.