POST SANDY: "People are turning on each other -- they're attacking each other"

reply to post by MegaMind


I heard on the radio people offering to open there homes to those in need maybe one option or where are your shelters?

I found a list of shelters here for NJ.
sOURCE

HERE'S ONE FOR NY Source

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Disaster Assistance

reply to post by relocator


You may have misunderstood me. I am not affected by the hurricane. I live in NC. I was just making an observation about evacuating one's home. Its good to know there are places willing to take people in need of shelter as that is obviously the most difficult part of evacuating.

I lived with my parents at the time that hurricane Hugo came through our area. We went without power for 2 weeks. Water for bathing, cooking, and flushing toilets was the biggest problem (we were on a well - no power? no water!). We bought trash cans put them on our trailer and filled them with water and took them home with us. Now I know when an event such as this is on the horizon you need to fill every available container with water - including bath tubs and trash cans. A few gallons from the store won't cut it. We had a family of four - 2 weeks without power!!

Just came across this ...

link

worth the read ....

“It’s so bad here, a lot worse than how its being portrayed by the media. They are finding bodies left and right, elderly people who don’t even watch the news or who knew the storm was coming

When Irene happened I thought they over hyped it ... look at the consequences of that ...

One story I heard was about this one guy who evacuated his house during Hurricane Irene but then it got looted. So when they told him to evacuate for Sandy, he said, ‘I’m not leaving.’ Now they can’t find him, his 13-year-old daughter is dead, and his wife is in critical condition at the hospital. These are the stories. My stepfather and my mother, I love them to death. But when they heard the storm was coming, they said, ‘It’s not going to be that bad. Irene didn’t do anything.’ They had two flashlights and a couple of scented candles. Little did they know. It’s just not worth it. If you’re told to evacuate, you need to get out.

the marathon?! really?!

On top of it, the hotels in Manhattan have been nice enough to put up people who have no homes. They are charging them $200 as opposed to $700 a night. But now they are throwing these people out because they’ve got people from all over the world coming to run the marathon. They are throwing out the survivors!

The Japanese had Tsunami with many dead and areas devastated and eradiated yet no looting....

Makes you think hey?

Oh

And they sorted the mess in no time...

Originally posted by EvanB
The Japanese had Tsunami with many dead and areas devastated and eradiated yet no looting....

Makes you think hey?

Oh

And they sorted the mess in no time...

This country is a total mess man and people still cannot get it through their heads how bad we have become.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
I haven't heard much mention of the most vulnerable - the sick, disabled and the aged - those with medical needs that can't wait.

Well, I have certainly asserted as much.
I really find it distasteful all the finger wagging going on in this thread and elsewhere.

I bring it up because even I overlook this issue and I'm someone who would be dead if I had to go 3 days without certain medications. You won't see many of these kinds of people on the news, they're just sitting quietly somewhere hoping family, friends or rescue can get them and get them to medical care. They're not wandering around in the streets or waiting in gas lines or looting stores which makes them easily forgotten.

I certainly didn't mean that no-one had addressed it, many, yourself included are more thoughtful than that. Nor was I being critical of rescue services as they are overwhelmed themselves. They did do an amazing job of evacuating several hospitals. I can't imagine the logistical nightmare that must have been.

ETA: BLOOMBERG IS AN IDIOT
Having the marathon and a Giant's game now when people have nowhere to stay, nothing to eat and there's little gas or public transportation to be had. BRING IN MORE PEOPLE? BRILLIANT!!!

L.A. Times reporting Marathon canceled looking for link...Judge Napolitano FB post.

Adding links as I find them...here's one...

The LA Times @mikememoli reports that the NYC Marathon has been canceled - CONFIRMED

BREAKING: The LA Times @mikememoli reports that the NYC Marathon has been canceled, according to an NYPD source.

twitter.com...

www.democraticunderground.com...

Des

reply to post by Destinyone


Wow! The only thing worse than NOT cancelling it 3 days ago, is cancelling it NOW that people have already travelled there!

What a Charlie Foxtrot!

If this is true, Bloomberg might be the most bumbling mayor in history.

The only thing worse than making a bad decision, is making no decision at all, flip-flopping, and showing extreme weakness in a time of crisis.

