Why do we condemn the nazis when America has committed equally evil deeds?

So the thread is just a question

The US has committed heinous crimes against the native americans

the US has committed heinous crimes against their own brothers and country men during the civil war

and these are just two examples

The nazis tried to destroy all the jews

The US tried to kill all the natives.


What the hell makes us so much better from the rest of the world?

Because we're awesome.
Plus, we have Walmart and Target.
And all the toilet paper you could ever need.

If you hate America, you are free to leave here.
Y'know, 'cuz you're totally free to do that kinda stuff here.

Originally posted by stupid girl
Because we're awesome.
Plus, we have Walmart and Target.
And all the toilet paper you could ever need.

You know your absolutely right on point there.

oh and btw This isnt meant to be an america bashing thread more a political ptb bashing thread

Nothing, you just posses more self-righteous folks who feel there is no problem with killing the natives.

Think of Apartheid - white minority rule - they basically did what you are doing with the natives now. They squeezed them all into little reservations and even gave them an entire country. That was seen as wrong and was criticized by Americans as being inhumane. But how is your own treatment of the natives any different?

Double standards if you ask me.

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California's American Eugenics Group was active from the 20s and 30s on, and actually inspired Hitler.
In fact, people there were so confident in Hitler's success that they even built him a posh bunker down there.

The Rockefeller institute not only pushes but was the originator of many Nazi practices and agendas.
General Electric and IBM too, you knew that already, though.

I am glad you are asking that question and are curious about the answer, OP.
What happened to the Native Americans was very sad. As someone descended from NA and white marriage, I can only say, keep trying to survive, no matter what.

Hitler, although he let a few of his friends live quite a while longer than the rest of the Jews, was wholeheartedly exterminating the entire family -- grandparents, women, children. Can you imagine if there had been zero native Americans with whom to interbreed? In Hitler's Germany, that would have been the goal.

Although Project Paperclip was evil and Roswell was a bad joke to hide the theft of Nazi tech, most people remain oblivious to the fact that America was the file, leash, and kennel for the teeth and nails and hair of the Nazi Dog!

p.s. nazism is when the state gets into the part of your head and heart reserved for God and Family~~

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I'm no Nazi sympathizer but they never dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian populations. The Nazis are despicable for the crimes they committed, but they were just doing their jobs right? Well the American military are just doing their jobs too.

I wonder if the Nazis used depleted uranium munitions?

And the US firebombed, burning alive, millions Japanese civilians.



Then nuked.

Fire bombed German civilians too.

Where have you been? The world does condemn the US for these atrocities. This website has evidence of this.

Also, it's not a pissing contest. /end

Genocide is genocide. Happens all throughout history all over the world. My guess as to why we get a pass here in the US is because if we do admit the Nazis weren't realy any worse than we are, then it weakens Israel's position of 'victim'. A position which they're still using to their advantage.

The extermination of Native Americans was actually quite a bit more thorough I believe.

Originally posted by MDDoxs
Where have you been? The world does condemn the US for these atrocities. This website has evidence of this.

Also, it's not a pissing contest. /end

Im not making it into a pissing contest just wondering why the US feels its so much better than the rest of the world when every human civilization has a dark past

Im sick of the overly patriotic, blind fools who are twisted to the point that they feel the US is the holy messiah in the history books

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Thanks for not being as lazy as me lol

I guess I just made the post assuming everyone on this site had some background info I should have made a better effort

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The US has committed heinous crimes against the native americans

It's over. History is replete with the blood of the conquerors and the conquered. We're supposed to learn from History not bash a nation with it. The Germans had the Nazi party and they did a hell of a lot of atrocious things to their fellow man in the name of a German Master Race. Is that the Germany of today? No.

the US has committed heinous crimes against their own brothers and country men during the civil war

Sure did. But that is a seriously out of context way of putting it don't you think?

The nazis tried to destroy all the jews

And gays, disabled, mentally ill. They experimented on people, especially the Jews, mentally ill and POWs.

The US tried to kill all the natives.

Indeed.

What the hell makes us so much better from the rest of the world?

In the context of warfare no one nation is better than the rest. War is a terrible yet necessary evil that human being engage in. Sometimes things go so far that it shocks the conscience from across the ages. We have learned from it. And continue to.

Originally posted by projectvxn
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the US has committed heinous crimes against their own brothers and country men during the civil war

Sure did. But that is a seriously out of context way of putting it don't you think?

I dont find it out of context in the least but I guess it depends on which version of history you believe

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It comes down to perspective.

The West looks upon itself from the inside out, only seeing the internal parts of the structure that it chooses to gaze upon at any one time.

The West looks at Nazi Germany from an outside perspective, witnessing the whole combined and judging from an outside perspective.

