if you vote for Obama or Romney you're an idiot

I have a question for you.

In Saddam's Iraq, he held elections where 95% voted for him.
Now regardless of the reasons that most people voted for him out of fear, or that it was rigged....

Do you hold that those 5% that did not vote for Saddam were throwing out a wasted vote and that they should have voted for him?

Also, I do not find much difference between the elections Saddam held and the elections held in this country as witnessed by all voting for the 2 Wall Street Puppets thrown our way.

Saddam used Psychological Tactics involving fear.

In this country, they use Psychological Tactics as well in the Media using terms like the Lesser Evil, and that voting outside the 2 Party line, bought by the same banksters is insane

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by CaptAmerika

 

Well done you exercised your right to vote the way it was intended. To be honest there has never been a candidate I have completely agreed with most I didn’t like but like you choose the one that best represents your beliefs and feelings. I think too many people believe they have to love their candidate to vote for them. It isn’t like we are marrying them they aren’t even people I want to be friends with. I just want the one that best represents me as it was intended.

A star to you sir


I swear some people think its a relationship.

edit on 29-10-2012 by Grimpachi because: add and refrase

Originally posted by LiberLegit
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Besides being extremely vague and condescending do you have anything to actually say? I can't really get a grasp on what you're trying to say here.

What, it was just about as condescending as your own post, just thought I would reciprocate in kind.

To be blunt, I am agreeing with the OP, that most of you are idiots. Go ahead and say "I know it all", but isn't that what you and the other party faithful are telling us.

reply to post by jacobe001


I could see where your example and question would make sense and that place would be Iraq where you are making a comparison it seems however I am not voting in Iraq nor am I from there. If you are trying to say the US and Saddam Hussein era Iraq are the same then I have to completely disagree with you and making further comparisons between the two would be a complete intelligence failure. I cannot follow that kind of logic. There are many nations that have a similar election process to ours but your example is not one of them.

If you would like to address this seriously I think that would be great but I believe you were being at least a bit misleading with that scenario.

reply to post by Rastus3663

I don't make enough money to be a republican

Being a Republican is not about being "rich". It is about personal responsibility rather than living from the government teat. I'm lower middle class, and will never be rich. I am where I am becuase of my own efforts. If you are working on a Phd, you know full well what work feels like. If you don't want the fruits of that work distributed to some welfare queen, then you are already a Republican.

reply to post by Grimpachi


The only difference between most western elections, and Iraq, is the means of control. Sadam used the old fashioned, obvious, overt threat of violence to keep the control. Western elections just use more covert control mechanisms, they are control mechanisms none the less.

Thank You

You get it.

The means of control through Psychological Tactics used are different, as TKDRL pointed out, and you would be blind or obtuse, to deny that there is not Marketing and Psychological Propaganda not at work, where they want us to choose one or other that are part of the status quo, who also both serve the elite and not the American People.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

The only difference between most western elections, and Iraq, is the means of control. Sadam used the old fashioned, obvious, overt threat of violence to keep the control. Western elections just use more covert control mechanisms, they are control mechanisms none the less.

Thats not much of a solution.. Do nothing and somehow it will be better?

Originally posted by CalebRight14

Originally posted by Dishonored
Can someone just come out and say it already? I know I'm not the only one that thinks that WE THE PEOPLE have no choice in this election. Stay home folks. A vote for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul is a vote for the 2 party dictatorship. Stop playing their game. STAY. HOME.

I really have nothing else to say. This "election" is a complete joke. You have no choice.

You fell on your head a lot as a child didn't you?
This attitude is a lot of what is wrong with the country. I can't fix it myself so I'm not going to do anything. That's just brilliant. The country can get back on the right track, but it isn't going to happen by inaction.

Edit: the stars and flags for this thread just help me prove my point. We are becoming a great "Do nothing" country... Awesome.

edit on 30-10-2012 by CalebRight14 because: (no reason given)

You hit the nail on the head! People like the OP would rather set it out and let others lead him around as he does nothing! A star and flag for you for showing something rare on here: INTELLIGENCE!

Originally posted by Dishonored
Can someone just come out and say it already? I know I'm not the only one that thinks that WE THE PEOPLE have no choice in this election. Stay home folks. A vote for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul is a vote for the 2 party dictatorship. Stop playing their game. STAY. HOME.

I really have nothing else to say. This "election" is a complete joke. You have no choice.

My dead thread

I started a thread a few days ago that basically said what yours says. Except that I didn't state it nearly as blunt as you did. I said that I would be voting "none of the above". Well, since that isn't an option (except in Nevada), I too will be staying home on election day.

Wow, as of now, my thread has 0 stars and 0 flags. And I even included a few awesome links in my thread I guess a blunt, straight forward, thread title goes a long way.

:lesson learned

Anyway, I agree 100%. I will not vote for anyone whose intentions are not exclusively on what is best for "the people". And just by participating in the election process, you are giving a big THUMBS UP to it and all of its "parts". Not only do I not like the nominees, but I think the entire process is a joke (on us)

It's a smoke-and-mirrors facade intended to pull the wool over the eyes of all the sheeple. Blind, brainwashed and ignorant, we continue to drink the Kool-Aid and give our wrists for the slaughter.