I've grown up, lived, and worked in the Colorado mountains for my entire life. I am not the shaggy uneducated mountain hick typical stereotype.
One of the big problems I see with cities and city folk is how much they rely on technology and other people/services to make it through a standard day. Take any of those away, and they cannot take care of themselves.
Up at my house (around 10,000 feet), my community and myself live with our own services. We cut wood for our stoves and heat, we have huge propane tanks, well water, septic tanks, personal snow plow vehicles, warm clothes and lots of extra food. Living far away from modern conveniences makes you stock up on "survivables".
During summer/spring high wind events and winter snow storms, we loose power up to two times a month, sometimes for over a week in duration. This is normal. This is life. For those of us with generators, most are hooked up to run off the 500 gallon propane tanks. The others who run on standard fuel, run them only long enough to to take care of desired tasks.
I am not shocked by the actions of looters and angry citizens on the east coast. They have had thier hands held for most of their city life, and when things aren't taken care of for them, they do not comprehend or understand providing for themselves. This even with over a weeks notice!
I have been evacutaed three times from my current house. Not from hurricanes or floods, but from wildfires. Sometimes with only 15 minutes notice. There have been times when almost a week has gone by before allowed to return. You do get the occasional angry community member (usually a transplant from the city) who is outraged and demands to return home to an unsafe environment, but for the most part, that is the price you pay when living in the mountains.
I choose to live out of the busy corporate world. A world where half the people have more money than brains, and the under-privileged rely on crime and violence. The city with city thinking is not for me.
It all starts with learning how to take care of yourself.

Originally posted by Destinyone
L.A. Times reporting Marathon canceled looking for link...Judge Napolitano FB post.

Adding links as I find them...here's one...

The LA Times @mikememoli reports that the NYC Marathon has been canceled - CONFIRMED

BREAKING: The LA Times @mikememoli reports that the NYC Marathon has been canceled, according to an NYPD source.

twitter.com...

www.democraticunderground.com...

Des

edit on 2-11-2012 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)

More links...

NYC Marathon canceled
Updated: November 2, 2012, 5:22 PM ET
ESPN.com news services

The New York Marathon was canceled Friday in the wake of criticism that the race should not take place as the city struggles to recover from Hurricane Sandy.

Earlier Friday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg had insisted that the race would take place Sunday despite some New Yorkers saying that holding the race would be insensitive and tie up police, generators and other resources when many are still suffering.

Joan Wacks, whose Staten Island waterfront condo was swamped with 4 feet of water, had predicted authorities would still have been recovering bodies when the estimated 40,000 runners from around the world would have hit the streets for the 26.2-mile race. She had called the mayor "tone deaf."

More from ESPN.com

Canceling this year's New York City Marathon isn't about being unfair to the runners -- it's about being fair to a city ravaged by Hurricane Sandy, writes Mario Fraioli. Commentary

SportsNationShould the marathon go on? SportsNation commenters on both sides of the debate weigh in. Early returns show a substantial split in favor of running the race. Vote and comment

In New York, the show must go on -- even if it's been just days since a natural disaster ravaged parts of the city. Why? Money and morale, writes Kristi Dosh. Story


"He is clueless without a paddle to the reality of what everyone else is dealing with," she said. "If there are any resources being put toward the marathon, that's wrong. I'm sorry, that's wrong."

At a news conference, Bloomberg had defended his decision as a way to raise money for the stricken city and boost morale six days after Sandy flooded neighborhoods, knocked out power to hundreds of thousands homes and businesses and killed at least 39 people.
espn.go.com...

So, I guess this story is true...I hope to high hell it is...

Des

reply to post by MegaMind


I'm from an area in Jersey that lost power, and one woman was seen barbecueing on the side of a supermarket cart! Never underestimate the power of hunger!

reply to post by elrem48


Hey, we used to do that at my job all the time! Those guys that sell steaks out of the back of a truck would stop by, and we'd by a box, and then turn over a shopping cart, put our excess cut chunks of lumber underneath, light it on fire, roast the steaks, and have an awesome lunch!

reply to post by Destinyone


The fact they attempted to have it at all is simply astonishing.

Nearly criminal.

What were those people smoking????

reply to post by loam

Loam. Excellent thread. I would star and flag you more if it were possible.

I agree with your comment earlier, that things are going to get a lot worse yet for the victims of the hurricane.
I said earlier there was no real coverage of the looting going on on news channels where I live. Now there is very little coverage of the developments, apart from reference to the boost it has given the Obama campaign. The focus of news from the US is now almost totally election campaign news. When we see anything about the aftermath of hurricane Sandy any clips with the story are of talking heads, mostly Mayor Bloomberg, or Obama and Romney - and a picture of a tree blown over.

