What drives some to make the assumption that the U.S. is NOT as Militarily Advanced as it truly is?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Then I started crunching the numbers and realized that given the amount of energy used and the way the FEL works as well as the temps. that are achieved...I realized that 1000 feet was actually a low ball number.

This is why I have said...the FEL is without a doubt the most capable and powerful weapon ever devised. Given proper electrical requirements...Beam Temps. are capable of reaching those of the Solar Core. At that high of a temp. 1000 feet of steel is NOTHING.

The energy's what you really look at. Temperatures aren't meaningful without sufficient energy. That said, do you know how much energy it would take to vaporize a piece of steel 1000 feet deep and, say, 6" across? I suspect not.

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Yea Yeah, your talking about "Black-Projects" like the Aurora, I read about that thing back in 93, (Russia also has PLENTY of active "Black-Projects" that have not been terminated after 91)

Anyways I'm talking about "Conventional" war-planes (F-14/15/16/18) and what the USAF put against in Iraq in 91 WAS the best.

BTW Black project planes are tracked with radar, there are more advanced than regular planes (F-14/15/16/18) but there are NOT as advanced as people think there are, just look on you-tube of all these U.F.O.'s that have been tracked by simple fighter planes like F-16/18's in the U.S. and in Europe threw out the Cold-war and in the 90's.

Traveling at 3 miles per-second is Surface To Air Missile speed.

Russia's Scalar Weapons Projects have also been up-graded, not still using things from the 60's, your FEL will not get U.S.A. to win WW-3 Least I believe U.S.A. will not win WW-3.

Military might depends on weaponry + Personnel. Do we have the Stomach for another war??? I would campaign against a war right now because I am not personally prepared to send my children or my neighbour's to war.

Michael Moore did the right thing when he asked the politicians home many of their kids were in Iraq!

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
Then I started crunching the numbers and realized that given the amount of energy used and the way the FEL works as well as the temps. that are achieved...I realized that 1000 feet was actually a low ball number.

This is why I have said...the FEL is without a doubt the most capable and powerful weapon ever devised. Given proper electrical requirements...Beam Temps. are capable of reaching those of the Solar Core. At that high of a temp. 1000 feet of steel is NOTHING.

The energy's what you really look at. Temperatures aren't meaningful without sufficient energy. That said, do you know how much energy it would take to vaporize a piece of steel 1000 feet deep and, say, 6" across? I suspect not.

A 200 Kilowatt FEL Beam burns through 20 feet of solid steel per second thus it would take a 200 Kilowatt Beam 50 seconds to burn a hole through 1000 feet of steel.

The planned Carrier based FEL's may use a Megawatt Beam which increases the burn ratio exponentially. Thus it does not decrease burn time by 500% which would be 10 seconds to burn through 1000 feet...but would decrease burn time by 2500% thus 2.5 Seconds to burn through 1000 Feet of solid steel.

Split Infinity

reply to post by ATSWATCHER


3 Miles a Second is 10,800 Miles Per Hour...MUCH faster than current surface to air missile speed.

As far as those aircraft you say were the best or at the very least equipped with the best tech we had...that is not true. By the time a Military Aircraft lends itself to mass production new designs for both aircraft as well as all electronics in that craft have already been designed.

Split Infinity

reply to post by mbkennel


If it was a Chemical Pulse Detonation Aircraft then it would not have the range to fly around the globe. Proper Shielding can easily negate Neutron Radiation and as far as detection...when you are flying this fast...detection does not matter as there is no current adversary capable of shooting down an Aircraft flying at such speed save the U.S.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by ATSWATCHER

 

3 Miles a Second is 10,800 Miles Per Hour...MUCH faster than current surface to air missile speed.

As far as those aircraft you say were the best or at the very least equipped with the best tech we had...that is not true. By the time a Military Aircraft lends itself to mass production new designs for both aircraft as well as all electronics in that craft have already been designed.

Split Infinity

Which F-14-15-16-18's were more advanced in the USAF that were not in O.D.S. (Operation Desert Storm)

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by mbkennel

 

If it was a Chemical Pulse Detonation Aircraft then it would not have the range to fly around the globe. Proper Shielding can easily negate Neutron Radiation and as far as detection...when you are flying this fast...detection does not matter as there is no current adversary capable of shooting down an Aircraft flying at such speed save the U.S.

Split Infinity

If it wasn't chemically powered, why the contrail? Most of the time a contrail is ice seeded from the H2O produced by the combustion reaction.

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I have tried to explain several different ways as have other people on this topic have also tried to explain these things to you without any comprehension on your part.

I really don't know how else I can explain this other than what was used in Desert Storm was not the State of the Art in Avionics or Target and Acquisition systems.

Split Infinity

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Anything that generated heat in atmosphere at that altitude will create those clouds.

Split Infinity

We are only strong as long we keep our greedy hands on all the tech. The US buys a lot of stuff from Russia. Russia could very well be more advanced than the USA but any war between the two would be a loss for both sides. It's just a pissing contest until some of the less than savory folks get their hands on what the USA considered old tech like the nuclear bomb then we are all screwed. If the USA was smart it would be the first to say it no longer wishes to create items that deal only death and maybe others will follow toward a peaceful earth. As long as people are creating new weapons someone will find a reason to use it and then bad guys will get it eventually and we will have to deal with that. But as far as being the strongest all it takes is that next weapon. Japan thought it was though till we nuked them. We will think we are tough till something knocks the USA off but that would require leaving the USA a giant glass sculpture. And that ladies and gentleman is where the world stands. It's a countdown until the next guy uses the next "bigger stick" then that will probably be end of days. The USA is however defenseless against gorilla warfare.

reply to post by marbles87


The day that the World stops being such a dangerous place...I will be the FIRST ONE to melt my Weapons into Farm Equipment. Unfortunately...this will not happen in my Lifetime.

