Halloween: A Satanic Holiday

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by Egyptia

 

If that is the case, then my point is made for me. If your god is only a prayer away, then that means that the years and years of torment and pain I went through, that I prayed to god to find an answer for, were for nothing. It just proves, your god doesn't exist.

Many of us have walked through much pain and suffering. There is no designated time that everything goes away once saved because you are still in this world amidst the great battle. What appointment with proof are you looking for Koros?

I don't want to derail this thread so I'm happy to explain the very core thing that you are missing via U2U. You prove nothing by your statement only that you do not understand what being Saved is and means and what that looks like inside you and your life. Answers given to us are in accordance to HIS Will and not ours. Once saved doesn't mean that your automatically going to recieve the answers you are looking for until such time that HE deems fit. Nor does it mean that your struggle will instantly disappear. How much you surrender determines how much HE is able to do within you and your life.

Getting the answers you want when you want them has nothing to do with being Saved or how HE works in us. Your confusing the truth because your focused on 'these answers' your looking for on your terms.

One cannot have the truth nor G-d on their own terms. That wouldn't be the truth nor G-d would it.

Originally posted by Renegade2283

Originally posted by dayve
[SNIP]

Key word in that statement that modifies it to a point where it represents exactly what I stated was: "originally"

Oh, and baseless insults are not really necessary (see underlined content)

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edit on 1-11-2012 by Gemwolf because: Removed quoted post

I didn't insult you, you just seemed a lil angry over their...

Originally posted by Egyptia

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by Egyptia

 

If that is the case, then my point is made for me. If your god is only a prayer away, then that means that the years and years of torment and pain I went through, that I prayed to god to find an answer for, were for nothing. It just proves, your god doesn't exist.

Many of us have walked through much pain and suffering. There is no designated time that everything goes away once saved because you are still in this world amidst the great battle. What appointment with proof are you looking for Koros?

I don't want to derail this thread so I'm happy to explain the very core thing that you are missing via U2U. You prove nothing by your statement only that you do not understand what being Saved is and means and what that looks like inside you and your life. Answers given to us are in accordance to HIS Will and not ours. Once saved doesn't mean that your automatically going to recieve the answers you are looking for until such time that HE deems fit. Nor does it mean that your struggle will instantly disappear. How much you surrender determines how much HE is able to do within you and your life.

Getting the answers you want when you want them has nothing to do with being Saved or how HE works in us. Your confusing the truth because your focused on 'these answers' your looking for on your terms.

One cannot have the truth nor G-d on their own terms. That wouldn't be the truth nor G-d would it.

edit on 1-11-2012 by Egyptia because: (no reason given)

Another Christian passing the buck. What a shock!

In other words "Pray, and ye shall be saved...unless you aren't...but, then again, unless you are but you don't know it...because god will tell you when he wants to tell you...unless he doesn't...but, maybe he did, and you don't know it....you must live through faith....but, don't ask for proof because proof belies faith...we hate proof."

It's doublespeak and obfuscation worthy of George Orwell. This is the standard way Christians oporate. They do their best to convert people and tell them to open their hearts and accept Jesus. But, when someone does and their life doesn't change the way a Christian promised, they fall back on "Well, our god works in mysterious ways."

As I've said, the fact that your god seems so determined to make sure no one can prove he exists is reason enough for me not to believe he does.

Originally posted by dayve

I didn't insult you, you just seemed a lil angry over their...

Well, I was not angry in any way, and I am sorry if you got that from text I typed. I wasn't yelling, seeing as how I didn't use caps or an !, and I didn't call you any names or use an "angry" or "flame" emote, so I do not understand why you assumed I was angry.

Also, I did not remove your post, that was the mods, so don't take it out on me.

I had honestly thought you were playing stupid ( I don't think you actually are) when you asked who "they" were, I mean you have to admit that it is common on this site.

reply to post by Hijinx


Kids dressing up in costumes relates to the fact children love to imitate adults. As far as candy, as one grows older the the desire for sweets diminishes as such children really like candy. The origins of Halloween relates to "All Saints Day and/or the "Day of the Dead". It is a celebration that occurs during harvest/the fall season when there is plenty. Ancient Caucasian cultures, like the Romans celebrated the lives of there ancestors.

The motif of death is related to ancient observation in respect to representations of death.

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by ripcontrol

sounds a lot like an attempt to maintain law and order mixed with mass marketing

Thanks for sharing that, it made for an interesting watch.

You know when I see things like this, and see how how customs have evolved and where they came from, it makes me cringe to think that this world might be under observation by higher intelligences. It's so embarassing.

reply to post by sekerofknowlege


First, I would like to reiterate what others have explained, that Halloween is clearly NOT a satanic holiday, but I would also like to add that a child dressing up as Spiderman and going door to door in the neighborhood asking for treats isn't evil at all.

