George W. Bush; 3rd term

I've heard it a 1000 times. A vote for Romney is a vote for a third Bush term. Don't we remember how bad things were for those eight years, and how unpopular his administration was?

I know I can honestly say I don't want another Bush term, and it does seem that Romney would indeed be very similar to him.

That Obama supporters use this as a reason to not vote for Romney seems to make sense. Only one problem;

Obama has effectively been a third term for Bush!

Sure, he sounds more articulate than Bush, he talks a big game about being anti war, (after all, he's a Nobel Prize winner) anti wall street, etc. but lets look at what he has actually done.

On foreign policy, Obama has not only expanded the military budget;




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but he has also expanded the amount of troops we have overseas.




In addition, he has expanded the amount of countries we are in conflict with; now including Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya.

Remember, probably the biggest criticism of Bush by Democrats and others (myself included) was his seemingly never ending wars, which under Obama have continued and expanded.

But how about human rights?

Patriot act, resigned

Gitmo; open.

And now in a moves that only Bush could have dreamed of, there was Obama's signing of the NDAA which allows for indefinite detention of US citizens.

Not to mention drones strikes and the kill list.

He was once a liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war. Now, according to revelations last week, the US president personally oversees a 'kill list' for drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan. Then there's the CIA renditions, increased surveillance and a crackdown on whistleblowers. No wonder Washington insiders are likening him to 'George W Bush on steroids'

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Lets not forget; Obama has killed an American citizen by a remote control aircraft. This sounds like something anti Bush people could have only dreamed up as a worse case scenario, yet Mr. Nobel Peace Prize Obama did it an bragged about it.

Remember how people criticized Bush because he made the rest of the world hate us. It was a fair criticism. So how has Obama done?

Well, Americas approval in the Muslim world has actually declined below Bush levels under Obama.

Most surprisingly, Obama’s approval ratings are even lower than President Bush’s before he left office in 2008. They dropped from 26 percent to 12 percent in Morocco, 9 percent to 5 percent in Egypt, 16 percent to 10 percent in Jordan and 22 percent to 12 percent in the UAE (though they did improve in Saudi Arabia, and tick up slightly in Lebanon). Obama’s unique background was supposed to make him a prime candidate to improve the relationship between the U.S. and the Arab world. But more than halfway through his first term, not only has there been no progress, it looks like relations are worse than before.

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Like Bush, hes been for the bailouts of huge banksters, but against any type of meaningful regulation of them, or, God forbid, the prosecution of them for theft and corruption. But that doesn't mean he doesn't prosecut anyone. In fact, he holds the record for prosecuting whistle blowers!

Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton each prosecuted financial crime more aggressively than Barack Obama. But that doesn’t mean that Obama is failing to prosecute. He is just aiming at a different type of target. The New York Times reported last year: In President Obama’s 26 months in office, civilian and military prosecutors have charged five people in cases involving leaking information, more than all previous presidents combined.

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So much for transparency.

The list goes on and on. Here is a site listing many more reasons Bush and Obama are the same. This includes how he has the same Wall Street backers controlling him, has appointed the very same type of people as Bush (Timothy Geithner) and how all of his decisions were made to benefit them.

www.humblelibertarian.com...

The only difference I can see is that Obama has been more effective in doing all of the things we called Bush evil for, because he has silenced dissent. Remember the anti war movement under Bush.

Remember how seemingly every liberal in Hollywood bashed bush and his wars. Remember how seemingly every band or musician protested Bush and wrote songs about how evil he was. Where are they now?

See, they can't blame their guy. They're locked into the two party system. So one guys good, and the other is bad. Therefore when the guy they support does the exact same thing they were just protesting, they keep their mouths shut.

Here is a good story that illustrates how Obama has silenced this criticism.

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The "neocons" everyone hated finally found a way to shut up all of the loud mouths that disagree with them. Let their guy win, and have him continue the exact same policies. Problem solved. Now instead of people arguing against the injustices of these wars and corporate cronyism, they're making excuses for it! Brilliant!

Only the truth is there never was a difference in the parties. Only minor issues that don't affect the wealthy that decide who will be elected are allowed to be disagreed upon. They control these parties, use their wealth to get them elected, and then have them enforce policies that benefit them.

So for all you Obama supporters, keep fighting the good fight! Argue for the lessor of two evils. But remember, the last time the lessor was elected, he became a greater evil than you were protesting.

And at the very least please stop saying Romney would be Bushes third term; we're living in that right now.