MSN has made the decision to kill the real story here, the culpability of the system itself in allowing service providing corporations to rundown their infrastructure for years now, just to ensure an increasing profit in hard times.

What is becoming evident to Joe and Jane American is the true nature of the class system. That Bloomberg who represents the elite in NYC could allow any available resource to be available to a corporate sponsored race through the city shows just how cynical are the platitudes he has served out to New Yorkers since Sandy hit. He represents the big money, and MSN are there to cover their tracks on this 'little' hiccup in their world, and yes I really think a very small layer, the 1% if you like, believe it to be their own world.

My 2 cents for the day.

reply to post by Tallone


In many respects, this is very much like Katrina. Even then most media outlets refused to report the true extent of the crisis because Bush was still the media darling protecting us from foreign evil....until they could ignore it no more and had no choice but to report on it.

Now the media is spiking this story for similar reasons, imo. They don't want this to damage Obama in any way.

I'm disgusted by the whole damned thing.

We simply suck.

By the end of next week, even if Obama is re-elected, we will see the real nightmare unfold. There will be reporting galore about the disaster.

Mark my words on this too.

I'm not surprised one bit about the msm,tho almost everyone has a video camera in there pocket,we can do our own reporting
My American brothers will get through this,but they need to pull together ,clearly the government can't handle real emergencies,they had ample warning too,another failure of FEMA and an eye opener for the rest of us..prepare or despair

reply to post by all2human

Originally posted by all2human
tho almost everyone has a video camera in there pocket,we can do our own reporting

To your point:

From NY, eyewitness & victim

Originally posted by Rocks123
Dear AT
Not sure if I am posting this correctly or not, but limited time does not allow you much thought.
New York, Coney Island Area, direct hit of Sandy, we have no water, tv or anything, light went back on last night, but we are very thankfull just for that. I want to ask everyone to mark the fact that the worst areas got no media coverage, we have 6 buildings still evacuated, due to gas leak. Not even one car survived. This place looks and smells like death. Robberies are at the highest... I have to walk for hours to get service on phone, 311, ny1 or brooklyn channel 12 are useless. I am posting this only for one reason. Please look into the fact that entire neiborhood was swimming in water, cars, buses every single business..... houses are gone... but it wasn't rain or water from ocean, the ground was cracking apart like during earthquake and water was coming out like fountain. it took < 10 minutes to fill lobbies and cars over the roof... there was NO rain, wind came after 11pm.... I can't post picture using computer of very nice strangers who let me for 10 minutes, I have video's and pictures (actually my husband does) and I will post them when (hopefully) i get everything back, if you want it directly sent, please message me your cell number and I will do it. I am here for another 10 minutes, its about 7:40pm. if you think you are actually being helped or water is being given out or that NY was prepared,,,, all LIES, BIG lies, people are robbing eaching other, fights are everywhere, people dress in Police, FEMA and Fire uniform knock on doors and destroy peoples lives to nothing..... its horrible... we have another small storm coming next week. Me and my family, lost everything, my husband lost his business, cars, houses, my kids didn't take a shower for days... all I am asking to to check please, what can possible cause the water to drastically and very fast crack the ground open and drown cars....

Thank you!
NY
sorry for spelling and grammar

From one of our very own.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by doobydoll

 

You're right doobydoll, that was a bit harsh. There might be some people who have absolutely nothing to spare but here in America most of the "poor" have nice phones, big screen tvs, laptops etc and often drive a decent car.
Those with no resources I feel badly for, those who chose not to prepare however I think have no right to complain.
Most of us have little to spare so it's a matter of priorities. I go without cable TV, dining out, movies etc so I can allocate resources to things like stocking up on perishable foods, lamp oil, etc. I don't get much out of it except the knowledge that in an emergency I can still feed my family. I've been through several storms before that knocked out power for weeks and kept stores closed.

I rather doubt most of those complaining had even given a minute's thought to being prepared for any type of emergency event and think the government's job is to come bail them out instantly. It can take days, even weeks for them to get around to helping everyone and it's naive to think they should be on your doorstep in the next day or 2.

Even the poorest here have food stamps (ADC card) and can get food so for the vast majority I really feel there was no good excuse for not having enough food to last a couple of days. It's not like Sandra just snuck up on everyone and said "Surprise!".

We all had several days warning.
It was their choice to ignore it.

Yes, I do take your point. Those who were in a position to stock up for a few days despite warnings of what was imminent, but chose not to - I'll dare bet they're kicking themselves now.

I hope they can all hang on in there until help finds them.