So forget everything that you've ever been told and on this coming election day.... STAY HOME!!!

peace

Any vote for Romney or Obama is a vote of CONSENT. You are ALLOWING them to have power over you.

People say a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Obama or any vote not to Romney or Obama is a WASTED vote.

Well, newsflash...any vote for the two party system is a wasted vote, a vote against yourself and a vote against your family and their future.

Check out of the system, don't vote for vote for people who truly represent an end to the two party circus. Go third party.

I've been saying this for a while as it is so obvious, ATS has been hi-jacked (not intentionally) by the mainstream, its the flaw of getting popular and attracting duds.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Dishonored
Can someone just come out and say it already? I know I'm not the only one that thinks that WE THE PEOPLE have no choice in this election. Stay home folks. A vote for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul is a vote for the 2 party dictatorship. Stop playing their game. STAY. HOME.

I really have nothing else to say. This "election" is a complete joke. You have no choice.

you stay home....i'm going to vote for obama...in fact, all of you obama conspirecy nuts stay home, stay true to your convictions

What Obama conspiracy nuts?

You saying he didn't re-authorize the patriot act when he promised not to?

You saying he didn't sign the NDAA 2012, asking for indefinite provisions, saying he won't use them but appealing unconstitutional rulings and refuse to answer the judge whether he used them or not?

You saying he doesn't in fact use executive orders to override congress?

You saying he didn't in fact run ARMS to Mexican drug cartels?

Stop BSing yourself man, just stop it.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by OrchusGhule

Originally posted by Grimpachi
The mindset of the OP is sick and it’s catching. Seabag and I are pulling for different horses this race but I respect him for doing so. It isn’t that often we agree but I am with him on this.

Go ahead people stay home from the looks of it you would make the wrong choices anyway. Sit at home on your couch and be counted the same as non-citizens and convicts. They can’t vote and you’re just too apathetic to vote.

. Too pathetic to vote? What the hell does that even mean? Come on, that's a troll post if I've ever seen one and it has nothing to do with anything. Why is it assumed that if someone does not vote, that they are a lazy, good for nothing, couch potato?.

First recheck what I wrote then maybe you will understand.

Not pathetic but I guess it could apply here

The word is Apathetic if you are not familiar here is the definition.
1: having or showing little or no feeling or emotion : spiritless
2: having little or no interest or concern : indifferent
— ap•a•thet•i•cal•ly adverb
See apathetic defined for English-language learners »

As for the rest I stand by what I said. Perhaps as I said you would not be a good candidate to vote.

Do you SERIOUSLY think that people who don't vote or refuse to support status quo candidates are apathetic?

Do you not understand those who actually support and parrot party/media rhetoric are likely to be even worse?

Its just insane you are posting the very definition of 'apathetic' and dare to link the Romney plan in your signature.

Originally posted by wulff

Originally posted by CalebRight14

Originally posted by Dishonored
Can someone just come out and say it already? I know I'm not the only one that thinks that WE THE PEOPLE have no choice in this election. Stay home folks. A vote for Gary Johnson or writing in Ron Paul is a vote for the 2 party dictatorship. Stop playing their game. STAY. HOME.

I really have nothing else to say. This "election" is a complete joke. You have no choice.

You fell on your head a lot as a child didn't you?
This attitude is a lot of what is wrong with the country. I can't fix it myself so I'm not going to do anything. That's just brilliant. The country can get back on the right track, but it isn't going to happen by inaction.

Edit: the stars and flags for this thread just help me prove my point. We are becoming a great "Do nothing" country... Awesome.

edit on 30-10-2012 by CalebRight14 because: (no reason given)

You hit the nail on the head! People like the OP would rather set it out and let others lead him around as he does nothing! A star and flag for you for showing something rare on here: INTELLIGENCE!

Oh but you are so wrong. By "doing nothing", you are actually taking a stand. It makes perfect sense. You are merely refusing to play a game in which you can NEVER win. Seems logical, right? So then I ask you this; Isn't this game gettin a little old? Aren't you getting kind of sick of losing all the time? ... or maybe its just me..

So in essence, by continuing to play the "loser game", you are, in fact, endorsing it. Ensuring that the rules will NEVER be changed. And that, actually, you've become quite comfortable playing the role of the "loser". :bash:

....uummmm, no thanks. I think I'll just sit this one out.

Originally posted by Robert80
Thats not much of a solution.. Do nothing and somehow it will be better?

Well just look at where being proactive has gotten us???

Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar

The whole idea that he is a socialist, pinko, Commie is the biggest farce I have ever seen perpetrated.

reply to post by Grimpachi

 

I have made that judgement based upon who Obama hung out with, who visits the White House, and who he has on his staff. He is a pinko commie, and that is a fact.

You can cry the republican lie all you want, but I am not sure if you people actually believe it or its just a concerted effort. Obama has not nationalised a single thing and neither has any democrat ever in office. Do you even know what nationalising is?

