What drives some to make the assumption that the U.S. is NOT as Militarily Advanced as it truly is?

reply to post by Pervius


Agreed, I have heard the horror stories about the destruction of Guam's ecology by the U.S. military presence as well.

My point was solely that it was a maximum effort by the USAF,Navy and Marine aviation and that it crippled North Vietnam's air defense network and infrastructure in very short order.

I think that it can be successfully argued that in light of Nixon's reluctance to Kissinger's efforts to settle the conflict diplomatically before the election, the whole Christmas bombing campaign may have been unnecessary.

It is clear that the unified Socialist Republic of Vietnam have done reasonably well for themselves and in the end did not pose the threat feared by the west.

Fortunately, we are both looking towards the future rather than the past and developing solid relations with Vietnam again. The U.S. Navy is actually negotiating the use of port facilities in Cam Ranh Bay which is a huge step for both of our nations.

Of interest is that Ho Chi Min worked closely with the OSS fighting the Imperial Japanese in WWII and that the U.S. originally supported a single state.

France intervened post WWII and insisted on a split state to protect their colonial investment and were supported by Britain who wished to retain their colonial holdings in India forcing a partitioned Vietnam.

The U.S. was forced to go along with her allies wishes and the stage was set...

Originally posted by 13th Zodiac
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Oh gee, I don't know maybe Hollywoods excesive use of CGI. Plus the fact that it has had it's ass handed to it for 10 years plus, by malnurished goat herders with stick's and stone's. With-out allied help you would be even worse off. What does it matter anyway,wars suck.What really is the point you are trying to make here ?

The point I am making is that there are people on this board that do not understand that if the U.S. Military is allowed to properly execute their WAR PLAN as the U.S. Military has a war plan for every scenario...and this plan not be interfered with by POLITICIANS or POLITICS in general...we would not get bogged down in U.S. Military Soldiers having to act as Policemen rather than be used as Warriors as they are meant to be.

As for your statement of Having Our Ass handed to us...PLEASE! More people die in the U.S. in a Month by slipping in the Bathroom that have died in BOTH WARS over a decade long! Split Infinity

reply to post by pheonix358


We have these things called satellites,HUMINT and aircraft patrolling going on.We took out the army that kicked their ass.I think we got this.
The maniacs will loose their place if we keep talking to the people BEHIND the government,unless said prior assets detect the wrong progress being made.

I've seen an order, regarding that area over in the middle east and Iran. Well, "heard" one is more accurate, for a warplane to drop a line of carpet bombs off in the water there. It was to be between the ships out there on the water and where landfall is.

I have no singular idea why this would we be done, or the reasoning behind it, but it was discussed for the minute I walked in. I have never mentioned it here on ATS or anywhere, because it was just one of those things where you walked into the room mid-conversation between officers. Anyone have thoughts on this? What stage or reasoning there might be behind why this tactic/scenario would occur? It was not a stealth mission, I didn't believe, because they spoke about daylight hours and using just a typical jet..

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by peck420

 

Yes...and No. The People of the U.S. do not want WAR. But the World is a DANGEROUS PLACE! There is occasion now and then that the leash should come off.
Split Infinity

Are you really that gullible? Are you so blind to your
patrioism that you honestly believe that? In this day
and age, war is not about saving lives, its about money.

Do you really think that your, and my government went
into iraq to save those "poor people" ? Funny how documents
show that even before 9/11 they were talking about the iraq
oil. How many people have lost their lives to fill the pockets
of the rich and powerful?

Your theory would be great if it was grounded in any truth.

China and Russia received the bulk of the Iraqi oil production contracts...

U.S. Companies Shut Out as Iraq Auctions Its Oil Fields

Those who claim that the U.S. invaded Iraq in 2003 to get control of the country's giant oil reserves will be left scratching their heads by the results of last weekend's auction of Iraqi oil contracts:Not a single U.S. company secured a deal in the auction of contracts that will shape the Iraqi oil industry for the next couple of decades.

Two of the most lucrative of the multi-billion-dollar oil contracts went to two countries which bitterly opposed the U.S. invasion — Russia and China —while even Total Oil of France, which led the charge to deny international approval for the war at the U.N. Security Council in 2003, won a bigger stake than the Americans in the most recent auction.

"[The distribution of oil contracts] certainly answers the theory that the war was for the benefit of big U.S. oil interests," says Alex Munton, Middle East oil analyst for the energy consultancy Wood Mackenzie, whose clients include major U.S. companies. "That has not been demonstrated by what has happened this week."

Please continue letting us know who is gullible and brainwashed....

Originally posted by SoulVisions
I've seen an order, regarding that area over in the middle east and Iran. Well, "heard" one is more accurate, for a warplane to drop a line of carpet bombs off in the water there. It was to be between the ships out there on the water and where landfall is.

