MS Windows Code Automatically Corrupts Itself to Force You to Upgrade!!!???

reply to post by beyondsense


Yes it does. I know someone who attempted to get rid of Norton so as to get a better antivrius program. The moment it was gone, Norton sent her a virus. Completely unprotected, her computer was got hit - hard.

Windows had an update a few years ago that was actually a virus, forcing you to either buy new software, new hardware, or a new computer entirely. Computers are actually designed to last no more than 4 years in their prime. They have to make money somehow, and like McDonald's, they have no problem playing dirty to milk every last dime.

Switch to Linux or Ubuntu. I'm a fan of Windows, but those other two are less prone to viruses because fewer people use them. Also, people are free to play around with them more, so as to create more sophisticated (hence more resilient) systems.

Good luck!

No.

I've had the joy of being in the field of computer IT support for a long time, like many who have posted here. I personally hate Bill Gates and I hope his NWO-butt-kissing behind gets hit by a Mack truck, and then he gets a deadly shot in the arm from his own foundation whilst on the recovery bed. BUT, Microsoft in general is actually making an effort to be useful. The support of other companies for MS products is what makes it sensible. XP is still supported! It came out a loooong time ago, and yet here we are, fully able to use it today.

"On April 8, 2014, Microsoft will also no longer provide Extended Support for XP"

Now unofficially, it is good to jump to a new OS far ahead of that.

Think about what Apple has done to their first iPad customers. 2 years later, and they are screwed.

I've tried Linux in many different iterations. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, OpenSUSE, and Mint. Of those, Mint provided me at least a decent experience. BUT, not one of them supports the business my customers are in (the auto repair industry), so I bit the bullet and bought into Win7 eventually. For someone like me, trying to pop into command line just to get something done is a total BS way to handle things. I gave the penguin a try, but honestly this isn't 1991 and I'm not into remembering sudo-makemeasandwich commands, so there.


Now, back to it. Win8 is awesome. I've been fooling with the developer preview for some time, and I love it. Sure, its different. So was going from DOS to Windows in the first place. But just like that change, you can easily stick with what you love instead of having to embrace Win8's major differences. You can stay in desktop 99.9% of the time, and simply get the Start Page to pop up when you need to launch something, and then come back out of it. Doing this gives me everything I love about XP and 7, but I still get the added security Win8 provides by operating largely with sandbox-style behavior and having the random memory address allocations, viruses will have a harder time ruining it.

Let's not forget that Win8 has one of the easiest ways to restore itself, and promises to be able to rid itself of bloat-ware that a 3rd party supplier may stack on it. Lets also not forget that full backwards-compatibility remains. Finally, it runs on well-equipped Win XP machines, and runs FASTER. You simply cannot do better than that.

Too many people hating on it, when the differences are simply not that great. Tap your "windows" key on your keyboard, and instantly access your apps and programs. Hmmm, yeah that works!


In regards to the OP statement and insinuation, I simply do not agree. I could totally see a company doing what you are suggesting, but I don't notice a change in performance as time goes on. I keep CCleaner on my machines and keep that registry in good shape, defrag when its a good idea, and remove clutter where possible. The result is a pretty snappy little box. Really what slows them down is all the new versions of supporting software, which are optimized more and more for higher power machines. Only now since the advent of 8 being designed as a tablet-capable OS (and thus a battery and memory-conserving one) have we seen a backwards trend in resource hogging.

And to me, for $60, that's pretty darn awesome.


Edit: Hell, Win8 actually WANTS me to have a faster experience. Just recently it popped up after bootup stating that a few things were slowing it down, and showed me what it was, how bad of an impact it had, and how to disable it upon startup. Holy crap, show me another version of Windows which has the balls to do this.

Originally posted by beyondsense
Hard-drive has already been replaced twice. Again, this isn't an isolated issue, it has happened with nearly every machine I have bought. And something that I noticed too, after installing a required update or patch, a few weeks later, new problems start to "appear" out of nowhere. I have since disabled the automatic updates from all the PCs I have owned and thus have experienced fewer problems.

Then something is wrong with the way you are using it. You need to re-install windows if you aren't knowledgeable about getting rid of viruses.

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Fun conspiracy theory and entirely possible. I am used to thinking it's simply "bad design", the ever-increasing entangled web that is trying to run Windows for six months to a year+ (I always end up formatting and starting fresh after comparable amounts of time) -- this is far more true if a casual/"click whatever"-user, but it's def. possible. I think such an intentional behavior as you described would have been uncovered/discovered by hackers at this point.

Microsoft has not put users first by dictating "good etiquette" for programs/substantial sandboxing to enforce such policies. Far too many programs in Windows want to (insist quite often) be "your go to program for everything *something*", putting their launch icons in multiple places (competing for your attention a lot like ads), installing startup processes with you really wanting them to (slowing your startup/etc. speed), the list goes on. Garbage really.

