Why do people believe in the story of Jesus but cannot even acknowledge that Aliens abduct people???

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

You're extremely close minded.

We do not know that Jesus existed, if he did exist he was probably just an ordinary man. You can provide no more proof of him than anyone can of alien abductions, in fact they can probably provide more proof than you can.

You've basically said "I'm right and you're wrong because I say so".

Your use of the word "bigotry" is very ironic.

So if a fictional character has a message, they must have existed! Aliens don't need a message, neither do we when we study the world. Imaginary Jesus exists in a book, as does his message.

(I'm not saying that I believe Aliens have visited us)

Originally posted by sd211212
Just watched the Travis Walton story on Paranormal witness. I have never seen what the other eyewitnesses believed or heard their stories. Travis has been made out to be a hoaxter, liar, delusional etc... Watching the emotions from his co-workers was moving. Especially the boss and the shy guy. dont know their names but apparently this event traumatized each and every one of them. I thought the Sheriff actually finally believed these guys but to this day he does not . He still believes it was made up and Travis hid out for a few days. Now they should get an academy award for that show. They showed raw emotion. So back to the Sheriff. Im sure if i were to ask if he believed everything in the bible and the story of Jesus he would say of course. Jesus walked the earth, cured people, died and rose, came back to the disciples etc... but aliens nope!!!!!!!! Its wild. If i had not had the experienvces I have had in my life them i would be skeptical too. Im skeptical of the jesus story the way it has been told deciphered whatever. It isnt even a eye witness testimony it is stories handed down over generation and then written. Why do people have such a hard time believing paranormal stuff when in all essence Jesus, if he existed, was an ALIEN????????????

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Maybe people find it easier to believe in Jesus because we were taught how to read by the Bible or through religious means. Therefore it would be easier to hold a faith than to outright believe in saucers from Guno-Uno that hide from us but peek around occasionally.

BTW, I have seen for myself mysterious lights and what-not but also have a faith in a creator. Why the ridicule just to justify your belief?

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


I ll end the thread there. I think I have proven the conditioning aspect of our society. Why is questioning the bible and its "factual" history stir such a reaction from its staunch believers??? Darn tough crowd.

Lastly Jesus said "I am not of this world" There is proof of "ALIENS" Also proves the point of the word "alien" its a word. if he wasnt from this world he was and extraterrestrial. Why is that so sacriligious??

reply to post by TheSparrowSings


Dear TheSparrowSings,

To be honest, its the ALIEN ABDUCTION story of THAT time. If I am to believe what Mary told people (which was then written down) She had some strange alien abduction phenomenon. She believed she was impregnated by a spirit. No matter what technique they used to get her pregnant, it still is rather "alien" to the time period. Unless she is lying. Or Jesus doesn't exist. Either way, alien abduction is more rational of an explanation for the existence of Jesus and is equally believable in modern times.

Lets be honest then. If you believe God created the universe then he could certainly create a person, heck, he created Adam and Eve if the bible is to be believed. Are we now to assume that he couldn't make more people? I have no problem with people believing that there is not God; but, if you are going to ask what the God of the bible is supposed to be capable of then creating people seems to be something he did before. He even told Moses that he could destroy all of the Israelites and raise new people from the ground.

There seems to be an assumption that the same period and societies that gave us Socrates and Plato were stupid and accepted whatever they were told. We are also therefore to assume that people in the first century that were killed for saying that Christ had been crucified and lived in Jerusalem just made it up. Basically that a bunch of fisherman made up a story, told it to people who were alive at the time, died for telling the story and nobody bothered pointing out to them that nobody fitting that description had been crucified in public.

There are people, such as the OP, who claim that Jesus was an alien. I guess he believes that it is reasonable to believe Jesus was an alien so long as he was not the Christ. Is believing both more or less rational than believing one and is one dependent on the other?

Originally posted by KristofLaw
Maybe people find it easier to believe in Jesus because we were taught how to read by the Bible or through religious means. Therefore it would be easier to hold a faith than to outright believe in saucers from Guno-Uno that hide from us but peek around occasionally.

You are right, I think, that being conditioned to believe does make it easier to believe the story. Children have vivid imagination and when first told the stories, they seem logical, because further knowledge that contradicts the story isn't available to them yet. But, oddly enough, children are beginning to study the idea of alien life very early in their education now. It is interesting how times have shifted.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

why dont they come forward. The son of man came forward and well you know the rest. So would you come forward??

Good night everyone thanks for the insightful comments. Sorry some took it as a bible bashing chritian bashing thread.

The thing that bothers me about the story of Jesus in general is that nothing was written down clearly for a longggg time, it was passed on orally, and we all have heard an out of hand rumor or played the telephone game where a simple phrase like "I love you" after being passed through the ears of just 10 or so people the phrase I said becomes something like " dead kittens" or something but you all know what I mean! I feel it's easier for me to accept aliens and abductions because of all of the recent testimonies and such. However much truth pertains to the story of Christ, you know just off of common sense that through the passing of oral stories it was altered in some way.
Peace,
Jake

Originally posted by sd211212
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

 

I ll end the thread there. I think I have proven the conditioning aspect of our society. Why is questioning the bible and its "factual" history stir such a reaction from its staunch believers??? Darn tough crowd.

Lastly Jesus said "I am not of this world" There is proof of "ALIENS" Also proves the point of the word "alien" its a word. if he wasnt from this world he was and extraterrestrial. Why is that so sacriligious??

Really? The only person I see reacting aggressively in this thread is you.

As for being "not of this world", you should probably consider the context of that phrase. Consider that paul admonishes Christians to be "in the world but not of it". Is he suggesting that Christians become space aliens? Of course not.