I have no singular idea why this would we be done, or the reasoning behind it, but it was discussed for the minute I walked in. I have never mentioned it here on ATS or anywhere, because it was just one of those things where you walked into the room mid-conversation between officers. Anyone have thoughts on this? What stage or reasoning there might be behind why this tactic/scenario would occur? It was not a stealth mission, I didn't believe, because they spoke about daylight hours and using just a typical jet..

Is it possibly something so simple as the aircraft declared an in flight emergency and needed a safe place to jettison its ordinance?

reply to post by newcovenant

You are right from looking at it as a One to One basis. But then again there are Many dept.of the U.S. Government just as there are many Small Businesses. Split Infinity

reply to post by RAY1990

Ray...what ever you could imagine the level of Tech. the U.S. currently has...it is even more shockingly Advanced. The U.S. has Weaponry at such High Levels of Tech. that some of this weaponry has classifications and doctrine as to why, when and under what circumstances some Weaponry would be used.

There is also what is known as LAST USE WEAPONS which are only meant to be used in the case of a Catastrophic Breakdown in the U.S. Military's ability to protect the U.S. Mainland. I would NOT want to be the Country on the receiving end of such weaponry. Split Infinity

Originally posted by darkstar57
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

likely that the planes were under remote control, produced by dov zakheims company, CEO of SPC International (System Planning Corporation International) and maker of terminal guidance systems for cruise missles. no pilot needed

I am from Mass. home of Logan Airport. I knew some of the people that died in those planes.
They were not empty. Split Infinity

Originally posted by darkstar57
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

The FEL free electron laser system was proposed in 2009.. the problem with speed of light beam weapons is coherence. i.e., send out a beam, it wants to expand in 360 degrees, except for beams that do not interact much with matter... e.g., light beams. electrons like to interact, and so begin deflecting as soon as it leaves the gun.

doubt that it is operational outside the lab.

Google Free Electron Laser CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford. This is the New Ford Class Carrier which will have a Free Electron Laser active aboard her when she is put to sea in 2015. There are currently several operational FEL's stationed at sea and on land. Split Infinity

Originally posted by LostPassword
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Hey SplitInfinity Listen Up

The son of your friend DIED because he bought the BS and went with a sniper to another
country to kill people. You are so smart yet you don't know 9/11 is an inside job set up
to send young men to die conquering other countries.

You take pride in US military superiority yet you are not smart enough to realize that
military superiority has cost the US so much we are in UN-PAYABLE debt

Honest to God people with selective intelligence like you bring out the worst in me.

THE WORST IN ME.

edit on 3-11-2012 by LostPassword because: (no reason given)

Do me a favor and please do not Dishonor my friends SON'S MEMORY. You can say anything you like to me but leave him out of it. 9/11 WAS NOT an inside job. I KNOW this with 100% certainty and I am a person who WOULD KNOW if it was an inside job. This is because I am on the INSIDE...and I am stuck here.
Split Infinity

This kind of sums it up. all that spending is working out well for the U.S. Lucky you have all that advanced tech for your money

reply to post by SplitInfinity


lol your so on the inside/ in the loop, that you spend your time arguing with people on the internet. My guess is you are just as average as me.

reply to post by milominderbinder

Your reply is correct in it's History but in the cases of issue that involve the U.S. Military and I have a unique perspective of that war as well as the U.S. Air Force's lack of a close support aircraft such as the A-10 or such POLITICAL BLUNDERS as not building the F-4 with a GUN as well as JOHNSON'S total and complete Micromanaging of the U.S. Military.

The current U.S. Military has developed several Direct Energy Weapons along with Targeting and Acquisition Satellites that are of such Power as well as their ability to be used with precision as well as use both in Offensive and Defensive ways that it will force a complete and total restructuring of U.S. Forces.

This is a case where our level of Tech. in Weaponry and Computers has created such a level of disparity that lessons in History do not apply as there has never been such a condition in World History where such a level of Disparity between Countries Military Capabilities have existed. Split Infinity

reply to post by SplitInfinity


How can you possibly think you are right and he is wrong??? pssst "he's on the inside" but shhh it's a secret.
This thread is getting quite silly

Originally posted by pheonix358
One little vial of a pathogen can destroy the US.

The reason Greece was never taken over by communists after WW2 was because the Greeks were fighting for their homeland and for their religion. They saw communists as godless people.

Iran will fight for their country and their religion. This is a huge advantage! Meanwhile many US soldiers are dissolutioned with their country.

The US made a mistake in leaving sanctions active for so long. Iran has had decades to build their own weapon systems. While I agree that the US is formidable, keep in mind that the west has no idea what Iran has. We also have no idea of Iran's capability in asymmetrical warfare. You can bet they have watched the Iraq and Afghanistan wars with interest.

You are also assuming that after the fall of the USSR, that Iran did not purchase tactile nukes on the black market. Using them on their borders or against battle groups would be interesting.

