Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Well..we could look at it this way...Maybe Obama is telling the truth. Maybe he didn't know squat. Maybe, his own administration thinks he's so damn dumb, and out of the loop, they don't tell him anything, because it's a waste of their time.

Yeppers...that's the *only* way Obama is telling the truth.

Not exactly my idea of a Commander and Chief...nor my President.

Des

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That's why I asked...who is Commander in Chief?
Obama certainty doesn't act like he is in charge.

Maybe since he blows off going to the security briefings, his people figure he doesn't care to know whats going on.
[actions speak louder than words, some times.....]

Just saying.....

Why is Obama skipping more than half of his daily intelligence meetings?

During his first 1,225 days in office, Obama attended his PDB just 536 times — or 43.8 percent of the time. During 2011 and the first half of 2012, his attendance became even less frequent — falling to just over 38 percent.

By contrast, Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush almost never missed his daily intelligence meeting.

Hmmmm.....sounds like he's got our security in his best interest. Good to know he cares....


www.washingtonpost.com...

Imagine waking in the middle of the night and a group of thugs is trying to tear your door down.

You call the cops, the sheriff... they refuse to respond because they aren't sure as to what is going on.

You then call the mayor.. "We are under attack, I can see them and we are shinning flash lights on them so you can see and respond and protect us."

The mayor orders the cops to stand down and refuses help.

The thugs break in and kill the people inside the house.

Later, the mayor says the thugs were vegetarians that were "infuriated" by a carved pumpkin in the front yard and repeats the story for two weeks as does the staff, mayor's office, and law enforcement.

This is pretty much what is unfolding before us as the facts come out.

Obama left these people out to hang and they were killed, nothing short of criminal and treasonous at the very least.

Petraeus is not throwing Obama under the bus, he may very well be telling the truth... and his devotion to those citizens and his concious may finally be outweighing his devotion to Obama.

If I saw a house burning and heard people crying out for help and I had a phone to call help... and did not do it, denied help, watched them burn... and actually filmed it... that would be criminal.

That is nothing short of what Obama did. Even if he didn't... he lied about it. He lied about it... he had a staff and people in his administration lie about it.

I am starting to think that in fact, based on some of what I am reading, there was more going on here than meets the eye and certainly more criminal.

Was the ambassador trading guns from the US to Muslim Extremists... and a gun deal went bad and the Jihadists retaliated and tried to "burn" the Americans...? How would that read in the morning headlines?

"Obama sending arms to Muslim Jihadists"

That would be motivation to lie about all the rest.

Here's snips of the letter from Boehner to Obama. Everyone will throw Obama under the bus when the WHOLE truth comes out. THIS IS ABOUT DERELICTION OF DUTY by the current POTUS and his administration. If that happens to be Obama who is inept, well then, if the shoe fits, wear it! I would say, “hey, don’t take it personal,” except for the fact it IS personal. It’s also a direct reflection of Obama’s lack of experience, leadership and direction. He can’t blame it on Bush. And if he goes the route about how he didn’t know, it further emphasizes his incompetence. HE OWNS THIS.

As Rumsfield stated: Obama didn’t fulfil responsibilities in Libya where there were clear threats, and other embassies saw the threats and moved out.

www.weeklystandard.com...
Speaker of the House John Boehner has written a letter to President Barack Obama to ask for a public explanation of what happened at the American consulate in Benghazi, Libya.
*snip*
"I respectfully request that you, as our country’s President and Commander-in-Chief, publicly address the following questions and concerns that are on the minds of many of our fellow Americans," writes Boehner:

*snip*
The National Security Council staff receives significant amounts of raw information and intelligence from throughout the government on a daily basis, and significant and urgent items are flagged for senior White House policymakers. It is clear that information now in the public domain contradicts how you and senior Administration officials consistently described the cause and nature of the terrorist attack in the days and weeks immediately following. Why did the Administration fail to account for facts that were known at the time?
*snip*

Many Americans are frustrated and alarmed to read news that agencies appear to have better access to the site of the attack and to individuals of interest than the Administration.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by snarky412

 

Now their stories don't jive with the facts.

A lot of ugly facts that came out today.

According to the latest reports, the President was in a meeting with the Secretary of Defense one hour and twenty minutes after the attack began... the attack lasted SEVEN HOURS. Keep in mind that the four people that died were killed SIX HOURS after the attack began. The coded flash messages were sent out at the very beginning of the attack. One would have to be a fool to believe that the President was not aware of what was happening while he was in that meeting. Real time video was available of the attack while he was in the meeting.

It is possible that he wasn't informed of the security issues before the attack. When the embassy flash messages went out at the beginning of the attack and then confirmed within minutes, he was most certainly made aware. The result was that the people under fire were refused help. The CIA employees that requested permission to assist the personnel at the consulate were denied that permission repeatedly. Four of those employees disobeyed those orders and went to the consulate to assist. Several were killed in their heroic attempt, but consulate employees were saved and rescued through their efforts.

Watching Fox News live, I heard them say that one hour and twenty minutes after the attack at Benghazi started, the President was in a meeting with the Secretary of Defense and National Security advisor. There were live video feeds of the attack available at the time. They are reporting that the drones were over the scene shortly after the attacks began. They were in the air in the area at the time, and were redirected to the consulate for recon.

There were AC130 Spectre gunships available nearby, personnel at the consulate were illuminating enemy targets with lasers to facilitate an accurate strike by the gunship...... They were refused assistance.

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So, we simply check the WH logs of where Obama was scheduled to be/see at that time and also where the Sec. of Defense was supposed to be. If both were off schedule, then that tells us more about the big lie.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by snarky412

 

Yeah, maybe he can give a news conference on Comedy Central.