I remember loading Windows 95 from twenty-five 3 1/2 inch diskettes, now that was fun, lol. As systems get older they inevitably develop a wide range of issues. Everything from HDD failures (bad sectors, clusters, etc.), bad memory (RAM), or even software issues (drivers, etc). None of this is the fault of the user. As new devices come to the market, also comes new software, drivers, etc. These don't always play nice with an existing OS. One of the main reasons Vista was a flop was because very few people knew how create drivers for it.
I went from windows XP to windows 7 without a hitch. It even works on older systems. But then again you do have to boost the hardware specs on these systems.

Originally posted by beyondsense
Hard-drive has already been replaced twice. Again, this isn't an isolated issue, it has happened with nearly every machine I have bought. And something that I noticed too, after installing a required update or patch, a few weeks later, new problems start to "appear" out of nowhere. I have since disabled the automatic updates from all the PCs I have owned and thus have experienced fewer problems.

Sometimes I really got to wonder, whenever I use a windows machine the HD is ALWAYS busy, doing virus scan updates, windows updates, loading viruses, sending personal info to govt?, etc.

With Linux (Ubuntu) it is fairly quiet, only spins up when an update comes.

And whenever I have corruption, or 'hanging chads' or it just is outdated OS or bits of data cause malfunction, which does happen way less than when I had XP many moons ago.
Well, when that happens, I clear a partition, load up the latest Ubuntu Linux and transfer my 'home' partition over onto my 7 year old box.
And it's FREE!
NO CHARGE!
I don't have to BUY buy a bloated piece of **** from M$.

If more people switched to Linux, we'd have everything that M$ does including all the games, simply because of increased use and popular demand.
I don't know why people don't try out Linux, it's not for nerds anymore.

Before you buy Windows, try Linux, it's free and you have nothing to lose.

PS, in 7 years I have run NO, Ad software, anti-virus programs, or whatever that stuff was.
It really frees you up to use your computer instead of maintaining protection software.

reply to post by fourthmeal


Fanboy B.S.; eff Windows 8. Get ready for the negative press onslaught.

Originally posted by fourthmeal

I've tried Linux in many different iterations. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Debian, OpenSUSE, and Mint. Of those, Mint provided me at least a decent experience. BUT, not one of them supports the business my customers are in (the auto repair industry), so I bit the bullet and bought into Win7 eventually. For someone like me, trying to pop into command line just to get something done is a total BS way to handle things. I gave the penguin a try, but honestly this isn't 1991 and I'm not into remembering sudo-makemeasandwich commands, so there.

When was the last time you used it, like 5 years ago?
I rarely if ever use the command line, unless it's just easier, like when someone provides a command line on a forum.
Copy, Paste and Voila!
You don't have to find a download page, but like M$ you can find one if you prefer.

You Sir, Or Madame sound like a M$ Fanboy, or girl.
Don't support the behemoth.

I have to agree with Toadmund. Ubuntu is a good OS if you have the programming/diagnostic skills. Unfortunately, the vast portion of the population does not. Still saying it's a good OS, lol. Used it many times, even though I had to do alot of research on the commands, it's an OS that many non-IT people would not understand or have the patience to deal with. Still good though and I think there are versions of Linux you can buy as well (RedHat Linux)
I've heard Linux compared like this:

Windows is like buying a car fully assembled (even though there are going to be recalls, lol), Linux is like buying the parts for your car and putting it together yourself.

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We in the repair business call this effect "Windows Rot." Windows, by default, remembers EVERYTHING. Cookies, HTML web pages, urls typed, history, and any and all temporary files. Go to "Internet Options," and disable 3rd party cookies, then go to "Advanced," and click the boxes for "Do not Save Encrypted Files to Disc," and "Empty Temp files Upon Exit. Search for "Cookies," and when you find the folder, select all and delete. Do not use Internet Explorer, use Firefox or another stand alone browser.

Its no conspiracy. Microsoft is just that #ty at coding. Infact internet explorer 2.0 crashed windows 3.11 out to a dos prompt constantly.

The conspiracy is forced obsolescence though. Why does windows need so damn much power and hard drive space just to run? Its a freakin operating system.

Originally posted by RedShirt73
I have to agree with Toadmund. Ubuntu is a good OS if you have the programming/diagnostic skills. Unfortunately, the vast portion of the population does not. Still saying it's a good OS, lol. Used it many times, even though I had to do alot of research on the commands, it's an OS that many non-IT people would not understand or have the patience to deal with. Still good though and I think there are versions of Linux you can buy as well (RedHat Linux)
I've heard Linux compared like this:

Windows is like buying a car fully assembled (even though there are going to be recalls, lol), Linux is like buying the parts for your car and putting it together yourself.

edit on 26-10-2012 by RedShirt73 because: (no reason given)

But I don't agree with you, sorry 'bout that.
I don't have programming or diagnostic skillz, and I make out alright and have no problem using Ubuntu.

Stop spreading dis-info, PLEASE! You make people afraid to try something they may like, and find easier to use than they have been led to believe.
Linux has grown up.

