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Originally posted by mbkennel
Originally posted by pheonix358
Phage, your answers annoy me. You insist your answers are always right, sometimes they're not.
You know science well, but only accepted science. I understand with absolute clarity what some of the posters in this thread are getting at. If it was me, I would help them phrase their words better. You just shoot them down pointing out your superiority.
His knowledge of science is superior.
A poster points out that electricity and magnetism are the same thing. I agree with you ..... but!
So answer my questions, and yes, it does have a bearing on the possible uses of HAARP.
What force provides the energy for magnetism, gravity and electricity.
A force doesn't, on its own, provide energy for anything. Energy is a property of arrangements of matters and fields. It is a quantitative property which constrains the possible outcomes from the laws of physics.
"electricity" is a somewhat unclear concept to the layman. There are two separate components:
part A: charged particles of matter
part B: electric and magnetic fields which exist everywhere in space and time.
The motion of charged particles of matter in A create the electric and magnetic fields. Electric and magnetic fields themselves exert forces on charged particles.
"electricity" in common human usage is the motion of charged particles (current), usually contained in a metallic wire. The generating apparatus induces electric fields which point through the wire which cause acceleration of certain electrons in the wire, causing current.
In a physical electromagnetic system consisting of fields and particles, the total energy is the sum of both the kinetic energies of the moving particles, interaction of the particles's spin with the fields, plus the energy in the free-space fields.
What allows electrons to spin in perpetual motion.
Lack of any physical interactions which change it to zero.
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Originally posted by SpittinTruth
Stop trying to TWIST everything i said, to benefit your willful IGNORANCE. The air IS A CONDUCTOR, whether it be for electricity or sound or frequencies. If it were such a "poor conductor".....we wouldn't have WIRELESS. Are you telling me, that the wireless signals, bounced from station to station is more powerful than lightening?
Originally posted by SwissMarked
Want to know the easiest way to tell you're on to something...
Phange shows up... THE END...
Originally posted by pheonix358
Is it so hard? Is it so hard to admit that we just don't bloody know?
A really good answer in science is
WE DO NOT KNOW
We don't know why electrons wizz around protons in spit of ripping molecules apart and rearranging them to form other bonds. We don't know how gravity works, we have no idea. Our understanding of electricity is nowhere as complete as some of you seem to believe.
Can matter be changed by application of a frequency delivered in a medium? Yes it can.
Is HAARP this goody gumdrops type of installation working to better mankind and bake apple pies? No, it is not.
I am sick to death of science that is:
Still in the 18th century
Bought and paid for by Multinationals. (Tobacco is safe! Sure it is)
Controlled by Governments for the manufacture of bigger and bigger weapons!
By the way, half an answer is not better than none. You skipped the hard questions
P
Originally posted by Vandettas
reply to post by Phage
You can technically be right 100% of the time. You're research can be full-proof, you're math can be correct on every point, and you're knowledge of anything based on evidence (text-books, papers) can be right only to an extent.
HAARP does schedule open houses, thats already known. This is where things can go wrong : HAARP has hidden technology underground, hidden rooms, hidden devices, top-notch scientists you've never heard of or will ever be able to see, and also is capable of weather manipulation. These are all hypotheticals by the way. The problem lies in you only knowing what you are allowed to know. You can't go and get 20 other people and start digging a tunnel toward the HAARP facility, and you can't be 100% sure that all the papers published through HAARP are the truth.
From you're stand-point, you're right. From another, wrong.
Say I published a paper on how I take a shower everyday.
You look at the papers, and you know this now.
Who says I will take a shower everyday though? The research shows I will, of course.
What if one day I don't want to? It would be impossible for you to know
unless you stayed by my side 24/7.
Its a really bad argument depending on what you're debating about, but this is the "Conspiracy Side". You haven't seen every room in HAARP, you haven't seen whats under HAARP, if there is anything. You haven't levitated above HAARP or built along side the scientists that built the facility to see what it is actually capable of. You're knowledge is based off what you're ALLOWED to know.
Don't get me wrong, you're right, and anyone who doesn't see that is pretty loco. But as far as the conspiracy side goes, you're wrong on all counts. You're text-book knowledge won't cut it if you're not God...Which I don't believe in.
Originally posted by pheonix358
reply to post by SpittinTruth
I disagree! They don't know, that is the problem! Phage has no real idea of what happens up at HAARP. But he is quite willing to come here and tell others that HAARP is only for this or that.
I would much prefer answers that start with "When I was there for a tour ..." or "The literature that I have studies shows that ...."
Instead peoples ideas and concepts are put down, time and time again. He still hasn't answered my questions.
OMG! I must not be worthy! ROFL
P:
Viewzone also asked the inventor, Dr. Bernard Eastlund, about his technology.
If successful, it might be possible to prevent the formation of destructive tornadoes. This could be a very positive outgrowth of my original work. Further extrapolations of the technology may also be useful in hurricane mitigation.
The concept is called the Thunderstorm Solar Power Satellite. I presented a paper entitled, "Systems Considerations of Weather Modification Experiments Using High Power electromagnetic Radiation" at the "Workshop on Space Exploration and Resources Exploitation-Explospace 20-22 October, 1998, Cagliari, Sardinia, Italy.
Originally posted by SwissMarked
Want to know the easiest way to tell you're on to something...
Phange shows up... THE END...
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
i was going to post and ask what harp status was and what the map means but i went and looked it up myself
...
HaarpStatus.com is a real-time sensor network from over 28 sensors placed in rural areas across the United States. The sensors can detect the HAARP frequency on the ionosphere. Monitors plasma and ions in the atmosphere trying to predict extreme weather anomalies, and solar radiation effects
Strongest readings in the history of this project have peaked. A never before seen white-shade indicates that a value higher than 10 on the 1-10 scale has been indicated. It has no color assigned!
Originally posted by TitanBCE
When referring to the sharp turn to the west, I heard a TWC meteorologist say "We honestly have never seen this before with a system that originates in the tropics."