I'm not counting on any news conferences with him behind the podium anytime soon.

The only podium these clowns will be standing behind is a witness stand at their trials.

Right now I am waiting to see it Hilary takes another, but larger bullet for Obama. I feel doing such is demeaning to all woman. Like they should stand by their man. I really don't think a man would do this.

Something inside me says she is having a difficult time making this decsion. But if she thinks like the average woman, her moral fiber may make the truth come out. Woman really do think differently than men. Hilary, stand up for yourself! Please! For all woman!

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by snarky412

 

Just remember...as we are finding out how inept our own Government is...so is the rest of the World.

Des

Sorry but I must rebut that statement.
The rest of the world already knows.
That's why they like it.

reply to post by Destinyone


The President of the United States is "just the face" of the country. The position is meant more for looks than actual work. Neither Democratic or Republican Presidents have actually made a hill of beans difference. The President "can" make suggestions, but everything needs approval of the Congress, House and Military before things get moving along.

Plus any hardcore ATSer knows that the CIA doesn't answer to the President, it is the other way around.

Sadly, innocents are always the casualties that bring the horrors of this world to the forefront. Most people here in America don't even comprehend the troubled waters in other countries.

It is obvious that ALL the branches of our gov't screwed up this one, and no one person CAN (or could) take blame for what has happened. But I am sure many of us can wonder whether this is something that was "planned" to put something sinister in motion

The U.S.and the U.K. have been creating "shady" dealings with Libya for over 50 years.

reply to post by funnychick


Then...I think you need to let Obama know this. He can put his Executive Order pen away now....

The fact of the matter is, whatever he decides he wants in play, if no one else agrees with him, he signs another executive order to *make it so*....

Des

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by funnychick

 

Then...I think you need to let Obama know this. He can put his Executive Order pen away now....

The fact of the matter is, whatever he decides he wants in play, if no one else agrees with him, he signs another executive order to *make it so*....

Des

Hey, if Obama really isn't in charge, think we can get the NDAA null and void ?????

[there is such a thing as wishful thinking... ]

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by snarky412

 

Just remember...as we are finding out how inept our own Government is...so is the rest of the World.

Des

The rest of the world has known for sometime now...

Originally posted by funnychick
reply to post by Destinyone

 

The President of the United States is "just the face" of the country. The position is meant more for looks than actual work. Neither Democratic or Republican Presidents have actually made a hill of beans difference. The President "can" make suggestions, but everything needs approval of the Congress, House and Military before things get moving along.

Sorry Des, have to disagree big time. Claiming the POTUS is a helpless, spineless puppet is just not true. They're not just a face. People need to remember that a POTUS has Executive Order power. It has been used by Washingtion, Obama and many presidents in between. If anyone would like to see what the current and past presidents have done with their executive power, then check out the link below.

www.archives.gov...

reply to post by snarky412

The White House could have put a stop to this from day 1

Ok, you go ahead and tell us all the "truth".

Please back up everything you tell us with official releases from US intelligence agencies.


I think what you and others don't get is that the investigation is still ongoing, the "truth" is not yet known. Obama has been giving the American public the current intelligence assessment that he has.

The only mistake Obama made was thinking Americans would be more interested in knowing the best current assessment the intelligence community is giving him rather than trying to use dead Americans as political pawns.

Here's the full statement made by that spokesman of the CIA:

In response, CIA spokesperson Jennifer Youngblood said, “We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.”

abc news

This statement confirms my disgust at FOX, The Blaze et al, because those sources in an effort to make Obama and the State Department look bad and incompetent, deny the heroism of the Americans who risked their lives to save the four that died as well the ones on scene, who didn't die. These claims by sources such as the OP's also send a message to those that would do us harm, that we are vulnerable.

Can you imagine networks such as Al-Qaeda sitting back reading FOX and laughing at how grossly negligent the US is toward our Diplomats? I can only imagine that thousands of light bulbs went off in the heads of our enemies.

This effort to use this tragedy to smear Obama's Administration is just completely reckless and it is cruel to the families of the victims, it is cruel to American's in general. FOX and Beck and way too many on the Right are way too willing to disparage patriotic Americans if it makes Obama look bad... and their is no doubt in my mind that they would sht on the Flag if they could make Obama look responsible for it.

Jesus we get it.

The White House was receiving lots of info regarding the incident in real time, and they didn't respond properly.

Can you please stop using dead people as a political tool? It's extremely tasteless and reeks of desperation.

Please. We are all Americans and frankly, you're barking up a tree that will yield no fruit and only makes you look hypocritical and belligerent.


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reply to post by Kali74
Obama left his spokespersons go on for two weeks that the terrorist attack at Benghazi was only a protest against a video, when he knew very well that this wasn't true.

Why did he let that happen?

Now that new questions have been raised, he can't say anything about it. Now, they have no answers. I am not talking about what the CIA released in an official statement, I am talking about the facts, like the fact that the attack was known about in the White House shortly after it began. The people that died were killed SIX HOURS after the attack began.

There are legitimate questions that need to be answered by the administration. Immediately after it had happened, they had no problem placing a smear on the video when they knew that it was a calculated terrorist attack, using automatic weapons, RPG's and mortars. Now they can't answer any questions.

I am not comfortable with that.

reply to post by butcherguy


No. The position was that the attack took advantage of the protests over the video.

reply to post by Kali74

And there was NO protest outside the consulate! They knew that from the start!

Don't forget that little gem.

It took Fema five days to get water to the Superdome when hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans but everyone expects a 911 call to be answered in a third world country.

Whoops, I thought. Sorry.

reply to post by butcherguy


I don't think they knew that at the start. Or for even days later.
The intelligence coming in was conflicting.