You have no idea what new weapons the US has. You also have no idea what weapons China , or Iran or Russia has. A radically new weapon may surprise the hell out of an attacking force.

Lastly, the industrial complex in America wants the US to lose battle groups and aircraft, preferably in record numbers! Then they can make many more billions in replacing them all.

Just one little vial with a decent pathogen, scary thought. It could already be within your borders!

P

I don't believe anybody is talking about a ground invasion of Iran, what would be the point? I would question the bit about large numbers of U.S. armed forces being disillusioned with the country. Some may disagree with current policies but as a whole everybody I know from my time who are still serving are highly motivated.

There is a reason that both the U.S and U.S.S.R. lost interest in pursuing biological weapons and it certainly wasn't due to morality.

There is a lot of information on the net but in a nutshell they are to finicky and unpredictable to be used as viable weapons.The best example is Japanese efforts to develop a super viriliant strain of bubonic plague and their tests of various delivery systems on the people of China.

There is a rumor that Iran bought a small number of functional weapons in the wake of the Soviet collapse in the 1990's.

Remember that nuclear weapons are not like conventional bombs that can be stored untended for years until needed, they have a shelf life and need to be maintained to remain viable.

KAHLILI: Iran already has nuclear weapons/Western intelligence has known it for years

In a second but parallel attempt to amass nuclear weapons, Iran turned to the former Soviet republics. When the Soviet Union dissolved in 1990, Iran coveted thousands of tactical nuclear warheads that had been dispersed in the former republics.

In the early 1990s, the CIA asked me to find an Iranian scientist who would testify that Iran had the bomb. The CIA had learned that Iranian intelligence agents were visiting nuclear installations throughout the former Soviet Union, with particular interest in Kazakhstan.

Kazakhstan, which had a significant portion of the Soviet arsenal and is predominately Muslim, was courted by Muslim Iran with offers of hundreds of millions of dollars for the bomb. Reports soon surfaced that three nuclear warheads were missing. This was corroborated by Russian Gen. Victor Samoilov, who handled the disarmament issues for the general staff. He admitted that the three were missing from Kazakhstan.

Meanwhile, Paul Muenstermann, then vice president of the German Federal Intelligence Service, said Iran had received two of the three nuclear warheads and medium-range nuclear delivery systems from Kazakhstan. It also was reported that Iran had purchased four 152 mm nuclear shells from the former Soviet Union, which were reportedly stolen and sold by former Red Army officers.

To make matters worse, several years later, Russian officials stated that when comparing documents in transferring nuclear weapons from Ukraine to Russia, there was a discrepancy of 250 nuclear weapons.

Last week, Mathew Nasuti, a former U.S. Air Force captain who was at one point hired by the State Department as an adviser to one of its provincial reconstruction teams in Iraq, said that in March 2008, during a briefing on Iran at the State Department, the department’s Middle East expert told the group that it was “common knowledge” that Iran had acquired tactical nuclear weapons from one or more of the former Soviet republics.

Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, an experienced intelligence officer and recipient of a Bronze Star, told me that his sources say Iran has two workable nuclear warheads.

Take it with a grain of salt but there it is.

reply to post by Cancerwarrior

I have a High School friend who is now a Lt. Colonel who was in both Desert Storm and the Invasion of Iraq and then went to Afghanistan. You remind me of him.

The reality is that you would not have the level of clearance necessary to know or have any understanding of what Weaponry is Operational but is also Black in it's nature. There is for instance a very Light Weight Woven Body Armor that is not standard issue that saved my life after I was shot multiple times at very close range.

The Material CATCHES a round in the same way a Chinese Finger Puzzle CATCHES a persons finger. It weighs less than 10 lbs and I and my Team use it for quick penetration of unfriendly territory. It is VERY EXPENSIVE and that is the most likely reason why it is not standard issue.

There are MANY things of this nature that is Very High Tech. but not standard issue. For an example that YOU can relate to...the Abrams Tank uses the Honeywell AGT1500 gas turbine engine. This makes a VERY LARGE IR Signature which also becomes a Very Large Target for any Heat Seeking Missiles.

A Method that was developed for the F/A-22's engines using Electromagnetic Fields of a type that are consistent with T. Townsend Browns work that dramatically reduces the IR Signature of the F/A-22 has been applied to also reduce the IR Signature of an Abrams Tank.

These are just a few examples of High Tech. that is not available or standard issue. Split Infinity

reply to post by Hijinx

You seem to have strong feelings on this issue. This is just a Debate. This is not a Crusade. The topic is very much directed at you. Split Infinity

reply to post by Trajan

A HISSY FIT? LOL! WOW! This Topic is DEFINITELY DIRECTED AT YOU!
Split Infinity

reply to post by macaronicaesar

I have no intention to get on a High Horse...this topic is asking a question...this is not something to get Personal over. If you would like to contribute fine but leave the School Yard antics out of you replies. Split Infinity