Why you should vote

reply to post by Mysticblade


The electorate would decide as outlined by the constitution if that were to fail the responcibility goes to congress.

Hope that helps.

Boycotting the polls is an amazingly short sighted and pointless thing to do. The people who want to make an "I choose neither" declaration should go to their polls, cast their votes on all of the very important local races, measures, and bond issues and then leave POTUS blank if they so choose. That way it is recognized that you actively made a decision to go to the polls, you voted for issues important to you, and still you opted to not participate in the POTUS farce. Otherwise, DC and their media puppets simply push it as voter apathy or laziness and claim you simply stayed home.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

Otherwise, DC and their media puppets simply push it as voter apathy or laziness and claim you simply stayed home.

Its unlikely the media would come out and admit that many (who knows how many) don't vote because they've figured out elections are a scam of epic proportions and refuse to participate.

In terms of local elections, I'd agree with you if it weren't for single voters having to compete with all the ngos and public/private orgs and chambers of commerce/agenda 21ers who drive the effects and outcomes of local races and issues. Its amazing to watch it unfolding election after election and its getting worse, not better.

Originally posted by CalebRight14

Originally posted by dazbog
There are times when things can't be " Fixed ". Humpty Dumpty comes to mind.

I firmly believe this is the case with our current situation. About 85% of Americans disagree with
our involvement in the war. Yet, although I can not prove this, I would suggest most will continue to vote for the individuals they voted for in the previous election.

I agree, part of the intent behind this thread actually.


What part of the majority of people will continue to vote for their previous selection ( and expect a different result ) did you miss ?
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Originally posted by dazbog
I would also suggest that although you feel frazzle presents a weak argument his actual words ring true.
"We can beg, demand, have temper tantrums, and hold our breaths until we’re blue in the face, but we cannot exercise power over them because we have no power over them–the Constitution didn’t give us any."

Then wouldn't a better plan be to vote people in that want term limits and will actually impeach someone who has violated the law? In what world does doing nothing get results? That’s worse than doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.


LOL Really ? I guess you missed the part about the system being an inherently corrupting process.

Originally posted by dazbog
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Being from N.Y. I'm familiar with Genovese. An extreme example, that even the most jaded New Yorker found unacceptable. Equally as weak if not more so then frazzles link to electionboycott2012.org. although the actual site presents some interesting arguments for not voting.

So you're familiar with it and still say it's weak? A perfect example of the kind of person that would just watch because, hey, it's not me.

You do not know me well enough to make such an outlandish sophomoric statement on my character !
It's insulting !
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Originally posted by dazbog
Personally, I am really torn on whether or not to participate in yet another round of voting for the lesser of two evils.For individuals who think our Constitution is the foundation of a free society Ron Paul was the only candidate worthy of consideration. The Forth Estate felt otherwise. The MSM plays a huge part in who or who will not be heard. Ron Paul said many go to Washington well intended but are eventually corrupted by the system. This implies the " System " is a monster which is beyond the bounds of the elected. Because I do actually understand how the process works, if I do vote , it will not be for either of the two pre-screened talking heads but for locale issues that will have an immediate effect on my life.

If you don't think Ron Paul's actions, even if not elected haven't made an impact, I don't know where you have been. As I said it has taken a long time for the system to get this bad, it won't get back on track overnight.


Completely missed the point ! It's GAME OVER ! THEY WON !
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Originally posted by dazbog
On youtube there is an excellent speech by Pres. Kennedy. He talks about the powers BEHIND the power ( not elected officials ). If you have the time, give it a listen. Then come back and tell me how my vote counts. Okay ?

I don't think I want you to vote, so why would I try and convince you?

Did you bother to read ANY of the link provided by frazzle ? I did, and although I do not agree with a lot of what I read, I did learn something. Did you take two mins. to watch the Kennedy statement ( which makes your OPINION on voting COMPLETELY MOOT ) I know you haven't ! You believe your opinion is the only one of worth ? How dare I suggest you watch a former President ( in essence ) state with authority your vote is of no consequence.
I can only assume your statements are youthful exuberance couched in the shadow of naive arguments.

reply to post by CalebRight14

If you think the system is flawed, and you are not happy with it, the worst thing you can do is to not vote.

And where has all this voting led us to as a nation?
To a fiat money system, 16 trillion dollars of debt and a country inching more towards socialism every day?

Go ahead and vote for Satan or Lucifer, if you think that will help things.
Meanwhile, try and prove that the votes are counted properly, and that the system isn't a complete sham.

reply to post by dazbog

Did you bother to read ANY of the link provided by frazzle ? I did, and although I do not agree with a lot of what I read, I did learn something.

Thank you for reading it, dazbog, you deserve recognition for that.

Believe me, there was a time when I wouldn't have agreed with some of the points made on that site, either, but after turning over a lot of big rocks to see what was under them, I now do.

Granted, having that point of view doesn't do much for one's popularity with almost any group of folks, so unless being a pariah is your goal in life, I wouldn't recommend doing the research because its impossible to un-know something ~ even if its for your own short term good.

reply to post by CalebRight14

Kudos to you on your comments, CalebRight14. People love to sit around and talk about how horrible our system is, yet they sit complacently as election day comes and goes without getting up off their a**es to visit the voting booths. This might not be a perfect form of government (understatement) but it's the only one we've got so if you're not going to participate in the election process, you have no one to blame but yourselves.