I will say that I am SICK TO DEATH of all the political BS that is flying around. But you make all the valid points that Obama has done little to nothing to shed himself of the Bush Legacy. I guess as long as you are doing the same things, it's much easier to pass the blame onto him.


This election, much like the ones in the past, end up being just like this:

Every POTUS has been running the same globalist NWO agenda term after term.

Obama is the same as Bush, Bush was the same as Clinton, Clinton was the same as Bush Sr., Bush Sr. was the same as Reagan, Reagan was the same as Carter and so on.

Should Romney be elected we'll just more of the same.

Dont worry your little head about it. Nothing will change. The compass toward tyranny points true regardless of the fat sack of crap at the helm.

Well I don't live in the US and neither does American politics interest me, but I've caught some snippets of the whole political campaign and I have to say this is first time I've actually agreed with anything being said.

I know when I say it's only cause he's black I touch a sensitive spot, but I think all the enthusiasm people have had for him is because he is black. America's first black president.

Not only that but it's probably because he preaches peace, human rights, universal health care, and everything else which seems to be popular in world politics today but in reality its not sustainable or achievable - maybe given enough time though I doubt it.

He hasn't really fulfilled any of his promises either, not one, accept for universal health care.

So I find it hard to understand why so many still support him. I find even harder to understand why everyone is so surprised by his failure. It's an old game, you've all been bs'ed. It's what politicians do in order to gain support. I just think Americans made it easier for them this time by believing their own bs.

Imagine how confused the world was after he won a Nobel Prize for peace? What are they trying to do? Paint him up as being something similar to Mandela? Mandela actually deserved it, Obama didn't. Considering he hasn't done anything in his term to promote peace.



Though, I'm just an outsider looking in. I could be wrong

I miss George Bush. He was a real leader.

If given a choice between Bush's 3rd term or Jimmy Carter's 3rd term, I would go with Bush.

BTW things really started going south after Democrats took over congress in 2006. We had an extreme overreaction but started to get back on track in 2010, and total correction will happen in 2012.

Originally posted by solidguy
I miss George Bush. He was a real leader.

If given a choice between Bush's 3rd term or Jimmy Carter's 3rd term, I would go with Bush.

BTW things really started going south after Democrats took over congress in 2006. We had an extreme overreaction but started to get back on track in 2010, and total correction will happen in 2012.

I always found him entertaining

A Texan with the biggest weapons at his disposal and not smart enough to know when to not use them

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You hit the nail on the head. The only reason people haven't waken up to the facts yet is because he is black and "cool." These people somehow fail to put the pieces together and see that all these candidates are the exact same.
I thought after all these debates it would become more apparent but I guess not

This just goes to show that whoever you vote in things will remain the same!!

The puppets are just the puppets. The Marionettes you can't see all of the time, but for particular movements of the puppets, you catch a small glimpse!!

It's the same in the U.K.

Two and a bit parties trying to fool us that they would make a difference, when infact nothing changes.

As The Who sung, 'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!!'

Originally posted by solidguy
I miss George Bush. He was a real leader.

He was a real leader for warmongers. Him and DICK.

The media's blatant tactics to keep it a two party system is ridiculous. The process has failed when we get to choosing "lesser" evils.

It just doesn't work. For some reason people think the idea of having a "lesser evil" is one that should continue. Then they cry about it when nothing of significant importance gets done.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Every POTUS has been running the same globalist NWO agenda term after term.

Obama is the same as Bush, Bush was the same as Clinton, Clinton was the same as Bush Sr., Bush Sr. was the same as Reagan, Reagan was the same as Carter and so on.

Should Romney be elected we'll just more of the same.

Dont worry your little head about it. Nothing will change. The compass toward tyranny points true regardless of the fat sack of crap at the helm.

I agree. Everything will just keep rolling along no matter who sits in the big chair. That's because I don't think he's the only one with the power. The impression I get is of someone holding his hand as though he's a child. But I don't know anything.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
This just goes to show that whoever you vote in things will remain the same!!

The puppets are just the puppets. The Marionettes you can't see all of the time, but for particular movements of the puppets, you catch a small glimpse!!

It's the same in the U.K.

Two and a bit parties trying to fool us that they would make a difference, when infact nothing changes.

As The Who sung, 'Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!!'

edit on 23/10/12 by Cobaltic1978 because: (no reason given)

Exactly

Ever see a poor man become a leader? Why not? Because he would not be in the pockets of those who truly are in charge.

