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Originally posted by IceFlower
reply to post by maxella1
How does this even make sense???????
if I was ATS I would deny your resignation because I want to see what makes you so sure about what happened on 9/11.
I've been a member since long before 2011 (the date that shows in my history) - I have not clue what you are talking about.
Be that as it may - i'm don with this site. thanks for the good times.
IceFlower
How did they KNOW the planes were going to be used as missiles? Cell phone calls, as always.... And most of us know all too well the problem with cell phone calls from high altitude at a good cruising speed. That problem doesn't exist today in all jets, but none of the 911 jets were equipped with that technology.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by JrDavis
Yes, they can. Granted aircraft aluminum has a tensile strength higher than some steels, but it's still just lightweight aluminum. Slam it into the ground, and it's going to come apart, and you're going to have very small pieces, depending on how it hits.
United 585, a Boeing 737-200
USAir 427, a Boeing 737-300
Both were caused by a rudder control unit freezing at altitude, and when the hot hydraulic fluid went through the valve, it caused a rudder reversal, which flipped both aircraft onto their back, and they slammed into the ground in a nose dive. Neither left very many larger parts behind, and nothing that you could recognize as being from a 737.
As for your link to the Iran crash, no, it shouldn't have left a similar debris field, because the ground it impacted was totally different than the ground that the Iranian plane hit. Harder ground, softer ground, a steeper angle, and lower angle, all of those affect your debris fields. Unless you take another 757, or something of similar size, and slam it into ground that's exactly the same, at the same speed, at the same angle, from the same altitude, you aren't going to recreate something similar. And even then you might not get a similar debris field.
The way I look at it is that they shot down the plane, but then they created a story that the passengers tried to take it back, so they could make a hero story out of an already tragic event....
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by jhn7537
The way I look at it is that they shot down the plane, but then they created a story that the passengers tried to take it back, so they could make a hero story out of an already tragic event....
Too many small variables for the gov to pull off successfully. Like the phone records on both the airlines and land lines. And the voice actors that sounded exactly like the passengers they portrayed. Just where would the gov get a good voice record of you on short notice?
Remember these are the same gov clowns that couldn't put two and two together just before the attack.
The same clowns that wasn't sure whos' in control "here at the white house".
The same clowns that said the air was safe when common sense says that breathing smoke from burning unknowns is a bad idea.
Nope, all the details (facts) of the 93 crash came out the day after and have held up for 10 years. The gov isn't that good.
Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by tanda7
Well, I for one believe you. It's much like the BBC reporting that WTC7 had collapsed whilst you could still see it standing in the background. It seems to me that on that day, the media were genuinely recieving this intel and reporting it as and when they heard it.
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by jhn7537
Nope, all the details (facts) of the 93 crash came out the day after and have held up for 10 years. The gov isn't that good.
Could have been a collaboration of foreign intelligence agencies. These intelligence agencies are capable of breaching the government and getting moles within the US government.
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by homervb
Could have been a collaboration of foreign intelligence agencies. These intelligence agencies are capable of breaching the government and getting moles within the US government.
So foreign agencies inserted false records into the airlines and local phone companies? And no one found out?
You are verging on a poor plot for a grade "B" movie.
You need to have your story match up with the known facts.
or
You need to disprove the known facts and "present and prove" new facts.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by jhn7537
Nope, all the details (facts) of the 93 crash came out the day after and have held up for 10 years. The gov isn't that good.
THANK YOU! This is exactly what I've been saying all along. An administration that couldn't even hand out bottles of water to hurricane victims in New Orleans or even expose a CIA agent without hordes of journalists tracking it back to them is supposed to have staged the most insanely complex and intricate conspiracy with the sheer perfection of coordination that rivalled a supernatural act, all without a microbe of evidence.
I'm sorry but this is stretching believability to absurd limits. Am I the only one who remembers this is the same gov't that once wanted to classify ketchup as a vegetable?
Originally posted by homervb
And this is the same government who started the Vietnam war with a false flag statement as well as letting Pearl Harbor happen. Are you forgetting that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was completely untrue and that this all came to light not too long ago?
I'm not one to say the government orchestrated 9/11 but the truth behind 9/11 is not what we've been told. As stated in another reply on this thread, how do you know these hijackers weren't being guided by foreign intelligence agencies? Look at the MOSSAD, they pretty much shadowed the hijackers from Florida all the way to New Jersey. There's even reports of the MOSSAD running the Hamburg cell in Germany where Atta came from. NONE of this has been brought to light. Care to speculate why?
Originally posted by homervb
And not to mention how the planes used in these attacks entered radar gaps which hid them from radar for a while. How the hell would these "al-qaeda hijackers" know this? They didn't have maps with them, nor did they have their "fuel calculators".
All this makes me very suspicious.