Intention is what feeds evil (and good) - innocent children having fun is not evil. If those children were instead murdering their neighbors and asking for beelzebub to feed them power as they eat raw human hearts..well, that would be evil.

Lastly, as a source, a website which, in its very name, shortens "you are" to "your"...well, I'm certainly not clicking on it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I just can't find the logic in believing that Halloween is somehow evil. The closest anyone could probably come to making that mistake is that one of the origins is in wearing "scary" masks to ward off evil (which, many would presume warding off evil to be quite the opposite of evil.)

If occultists are using Halloween for rituals, it is because it is believed the veil between the living and the dead is "thinner" that day. Again, it doesn't mean little Johnny in his spidey costume is participating in satanic acts.

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Egyptia

Originally posted by Koros
reply to post by Egyptia

 

If that is the case, then my point is made for me. If your god is only a prayer away, then that means that the years and years of torment and pain I went through, that I prayed to god to find an answer for, were for nothing. It just proves, your god doesn't exist.

Many of us have walked through much pain and suffering. There is no designated time that everything goes away once saved because you are still in this world amidst the great battle. What appointment with proof are you looking for Koros?

I don't want to derail this thread so I'm happy to explain the very core thing that you are missing via U2U. You prove nothing by your statement only that you do not understand what being Saved is and means and what that looks like inside you and your life. Answers given to us are in accordance to HIS Will and not ours. Once saved doesn't mean that your automatically going to receive the answers you are looking for until such time that HE deems fit. Nor does it mean that your struggle will instantly disappear. How much you surrender determines how much HE is able to do within you and your life.

Getting the answers you want when you want them has nothing to do with being Saved or how HE works in us. Your confusing the truth because your focused on 'these answers' your looking for on your terms.

One cannot have the truth nor G-d on their own terms. That wouldn't be the truth nor G-d would it.

edit on 1-11-2012 by Egyptia because: (no reason given)

Another Christian passing the buck. What a shock!

In other words "Pray, and ye shall be saved...unless you aren't...but, then again, unless you are but you don't know it...because god will tell you when he wants to tell you...unless he doesn't...but, maybe he did, and you don't know it....you must live through faith....but, don't ask for proof because proof belies faith...we hate proof."

It's doublespeak and obfuscation worthy of George Orwell. This is the standard way Christians oporate. They do their best to convert people and tell them to open their hearts and accept Jesus. But, when someone does and their life doesn't change the way a Christian promised, they fall back on "Well, our god works in mysterious ways."

As I've said, the fact that your god seems so determined to make sure no one can prove he exists is reason enough for me not to believe he does.

Removing my new post... time for me to move on..

reply to post by syrinx2112

Yes, I stopped searching. But, you make it appear as though it was through some failing on my part. Again, the tone is "well, you didn't find God because you stopped looking." We could debate this point ad naseum, but suffice it to say my search was neither short-lived nor insincere.

Now, here the other point. You say that I shouldn't conclude there is no God. I never said that. I wholeheartedly believe in God, just not the Christian god. (If you don't see the difference, think about it and look at my signature for a moment). You say "millions have experienced God." How do I know that? How do they know that? Can you admit, even for a moment, that perhaps there is a different explanation? Perhaps millions have experienced things they didn't understand, and when they turned to their elders for answers their elders said "that is God." So, thus told, they concluded the same?

It's called social conditioning. I'm not saying this IS what happened to those who claim to have experienced the Christian god. I'm only saying that it is a possibility. Can you admit that as well?

Originally posted by dogstar23
First, I would like to reiterate what others have explained, that Halloween is clearly NOT a satanic holiday, .

It is very satanic....

I walked with my son who was an undead....satanic

He went to 100 houses and demanded candy or he would do evil a pond them.....satanic

I smoked a cigar along the way....fire and brimstone anyone?

My house had satanic idols all over the place too.

Evil pumpkins

really evil looking ghost

Big evil spider

Red lights

Skeleton lights..like all over the place...very satanic

Yep, you guess it, I'm on the highway to hell and I'm not doing the speed limit either...

Nov 1 is the Catholic celebration of All Saints Day.

www.newadvent.org...

for celebrating all the various Saints and martyrs who suffered and sacrificed for Christ.

At the turn of the century Halloween was quite a bit more innocent but it was still associated with pranks and dressing in costume. I am alway reminded of the character "Tootie" in "Meet Me in St. Louis" where she goes with her older sister to the neighborhood bonfire where the kids threw old wooden furniture in the fire and then run up to people's doors and throw flour in their faces.





Today if you run up and throw flour in people's faces in their homes it is probably against the law.


The History Channel does indeed tell us that the bonfires were a tradition of the Celts and they were used to ward off ghosts.
www.history.com...