A communist system is one identical to the ex soviet union where everything was planned out ahead of time and everyone worked for the state. No one could work for themselves as in capitalism or socialism. Communism a state run and planned economy 100%.

I don't care if the democrats get offended by your outright bull hockey, because it offends socialists and communists like me who actually do like such systems and want them. We get offended because you are slanderising ideas and misappropriating them to the wrong people for political gain. It is extremely dishonest of all right wingers, especially republicans.

Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

You are downright deceiving people, which is normal for right wingers.

You don't know what you are talking about, which is normal for leftist extremists. I bet I've lived a lot longer than you; and, therefore, have watched politics a lot longer. The leftists, having renounced religeon and ethics, are the first to lie, cheat, steal, and precipitate violence. You do know that the KKK was started by Democrats, don't you? When I observed the race riots in the 60s and 70s, it was ALWAYS the Democrats who were violent and trying to deprive blacks of their rights. The Republicans were foremost in fostering legislation that broke up segregation.

edit on 10/30/2012 by LifeIsPeculiar because: Fix spelling and omitted works. I have more thumbs than most people.

No. Pretty sure it was both republicans and democrats who hated minorities. The republicans more!

The last time republicans were really patriotic was back in the civil war era with abraham lincoln against the southern democrats who wanted to continue slavery.

Get a clue and stop with the extremist left bs. Even the party I support is not extreme left, much less the democrats who are center.

Originally posted by LifeIsPeculiar
reply to post by Rastus3663

 

I don't make enough money to be a republican

Being a Republican is not about being "rich". It is about personal responsibility rather than living from the government teat. I'm lower middle class, and will never be rich. I am where I am becuase of my own efforts. If you are working on a Phd, you know full well what work feels like. If you don't want the fruits of that work distributed to some welfare queen, then you are already a Republican.

Lots of people work hard but for whatever reason not everyone becomes rich and famous. It is like the nfl playoffs with lots of good teams eliminating each other out till we have a super bowl winner. This is exactly what capitalism without restraints is. It is social darwanism, except it has become corrupted via time to mean those with the most connections and lobby money get to write laws and have their way. I don't like social darwanism, much less the croney type.

Without social security, medicare and medicaid, state welfare.......millions who lost their jobs would be without food and shelter, without transportation, without clothes, TOTAL BUMS living on the sidewalks. And don't go with charity because charity can only contribute a reasonable amount based on how much the donors donate.

The solution is not to terminate social welfare so that we can help israel more and start world war 3 with russia and china who merely compete with us on a friendly basis, but to reform social welfare wherever it is necessary so that we can spend more on infrastructure projects.

And here is the thing. Only ron paul has been brave enough to talk about the federal reserve, despite the fact his diagnosis and intentions are wrong, but I guess we have to be happy that a republican mouthpiece even mentions the FED! It is like trying to get democrats to talk about ufos every once in a while....a bloody waste of time but hilarious.

reply to post by gladtobehere


Agreed. Americans have become so accustomed to voting 'against' one candidate or the other that they have no idea that the media has pulled the wool over their eyes with the 'wasted vote' mantra on a third party candidate. I, for one, will be voting FOR Gary Johnson.
Think about it Voter's. How bad can a third party candidate be? If we don't like him/her we can vote them out in four years. No different than what we have with the two major party's. Send a message that the DemiPub's can actually lose an election and things will definitely 'change' for the better. But keep voting for the same two over and over and expecting different results is, well, insanity.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by CaptAmerika

 

I swear some people think its a relationship.

edit on 29-10-2012 by Grimpachi because: add and refrase

Well, actually....

Boy meets girl. Boy is very friendly. He intently listens as the girl expresses her likes and dislikes, her needs and concerns. Boy seems to totally understand girl. He says the things that she has longed to hear. He promises her the Moon.

He swears that he is different than all the other boys. Those boys are bad. They only wanted one thing. But he, on the other hand, truly cares about her needs. He will protect her from evil and together overcome all obstacles.

He will remain by her side and united they will walk into the, suddenly, extremely bright future

A commitment is made. The boy and the girl are now living together.

Girl begins noticing a different side of boy. Boy doesn't pay as much attention to her as he used to.
More lies are told.
More promises broken.

Girl comes to the sobering realization that the boy she first met was nothing like the boy she now lives with.
This boy does nothing to help around the house. But she can't get rid of him due to the 4 year lease they cosigned.
This boy spends all of HER hard earned money on coc aine and prostitutes. But, unfortunately, they have a joint bank account.

If ever the girl begins to see through his facade and becomes aggitated, or confrontational, he is always able to smooth talk her back into conformity. And if that doesn't work, he drugs her.

When all is said and done, each time the girl is left a little more screwed up for the next sweet boy that comes along.

reply to post by Firewater


I thank you for your kind response, but I never intended this thread to become as big as it has. In fact, I'm amazed considering this was something I just had on my mind after a night out with a bit too much to drink lol.

Either way, the message (in my opinion) still stands. One does not go to Mcdonalds to eat pizza. If what you're looking for is not on the menu, you simply go elsewhere.