As far as Warfare of the nature that has occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan...this form of resistance will always be available to those who wish to use it. This type of Insurgency did not occur after the German and Japanese Surrender as those people wished a Bright Future for their Countries and were smart enough to understand that the quickest way to achieve that future was to help rebuild.

In Iraq and Afghanistan we are dealing with Zealots who's sole purpose is to gain control of the population by any means necessary...including killing their own people. The only way to stop this kind of Warfare is all out Genocide. Fortunately the U.S. does not have that mindset...but if those Zealots were to threaten the U.S. with such destruction...such constraint by the U.S. would not remain.

Split Infinity

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So with all the heat on the middle east it's hard to say that the US is not turning the gears on complete control of the middle east at all costs. Look at what it costs us just to be there and for what? The US sees that it's days are numbered and we are trying to "kill the bad guys and finish on top" basically destroy the middle east then do every thing possible to make peace while the opportunity is there. Whole world vs terrorism. No one ever thought of that.

reply to post by marbles87


The Day are Numbered for the U.S.? LOL! I think not!

The entire World Economy is integrated with the U.S. Economy and if the U.S. goes down then so does the World. China could not survive a WEEK without U.S. Markets as their entire economy is based upon sales of goods to the U.S.

The U.S. is also the largest grower and supplier of Food in the World as well as the U.S. is the number one donator of Food Aid. If such donations as well as if the U.S. suddenly stopped growing even 20% of the food it currently does the World would go into a state of starvation.

Split Infinity

I've been on the site now for a few months, this is my first post as I've been choosing carefully where I would make my introduction. So here goes.

I have read all 19 pages of this thread and only superficial mentions of what would actually happen in the event of ww3. It's quite ridiculous to think that any country would win in a total war scenario with the nuclear technologies. But what about the modern day Tesla technologies that only a few people have the courage to actually mention. There are multiple haarp facilities all over the world that can literally steer hurricanes where ever they're needed to go. But that is a conspiracy so I'll change gears. Tesla is on record, in the 30's no less, with having invented the earthquake machine. You can see this demonstrated today in small scale demo's on YouTube. If that was in the 30's than what do we have now. I'm not trying to make this a 9/11 thread (I'm not allowed to discuss 9/11 yet apparently) but people try to tell me that our/your/somebodies government does not have the ability to pulverize a skyscraper into dust where it stands?! I say HA! If Tesla could do it in the 30's and 40's, and he wrote down how to do it, than you can bet your bottom dollar we can do it a whole lot better now. I don't even want to get started on free energy right now.

The point I am making in this comment is this: Space race/ Arms race/ Tech race doesn't matter anymore. All out total war = total global destruction. That is why the BIG 3 (US/Russia/China) are afraid to go to war. But what they are not afraid of is accomplishing the elite goal of establishing a global one world government/economy/belief system. You can't do that until democracy, in one form or other, has reached every single country, so they can CHOOSE to get on board. Nuking people is not productive and the big 3 knows this as well as any other country trying to obtain them. Getting nukes means getting to sit at the big boy table. Launching nukes mean Apocalypse. IMHO.

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Originally posted by marbles87
We are only strong as long we keep our greedy hands on all the tech. The US buys a lot of stuff from Russia.

Such as?

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I am glad you asked him this question as I forgot and the only thing we purchase from Russia in any quantity that I know of is Caviar. LOL! Vodka?

Split Infinity

Originally posted by Kusinjo
But what about the modern day Tesla technologies that only a few people have the courage to actually mention. There are multiple haarp facilities all over the world that can literally steer hurricanes where ever they're needed to go. But that is a conspiracy so I'll change gears. Tesla is on record, in the 30's no less, with having invented the earthquake machine.

By the 1930's Tesla was seriously delusional and mentally ill. There is no such technology to engineer earthquakes or hurricanes.

Modern day Tesla technologies are three-phase AC power distribution and AC induction motors which he had a major contribution to improving.

You have to realize that after his early successes he was a big bovine scatologist, and was always trying to get money for his next schemes.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by marbles87

 

The Day are Numbered for the U.S.? LOL! I think not!

The entire World Economy is integrated with the U.S. Economy and if the U.S. goes down then so does the World. China could not survive a WEEK without U.S. Markets as their entire economy is based upon sales of goods to the U.S.

The U.S. is also the largest grower and supplier of Food in the World as well as the U.S. is the number one donator of Food Aid. If such donations as well as if the U.S. suddenly stopped growing even 20% of the food it currently does the World would go into a state of starvation.

Split Infinity

China might hurt, but the British EMPIRE will not. Sorry. if the US vanished from the earth tomorrow. Canada, UK, Australia really would not care. China would welcome the extra farm land, keep your cheap dollar.

Ok that was a bit of a trolling statement but right back at you.

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You are right. A Nuclear War benefits no one. Such a war cannot be won. The battles now are not for territory or ideology...they are for Energy and who gets to exploit new markets.

When it comes to thinking out of the box...the U.S. is second to none in both Weapons Tech as well as how to use specific strategies to it's Economic Interests. The U.S. has only a bit over 300 Million People and yet is the Worlds Largest Economy. China is second with close to 1.5 BILLION PEOPLE.

This means that the U.S. has the Worlds Largest Economy with only one fifth the population of the Worlds Second Largest Economy in China. The dynamics needed for such a small population to do this is Mind Boggling.

When you have such a large economy you also have Large protective forces as well as both plans involving tactics and strategic initiatives. And above all you have the ability to eliminate any surprise actions by your adversaries.

Split Infinity