As for your accusations of ALL priests being child molesters, well your ignorance is clearly on display with such a statement.

I'm in agreement with AQuestion. It seems you've just started this thread to bash Christianity rather than have an actual discussion. I posted a reasonable reply to your OP and you're still ranting and raving about Christianity. I would suggest your thread would find a better home in the rants forum, as this seems to have little to do with the idea of aliens, and doesn't even scratch the surface of the abduction phenomenon.

reply to post by AQuestion


AQuestion,

I made an edit in my last post because I noticed the point you where trying to make. Sorry if you missed it but I feel it might address your question.


I read a few other posts of yours and see the point you are making. To address the OP's thread in general the point I am trying to make is. Where, throughout the story of Jesus, is there anything that makes his existence more believable than that of a story of alien abduction. The final point being is that belief in one is so similar to belief in the other. You can't say that one is WAY more logical and likely than the other.
edit on 24/10/2012 by TheSparrowSings because: (no reason given)

I don't believe that this "God", whoever he may have been, created us from nothing. Human beings, if created, where done so through the use of the Earth (Earth based homo-erectus) and a combination of alien DNA (through splicing. If interested, ask me about why humans have less chromosomes than ape.) So the idea of Gods spirit just pulsing down from the heavens and magically putting life inside of Mary is not logical at all. The OP is correct, in my opinion, in saying that Jesus was an alien. Hell, it seems likely that all humans are of some alien origin. Or, is this, as equally questionable as a story of taking a rib from a man and growing a woman out of it. Or maybe Genesis is a metaphor for what I just said.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

I'm not religious but agree. Ones a religion. A religion is by nature much more than a belief that someone can perform miracles and have super powers. It's spiritual, it's a way of life, it's a culture...it's being human. Belief in aliens is believing in aliens. I don't think it has any staying power...just like believing in dragons at one time was the trend.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

I'm not religious but agree. Ones a religion. A religion is by nature much more than a belief that someone can perform miracles and have super powers. It's spiritual, it's a way of life, it's a culture...it's being human. Belief in aliens is believing in aliens. I don't think it has any staying power...just like believing in dragons at one time was the trend.

Or fairy abductions

reply to post by Pressthebutton


Dear Pressthebutton,

The issue you raise is a good one; but, you have to understand a little history. Firstly, very few people read so everything including cooking recipes was passed down orally and very accurately. They didn't have a choice. The Jews had two traditions of the Old Testament, one oral and one written. Because their letters were also numbers, they would have a total for each line and paragraph and book and it had to add up correctly. When the written and oral traditions were compared, they matched exactly. We don't have that history for humans having a belief in aliens.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

I think the point is why can people open their minds to such a far fetched thing as Christianity but not Alien abductions, not that they're related at all.

reply to post by SpearMint

 

Well, first of all, Jesus existed. No one has proven that aliens exist. I won't further comment on the obvious bigotry in this thread, and won't get into a debate on Jesus.
If people wish to deny Jesus, that is there choice, but His message is quite clear. Do the imaginary aliens have a message, or a blueprint on how to live your life? If they did, why don't they come forward? End of story.

I'm not religious but agree. Ones a religion. A religion is by nature much more than a belief that someone can perform miracles and have super powers. It's spiritual, it's a way of life, it's a culture...it's being human. Belief in aliens is believing in aliens. I don't think it has any staying power...just like believing in dragons at one time was the trend.

I really don't think that's what he was saying, you gave his post a lot more meaning that it had, it was just an ignorant "I'm right you're wrong" post.

Believing in Aliens is not the same as believing in dragons. Aliens are logical and probable, be it advanced beings or single celled organisms. Abductions are much less likely, but possible.

reply to post by SpearMint

We do not know that Jesus existed, if he did exist he was probably just an ordinary man

I'm pretty sure he was a historical figure and yes, I think was jutst a man. From what I understand, he is not just mentioned in the bible but also in Roman records as a real person. Thats just what I remember. could be wrong.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
reply to post by SpearMint

 

We do not know that Jesus existed, if he did exist he was probably just an ordinary man

I'm pretty sure he was a historical figure and yes, I think was jutst a man. From what I understand, he is not just mentioned in the bible but also in Roman records as a real person. Thats just what I remember. could be wrong.

You are correct.

Originally posted by SpearMint
I really don't think that's what he was saying, you gave his post a lot more meaning that it had, it was just an ignorant "I'm right you're wrong" post.

maybe you read more into it. I just took a couple of his points and added my own thing.

Believing in Aliens is not the same as believing in dragons. Aliens are logical and probable, be it advanced beings or single celled organisms. Abductions are much less likely, but possible.

To me they are both mythology. ...until they aren't

reply to post by AQuestion


I see what you are saying friend and I am not denying it. Although through that method they introduce some possible error, because what happens when a child who is receiving the stories isn't paying any attention to what he is being told and etc. It could possibly have an impact. This is all merely speculation and "what if's"I really am not putting down aliens or Christian beliefs and I agree with you to an extent. Thanks for the thought

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
reply to post by SpearMint

 

We do not know that Jesus existed, if he did exist he was probably just an ordinary man

I'm pretty sure he was a historical figure and yes, I think was jutst a man. From what I understand, he is not just mentioned in the bible but also in Roman records as a real person. Thats just what I remember. could be wrong.

Don't forget that Jesus was a popular name and one could have influenced the other, but it's quite possible he existed, not as he's portrayed though. If he did then he probably did something people couldn't explain, and they thought he has powers or was the son of God.