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Technically it was really only "bad" for Americans during 2007-2008 when inflation blew through the roof. Otherwise employment was stable and net-wealth for Middle Class Americans soared.

He wasn't nearly as unpopular as you think either.. the media hated him, the richest and loudest in Hollywood hated him, and people spent millions plastering messages everywhere. Still, he got re-elected, and until 2007-8 had good support.

Obama is about as popular as Bush imo.. the irony being that one of the main reasons Liberals hated Bush was torture and warfare. We still torture people, Gitmo is still open, and we still attack nations without reason.

Only now Liberals, being the hypocrites they are, look the other way.

This all is basically true, and this is the reason no one should vote for either of these candidates. While Obama was not as bad as Bush, he did not do anything to undo the policies that have taken away our liberties, and actually instituted more to a smaller degree than Bush. I still believe that Obama held back from doing things that Romney would have done, and will do if elected. I think Romney, being a Republican, will ease the situation for large corporations, effectively giving them the environment to screw us over even more, giving them even more power than they currently have.

Corporations really are who run this country, and if you are a person who hasn't realized this, you should really do some research. It is obvious when you think about how much money is needed for a candidate to run a campaign. Where do you think that money comes from? That money is NOT a "donation" because it is not free. It comes with strings attached.

And I will say again that the president, while powerful, takes a backseat to the power of Congress. The real traitors to America reside in those offices, and lobbyists have effectively reigned just about every single one of them in. So many corporations have been making trillions of dollars off of the wars that Bush started and Obama continued, yet this "trickle down" never occurred. That is because it does not and has not worked. This is why I don't want to see a Republican in office period, but especially not someone as shady, seedy, and dishonest as Romney.

I have seen him change some of his policies and beliefs based on the bad crowd reaction, and it is obvious he is just telling people whatever is necessary to get elected. He is in no way obligated to keep any campaign promises, and most of what he says he will do is not a promise, as it were anyway. The same happened with Obama's "Change," but while the Republicans bash him for it, they do not realize that Romney is much, much worse.

Neither deserve to be president, as neither will do good things for this country's future. That is why if you are smart, you will not vote for either of them. I am positive that there is cheating going on at the polls, as evidenced by events over the last decade along with testimony from those with knowledge of the events and the voting system, so I am not confident that what the people want really even matters anymore. Romney cheated once by basically disregarding then having the rules changed to screw Paul out of the nomination in the first place, so what makes people believe that he will not hang them out to dry as well?

Oh geez!
Carter's second term has been a lot worse than Bush's third ever could have been.
But then McCain is not running this time around.

Trying to equate Romney with Bush is much like trying to equate Obama with Clinton.

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Come to think of it if Romney does win who will be in his cabinet? Who is going to be Secretary of Defense? I imagine he is going to surround himself with people from Big Banks and Corporations.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Every POTUS has been running the same globalist NWO agenda term after term.

Obama is the same as Bush, Bush was the same as Clinton, Clinton was the same as Bush Sr., Bush Sr. was the same as Reagan, Reagan was the same as Carter and so on.

Should Romney be elected we'll just more of the same.

Dont worry your little head about it. Nothing will change. The compass toward tyranny points true regardless of the fat sack of crap at the helm.

Quoted for Truth.

The president is just a front man for the public to curse at and blame or cheer, but at the end of the day the same old garbage is gonna keep on truckin'.

For anyone supporting either Obama or Romney I say to you you are the problem.

Originally posted by solidguy
I miss George Bush. He was a real leader.

If given a choice between Bush's 3rd term or Jimmy Carter's 3rd term, I would go with Bush.

BTW things really started going south after Democrats took over congress in 2006. We had an extreme overreaction but started to get back on track in 2010, and total correction will happen in 2012.

They still make you?

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Spot on. Unfortunately, many people even on ATS don't believe this, so I was trying to illustrate exactly how both parties are the same.

I have heard so many Obama supporters on ATS warn a vote for Romney would be a vote for Bushes third term, so I was hoping maybe some of them would read this and post their opinion. I guess they just don't care or can't refute, so they stay out of it.

People shouldn't even waste their time trying to differentiate between Romney or Obama, the real Americans, the real Candidates are within the third party. This Romney/Obama stuff is such a charade. Lots of money has been spent to make the debates look like a shiny episode of American idol with a touch of high school arguing on the side.

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Gary Johnson. Watch the response of the crowd to the third-party debate tonight. HOLY ^^^^^^^%%#$%#@$. I was shocked. Shocked at how good the truth sounded.