Self righteous Preachy Christians really get on my Breasty dumplings

reply to post by Xtrozero


This made me giggle!

reply to post by Xtrozero


During the 100 years war, peasants were told that the reason the war was bing fought. Was due to the issue of which shoulder should be touched first, when making the crucifix, when using the human body. You see one side supported the left shoulder and peasants on the other side favored the right shoulder.

God in the Bible said, "Thou shall not kill", clearly God meant no exceptions. History is replete with events in which imply killing people because of God, despite the "no kill rule".

Essentially Halloween suggests that it is ok to pray to your ancestors, even if they were not saints or prophets.

Evil clearly is what is a threat to survival.

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by Kashai

During the 100 years war, peasants were told that the reason the war was bing fought. Was due to the issue of which shoulder should be touched first, when making the crucifix, when using the human body. You see one side supported the left shoulder and peasants on the other side favored the right shoulder.

But was that the real reason...?

God in the Bible said, "Thou shall not kill", clearly God meant no exceptions. History is replete with events in which imply killing people because of God, despite the "no kill rule".

Is it the "no kill rule" or the "no murder rule"? It seems in one's debate people hinge everything on one word that can have only one meaning.

I personally don't think things are so simple as this.

Essentially Halloween suggests that it is ok to pray to your ancestors, even if they were not saints or prophets.

Evil clearly is what is a threat to survival.

Essentially, I don't think 99.9% of the people to practice Halloween pray to anything on that date.

I think you are mistaking Halloween with Día de los Muertos that is Nov 1 and 2....

There is a difference between praying to/for ancestors and worshipping ancestors....not sure your point here.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

If I had been living beneath the rule of the Romans, I'd be pretty freakin' desperate too. There's not a whole lot of hope in that sort of world, and Jesus happened to appeal to them. Big deal. Speaks more for their idiocy and desperation than anything else.

Thanks for your measured reply ... again.



Please just stop replying to my posts if you insist on riding out this raging polemic of yours until the stars grow cold. There's no reason you can't reign in your anti-christian hysteria just enough to engage in a respectful, stormless conversation.

i personally think that God doesn't exist, neither does Satan, but if you believe in that sort of thing, fine, I'm not going to stop you, or tell you what you are doing wrong, on the other hand it's perfectly acceptable for self righteous Christians to preach to others about how evil they are and about how their life choices are wrong. KEEP YOUR NOSES OUT OF OTHER PEOPLES BUSINESSES. Why do you Christians have to ram that nonesense down everyones throats. Seriously if Christ existed at all, and he could see you, he'd be very dissapointed, and probably bitch slap the lot of you. I'm an Atheist, I love Halloween, mainly because I love Horror and sci-fi books/films, NOT BECAUSE I'M A SATANIST. Seeing as I don't believe in the existence God, the idea of Satan is as equally ridiculous to me. Halloween is bit of fun, nowadays, derived from a Pagan festival, and like all festivals of Pagan origin hijacked by annoying Christians. Don't you go worrying about my eternal soul, because I don't believe I have one, and if I am wrong, I AM going to Hell, not you, SO WHY ANNOY ME? Why bother preaching and judging other people? if I remember rightly from Sunday School only God can Judge, plus even if I don't believe in Christ, he'll still forgive me for it, cos that's the kind of guy he was, unlike his annoying followers who have missed the point completely.

reply to post by ofNight


that is true so where did the idea of wiccan was satanic i have always wondered that . my fathers side was wiccan so i know a little about wiccan religion not as much as i would like to know about it because i never met my fathers side of the family or my father for that matter my mom said my father was an evil man i know that is not the case though he was just miss understood . can you help me understand the wiccan belief please ?

Originally posted by Loki1LouAmardd2Revan3
reply to post by ofNight

 

that is true so where did the idea of wiccan was satanic i have always wondered that . my fathers side was wiccan so i know a little about wiccan religion not as much as i would like to know about it because i never met my fathers side of the family or my father for that matter my mom said my father was an evil man i know that is not the case though he was just miss understood . can you help me understand the wiccan belief please ?

Here is a really good link that really describes Wicca in depth.

wicca.com...

Hope that is of some use -- many Wiccan's get a bad wrap because of witchcraft -- which once again, has nothing to do with Satanism. Overzealous religious extremists will label anything that contradicts with their beliefs, "Satanic", when in actuality, true Satanism has nothing to do with Wicca -- in fact, Wicca contradicts the very cardinal rules of Satanism, I would go so far as to say they could even be consider opposites.

reply to post by ofNight

1. Paganism does not equate to Satanism.
2. Wicca has nothing to do with Satanism.
3. Halloween's origins have nothing to do with Satanism.
4. Many common Christmas celebrations have Pagan roots (Christmas trees, for example).

/thread

What he said. Halloween has nothing to do with Satan or any of that nonsense that the OP was spewing.

There's my $.02 on the matter.

Case closed.



-TS