Originally posted by Toadmund

Originally posted by RedShirt73
I have to agree with Toadmund. Ubuntu is a good OS if you have the programming/diagnostic skills. Unfortunately, the vast portion of the population does not. Still saying it's a good OS, lol. Used it many times, even though I had to do alot of research on the commands, it's an OS that many non-IT people would not understand or have the patience to deal with. Still good though and I think there are versions of Linux you can buy as well (RedHat Linux)
I've heard Linux compared like this:

Windows is like buying a car fully assembled (even though there are going to be recalls, lol), Linux is like buying the parts for your car and putting it together yourself.

edit on 26-10-2012 by RedShirt73 because: (no reason given)

But I don't agree with you, sorry 'bout that.
I don't have programming or diagnostic skillz, and I make out alright and have no problem using Ubuntu.

Stop spreading dis-info, PLEASE! You make people afraid to try something they may like, and find easier to use than they have been led to believe.
Linux has grown up.

Totally agree. most or these people have never even tried linux. Infact android phones run linux. Distributions exist that are as easy to install/use as windows.

My grandma knows nothing about computers and always said linux is only good for programming! Wtf? Lol.....

LOL at the haters on me, I'm just being real about my personal experience and I have professional experience in this field, so I feel qualified to at least share. Has Win8 raped and pillaged your little town or something? Come on...

Show me a Linux distro that can properly support the customers I have and I'll listen. Yes, I gave up on Linux about 4 years ago. I got a copy of Win7 with a laptop I bought, loved it, and haven't looked back since.

For the record, I used to build and maintain computers for a sidejob, you know, when the whole initial collapse of our economy in 2008 happened. They initially all got Linux distros, and I lavished my customers (who were friends, family, friends of family, and friends of friends of family) on the positives of Linux. I quickly grew tired of having to explain command line to them, or text them a command chain to get something to properly install if it wasn't already in the repository. Or, they'd cry out that a program they wanted wasn't available and I'd have to figure out how to emulate it. Psshhhh. One by one I slowly started switching them to Win7, Avast, Openoffice, and Ccleaner and showed them how to use those, and I didn't have to support them anymore. It was self-sustaining, like it should be.

Droid and Linux devices do not properly support the necessary plugins I need, which is mainly in-line PDF viewing which is an integral part of the auto repair industry software my customers and I use every single day. Adobe doesn't make them for it, and no other solution in the repositories exist. Emulation doesn't work. Chrome for Linux even fails to make it work, which is a total shock because you'd think that would.

I defy someone to try Win8 and stick with it for a week straight, and tell me they do not appreciate it. My guess is after a short acclimation period you'll change your tune for the better.

Not saying people shouldn't try Linux, lol. I did and it wasn't my cup of tea. Sorry, I didn't mean touch a nerve, lol. I forgot how defensive we IT people get with regards to our systems and software, lol.

Originally posted by RedShirt73
Not saying people shouldn't try Linux, lol. I did and it wasn't my cup of tea. Sorry, I didn't mean touch a nerve, lol. I forgot how defensive we IT people get with regards to our systems and software, lol.

Because it is our livelihood.

Like a car tech and his $30,000 tool box full of tools.

But fourthmeal is correct in saying that Linux isn't very business friendly. As an IT guy, I don't want to spend hours trying to fix something when I could have an OS that allows me to fix the same issue in 3 minutes and neither do the execs, lol.

Originally posted by fourthmeal

Show me a Linux distro that can properly support the customers I have and I'll listen.

Maybe it doesn't satisfy all your customers because MS takes part in anti-trust business practices that maintains their near monopoly, if Linux or for that matter NOTHING was loaded onto computers for sale, would everyone buy MS without trying a free OS first? Why are they allowed to insist you buy the MS package with the computer, sure you can get a refund if you don't activate it, it's like buying a car, but you must hire a driver because the driver comes with the car, you want to choose your own chauffer, weather it's you or someone you choose.

Yes, I gave up on Linux about 4 years ago. I got a copy of Win7 with a laptop I bought, loved it, and haven't looked back since.

Sorry, I quoted the last time you used it at approximately 5 years ago, my mistake.
Linux is catching up, FAST.

I'd say the problem is more squarely placed on Adobe's shoulders, actually.

And that gets back to what really makes machines obsolete. It isn't the OS, it is the supporting cast of software.

Originally posted by Toadmund

Originally posted by fourthmeal

Show me a Linux distro that can properly support the customers I have and I'll listen.

Maybe it doesn't satisfy all your customers because MS takes part in anti-trust business practices that maintains their near monopoly, if Linux or for that matter NOTHING was loaded onto computers for sale, would everyone buy MS without trying a free OS first? Why are they allowed to insist you buy the MS package with the computer, sure you can get a refund if you don't activate it, it's like buying a car, but you must hire a driver because the driver comes with the car, you want to choose your own chauffer, weather it's you or someone you choose.

Yes, I gave up on Linux about 4 years ago. I got a copy of Win7 with a laptop I bought, loved it, and haven't looked back since.

Sorry, I quoted the last time you used it at approximately 5 years ago, my mistake.

Linux is catching up, FAST.

Originally posted by Toadmund
it's like buying a car, but you must hire a driver because the driver comes with the car, you want to choose your own chauffer, weather it's you or someone you choose.

Yes, windows is like getting a chauffeur for the car you just bought. Linux is like buying the parts for the car, building it and hoping it runs. I'm sure Linux is fine for home PCs but for businesses, they like things that work right now.