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Originally posted by Amanda5
What I find interesting is that the frequencies that are projected can just stop within a particular layer of the atmosphere. It is like suggesting that when I breathe out what I exhale will not penetrate every layer of air in front of me.
I would have thought that the frequency would just keep going unless it hit a boundary. It does not make sense to me that a frequency can only penetrate a layer of the atmosphere and just stop there - without hitting a brickwall as it were.
Anyone get why I don't believe that HAARP is a safe and scientifically controlled technology?
Uploaded the fulltext of 1962 paper here, 974KB pdf
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Originally posted by Amanda5
reply to post by charlyv
Love your questions and answers. What I find interesting is that the frequencies that are projected can just stop within a particular layer of the atmosphere. It is like suggesting that when I breathe out what I exhale will not penetrate every layer of air in front of me.
Perhaps a better example would be to suggest that the frequencies emitted by HAARP just instinctively know when to stop and remain in a particular layer of our atmosphere. I would have thought that the frequency would just keep going unless it hit a boundary. It does not make sense to me that a frequency can only penetrate a layer of the atmosphere and just stop there - without hitting a brickwall as it were.
It is the same as the transmission of our mobile phones and television - the frequency keeps going until it hits the intended boundary/receptor. Anyone get what I am trying to describe? Anyone get why I don't believe that HAARP is a safe and scientifically controlled technology?
Much Peace...
Originally posted by pianopraze
Originally posted by delusion
But manipulating things on this scale to cause major death destruction and disruption, just in order to increase control and to profiteer? That's cartoon-level villiany, and just does not exist.
Really?
You ever follow what say... George Sorros does?
Evil this bad does exist.
Waves in this frequency range have an interesting property: They're absorbed by water, fats and sugars. Once absorbed, they're converted directly into atomic motion -- heat. These waves boast another interesting, related property, too: They're not absorbed by most plastics, glass or ceramics. Metal reflects microwaves, which is why metal pans don't work well in a microwave oven. It's also why the devices have metal walls -- for reflection.
Bulk metals (such as aluminum foil and solid steel) at room temperature reflect microwaves due to low penetration depth, setting up a high voltage between the metal and the magnetron. When this voltage surpasses a threshold, it discharges as a visible spark.
So glad you used microwaves as an example - you could not be further from the truth. For starters read the instruction booklet that comes with a microwave - it states very clearly - DO NOT STAND IN FRONT WHILE OPERATING. Why would that be? The microwaves are coming straight at you.
Old or faulty door seals are the most common causes of microwave radiation leakage. Mechanical abuse, a build-up of dirt, or simple wear and tear of continued use can cause door seals to be less effective. Theoretically, there will be small amounts of leakage through the viewing glass but measurements have shown this to be insignificant.
www.ccohs.ca...
Originally posted by paradism
The obvious parallels between the novel Frankenstein and the nickname "Frankenstorm" are very interesting also.
Your array would need to be far too large to pack around on a sub, or for that matter, an aircraft carrier. The frequency the array uses is related to the size of the individual antennas in the array.
Further, the overall size of the array compared to the frequencies you're using sets the beam size and deflection angle.
You can't, however, use those frequencies for ionospheric bounce. This is why HAARP has such a large antenna farm.
How much ocean water is contributing the thermal energy to run the storm? THAT's the issue here. Not how hot the hurricane is in itself.
You can't refract microwaves off the ionosphere. See also: MUF.
No, no, that's not what's studied there. Whether it will refract is straightforward physics, known long before HAARP.
The one where the array is sized proportionally to the frequency used
A submarine doesn't have a lot of room to house 100 MW of HF transmitter, much less the antenna farm for it.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Bedlam
A submarine doesn't have a lot of room to house 100 MW of HF transmitter, much less the antenna farm for it.
Unless it's superconductive, that is.
100MW of transmitter will still consume a far greater space than what is available, regardless of how small the antenna is.
Also...Super-conducting antenna arrays work in the THz band..........Quite a "ways" from the HF bandwidth that HAARP utilises.
Russia’s Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics located in Irkutsk reported recently that their Siberian Solar Radio Telescope (SSRT) detected a ‘massive’ ultra low frequency (ULF) ‘blast’ emanating from Latitude: 45° 00′ North Longitude: 93° 15′ West.
ULF is the frequency range between 300 Hertz and 3 kilohertz. It is often used in mine and submarines communications, as it can penetrate earth and water.
The time and location of the ULF ‘blast’ detected coincides exactly with the time and locations of the tragic collapse of a nearly 2,000 foot long the Interstate 35W Bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota that killed at least a dozen people and seriously injured many others.
Originally posted by mrdeadfolx
I thought since this is a discussion on ULF/ELF radio emissions, this may prove relevant.
Russia’s Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics located in Irkutsk reported recently that their Siberian Solar Radio Telescope (SSRT) detected a ‘massive’ ultra low frequency (ULF) ‘blast’ emanating from Latitude: 45° 00′ North Longitude: 93° 15′ West.
ULF is the frequency range between 300 Hertz and 3 kilohertz. It is often used in mine and submarines communications, as it can penetrate earth and water.
The time and location of the ULF ‘blast’ detected coincides exactly with the time and locations of the tragic collapse of a nearly 2,000 foot long the Interstate 35W Bridge in Minneapolis, Minnesota that killed at least a dozen people and seriously injured many others.
Here's the link if you're interested www.dailygalaxy.com...
According to this posting ( educate-yourself.org... ), this is a hoax and the SSRT reported no such ULF blast.
Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
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Super-conductive antenna arrays.
Booyah.
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Areas of study
development of a method based on the research OT rapid variations of the signal structure
decameter radio wave propagation in the real Earth-ionosphere waveguide
ionosphere sounding by HP and Propagation meter range
Experimental studies of ionospheric disturbances of natural and man-made and transionospheric UHF propagation by processing data from the global network of dual-frequency receiver navigation system GPS-GLONASS.