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Originally posted by Bone75
I'd also like you to stop putting all the sexual immorality off on men. Women are just as horny as we are... if not more.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Annee,
So now when I come into these type threads I post my story - - my real experience. "Hey! I made this decision. I actually experienced it. Where does your position come from? If its a belief system - - then it's your belief system etc etc".
No disrespect intended,
I have real experience in this area as well.
As someone who should not have made it. I can tell you that, because I now have the voice, abortion is WRONG.
You can justify it anyway you choose but that does not make it right.
I did not have a voice in my mothers womb but now I do.
So you yourself did not experience the circumstances to make the decision to have an abortion or not. Got it.
I'm really not interested in your story.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
That's just the thing Annee, My story is probably a lot like what your baby's would have been, given the chance.
Great - - you're here - you lived - you're viable. If you didn't you would have no opinion - - because you wouldn't exist.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
That is exactly the point I am making Annee, what gives anyone the right to keep another person from existing?
Looking at your grandson now, can you imagine him being aborted?
I am sorry for your lose Annee, You say it has no effect but.........well............... I am sorry for your lose, Annee.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
That is exactly the point I am making Annee, what gives anyone the right to keep another person from existing?
Looking at your grandson now, can you imagine him being aborted?
I am sorry for your lose Annee, You say it has no effect but.........well............... I am sorry for your lose, Annee.
I am not trying to be harsh. You are not the first person who's brought that up to me in an abortion discussion.
It is your experience. It matters to you.
But in no way do I relate to it as affecting my thoughts on abortion and the difficult decision - - - under difficult circumstances.
Don't you think any woman faced with making this decision - - has already gone through every scenario in her head?
Do you think I just locked myself in a cave avoiding contact with the outside world?
Do you think I didn't go shopping and see mothers with their babies in strollers etc.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
To be honest Annee, I don't know what you think. I do not understand it . I can not imagine what makes a person feel that they have the right to take another life away. No matter how abortion is justified it is still taking someones life away.
Originally posted by VforVendettea
Originally posted by Bone75
I'd also like you to stop putting all the sexual immorality off on men. Women are just as horny as we are... if not more.
No this about power. The power to subigate and the power to control
Women have battery power for their 'needs'.
Why can't young 'men' use the same subtitute until 'true love' kicks in?edit on 7-11-2012 by VforVendettea because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
To be honest Annee, I don't know what you think. I do not understand it . I can not imagine what makes a person feel that they have the right to take another life away. No matter how abortion is justified it is still taking someones life away.
YOU think/believe its taking another life. I don't.
I do have beliefs. I believe soul consciousness is our natural state and separate from the physical. That the soul consciousness chooses to enter the physical "host" body.
This is a belief I was raised with - - I did not invent it to justify abortion.
There is not ONE unselfish reason to bring another child into this world. There are multitudes of unselfish reason not to.
I had 2 daughters age 4 and 7. My husband was jealous of his children and they were beginning to show signs of distress because of it. I had a debilitating physical condition doctors couldn't figure out. I was a stay at home mother with little work experience and no higher education.
1. Stay married and let my children suffer?
2. Have a new baby while trying to find work and safe childcare for my already existing children?
3. Go through 9 months of pregnancy while going through an emotional divorce with children already suffering from a father who didn't want them? Then put baby out for "pot luck" adoption?
Oh - - and did I mention the oldest daughter was ADD?
Unselfish decision. 2 living children took priority.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Again Annee no disrespect but why do you keep saying "My Beliefs"? Even if I believed as you, it would be still be wrong.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Again Annee no disrespect but why do you keep saying "My Beliefs"? Even if I believed as you, it would be still be wrong.
Wrong.
Yes. YOUR Beliefs.
It is wrong for you because that is what you believe.
DO NOT tell me what is right or wrong for me.
bdfund.org...
Resolving the question of when human life begins is critical for advancing a reasoned
public policy debate over abortion and human embryo research. This article
considers the current scientific evidence in human embryology and addresses two
central questions concerning the beginning of life: 1) in the course of sperm-egg
interaction, when is a new cell formed that is distinct from either sperm or egg?
and 2) is this new cell a new human organism—i.e., a new human being? Based
on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into
existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a
second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of
events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic
development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm
or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific
evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the
life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined “moment of
conception.” This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and
independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life
or of human embryos.
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Again Annee no disrespect but why do you keep saying "My Beliefs"? Even if I believed as you, it would be still be wrong.
Wrong.
Yes. YOUR Beliefs.
It is wrong for you because that is what you believe.
DO NOT tell me what is right or wrong for me.
No Annee, it is not my beliefs alone. IT is SCIENCE.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Quadrivium
Says only you and other people with no LOGICAL arguments to back up their beliefs.
The child didnt suffer.. the child doesnt exist.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Quadrivium
Again Annee no disrespect but why do you keep saying "My Beliefs"? Even if I believed as you, it would be still be wrong.
Wrong.
Yes. YOUR Beliefs.
It is wrong for you because that is what you believe.
DO NOT tell me what is right or wrong for me.
No Annee, it is not my beliefs alone. IT is SCIENCE.
IT IS LAW.
Science? Scientists are as varied in their opinions as much as any other group of people.
I do not play "ping pong" posting. We are done.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Quadrivium
Every moment a woman spends UNIMPREGNATED she is killing a theoretical child...
Originally posted by Quadrivium
And you say my logic is messed up!
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Quadrivium
And you say my logic is messed up!
Your logic is messed up. You seem to have this idea that fertilized eggs are human beings, and you seem to believe that you can grant them the same rights. It's outside of reality.