When you place the two side by side, the West (or just the US if you like) and Nazi Germany, and look at them both from without, ie: objectively, you see a remarkably similar picture.

The problem is that so many identify themselves AS their nation, that they will never attempt to look at their nation (an extension of themselves (from their personal perspective)) in an objective light lest they find something they disagree with, as in finding a flaw in their nation, they find a flaw in themselves, thus turning the situation into an introspective event in which they must come to terms and face their own demons.

That, is something *most* people will never do willingly, at least in this lifetime. Facing ones own shadow is extremely difficult to do, and involves not so much pain, but usually a pretty devastating ego (false self) shattering when done correctly.

Thus, for those who identify themselves as extensions of their nation (or vice versa), and who fear their shadows, there is only one possible course of action: the adoption of a biased and skewed perspective that redeems the individual ego while ignoring the fact that the actions done to redeem the individual ego, are also quite similar in nature to the actions taken by those that it, the ego, condemns.

Originally posted by stupid girl

If you hate America, you are free to leave here.
Y'know, 'cuz you're totally free to do that kinda stuff here.

This is a great example of an ego defense mechanism. Instead of facing the quandary and arguing rationally, in the face of facing their shadows they simply exclaim: "Leave then if you dont like it!", without ever actually refuting the points raised. It shuts down conversation, and avoids raising those points that the ego cannot bear to witness while maintaining its current form. Pure ego defense of those who associate themselves heavily with the nation they live in, and see it as an extension of their own personal being.

And that, is the problem, and the answer to the question posed in this threads title.

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Why don't you go ahead and give me your version then.

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Let's not forget that the United States embraced the Nazis after the war and invited them to become part of American society in exchange for their skill and knowledge.

Operation Paperclip

Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program used to recruit the scientists of Nazi Germany for employment by the United States in the aftermath of World War II (1939–45). It was conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), and in the context of the burgeoning Soviet–American Cold War (1945–91). One purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific knowledge and expertise to the USSR,[1] the UK,[2] and (divided) Germany itself.

Although the JIOA's recruitment of German scientists began after the European Allied victory (8 May 1945), US President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. Truman's order expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism". However, those restrictions would have rendered ineligible most of the leading scientists the JIOA had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientists Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a "menace to the security of the Allied Forces".

To circumvent President Truman's anti-Nazi order and the Allied Potsdam and Yalta agreements, the JIOA worked independently to create false employment and political biographies for the scientists. The JIOA also expunged from the public record the scientists' Nazi Party memberships and régime affiliations. Once "bleached" of their Nazism, the US government granted the scientists security clearance to work in the United States. Paperclip, the project's operational name, derived from the paperclips used to attach the scientists' new political personae to their "US Government Scientist" JIOA personnel files.[3]

These lucky Nazis managed to escape the Nuremberg Trials and also avoided Simon Wiesenthal's post WW2 witch hunt.

Meanwhile innocent people like John Demjanjuk are used as scapegoats.

Let's not forget Prescott Bush who helped fund the Nazi war machine:

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

www.guardian.co.uk...

America became the Nazis. It's sad but true.

Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden, NYC, 1938

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
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I'm no Nazi sympathizer but they never dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian populations. The Nazis are despicable for the crimes they committed, but they were just doing their jobs right? Well the American military are just doing their jobs too.

I wonder if the Nazis used depleted uranium munitions?

To be fair that was a matter of timing. Do you doubt for a second that the Nazis would not have hesitated to nuke London if they had one they could put on a V2?

Use of the Hiroshima bomb is defensible (if horrible), use of the Nagasaki bomb less so.

No nation has clean hands. If you look for evil human actions you will find examples of it everywhere.

None of that made stopping the Nazis any less necessary in the 1940s. Pardoning present evil on the basis of past evils is flawed thinking. The trick is to learn not to make the same mistakes.

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I understand that Indians were killed in the United States, and they were treated in ways that no human beings should have been treated. But I never understand it when people complain that they were wiped out by the United States. At the time, most of the United States was made up of white European settlers. It always appears like these Indian massacre was a modern event.
Some also forget Historians estimate that the plague and other diseases killed at least 90 percent of the native population.

SOURCE

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No one cares for the natives.
Jews are gods people however.
And im being sarcastic btw.

Originally posted by projectvxn
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Why don't you go ahead and give me your version then.

Without going into a whole lot of depth the gov used slavery as a tool to squash opposition and steal the power from the sovereign states. Slavery would have died out on its own before too much longer and the gov used it as an excuse to gain a foothold on the crown of the US. But to really get into it would take too long so...

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It is possible to "condemn the Nazis" while recognizing that we have and do often fail our own ideals and without thinking "we are so much better than the rest"