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Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by Vitruvian
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by Vitruvian
Who know's if the Chinese use bayonets...we don't.
And that photo of U.S. troops doesn't look like a deployed unit too me. They appear to still be in training.
WE DON'T USE BAYONET'S!!!
As someone else said, when was the last time the order "Fix Bayonet's" was given?
I never heard it...
Looking at the photo again...actually the Chinese bayonets do appear to be decoration. They appear to be at some ceremony. Those are not their battle weapons...edit on 24-10-2012 by DZAG Wright because: To add on
LINK TO PHOTO - VA: Virginians joust with Obama over bayonets, horses, ships
1996 DEPLOYMENT OFFICIAL PHOTO
BTW - I am a disabled veteran and we used bayonets!!! We trained with them and we carried them at all times - either fixed on in the scabbard!!!edit on 24-10-2012 by Vitruvian because: (no reason given)
My man...those are soldiers/marines aboard a ship training...probably as a punishment for something...so their CO made them do bayonet training as a light punishment.
Show me a photo of a soldier/marine with boots on the ground while downtown and they have a freaking bayonet on their rifle!
Disabled vet or not, this isn't 1972...WE DO NOT USE BAYONET'S!! You must have served during WWI?
Everything you said is now invalid. Have a nice day.
By the way... what is wrong with you calling someone "Retarded"? Aside from being a blatant TOS violation, it clearly demonstrates your character as a person. Pathetic.edit on 24-10-2012 by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies because: Setting something straight
I actually take a little bit of humble pie...
Though, what are those guys doing with M-16's and they're downtown? I would need to know the context of that photo. Is it even real or a movie trailer?
I know what I know from experience and just went and asked some Army and Marines (since I work in a Vet Center) and make sure I'm not crazy.
We don't use bayonet's anymore...
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by SaturnFX
And if your hair splitting..then your losing. the right needs to address the point, not the example..the average muddlebrained person doesn't want to get lost in pop trivia when the point is valid..
here are some hairs for you to split.
Look down the page. You will see pics of modern US servicemen in a combat theater with bayonets fixed.
How many bayonet charges do you think were mounted during the year 1916?
1916 bayonets were not the multiuse tool that bayonets are today.
How many bayonets actually served in their designed capacity in the year 1916?
You may call it splitting hairs, but they are facts. Damnable facts for some.
Originally posted by TC Mike
Its not specifically the President's remark of bayonets and horses remark, but the presumption on Obama to school Mitt on the US military as if he were a fifth grader. This insult to Mitt Romney's intelligence is really petty for Obama to do. This is not only an insult to Mitt's intelligence, but an insult to the intelligence of any American viewer watching the debate.
Obama: “You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”
Details and Implication
Originally posted by illuminated0ne
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
You obviously didn't read the link I posted in my last post.
Drones are used for reconnaissance, and most of them are armed.
Aircraft used for recon reduces the need for recon ships. It's a fact.
Sorry to disappoint you.edit on 24-10-2012 by illuminated0ne because: (no reason given)
Horse Soldiers is the dramatic account of a small band of Special Forces soldiers who secretly entered Afghanistan following 9/11 and rode to war on horses against the Taliban. Outnumbered forty to one, they pursued the enemy across mountainous terrain and, after a series of intense battles, captured the city of Mazar-i-Sharif, which was strategically essential if they were to defeat the Taliban.
The bone-weary American soldiers were welcomed as liberators, and overjoyed Afghans thronged the streets. Then the action took a wholly unexpected turn. During a surrender of six hundred Taliban troops, the Horse Soldiers were ambushed. Dangerously outnumbered, they fought for their lives in the city's immense fortress, Qala-i-Janghi, or the House of War. At risk were the military gains of the entire campaign: if the soldiers perished or were captured, the effort to defeat the Taliban might be doomed.
As the Americans struggled to hold the fortress, they faced some of the most intense urban warfare of our time. But until now the full story of the Horse Soldiers has never been told. Doug Stanton received unprecedented cooperation from the U.S. Army's Special Forces soldiers and Special Operations helicopter pilots, as well as access to voluminous after-battle reports. In addition, he interviewed more than one hundred participants and walked every inch of the climactic battleground.
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This exciting story is filled with unforgettable characters: brave Special Forces soldiers, tough CIA operatives, cunning Afghan warlords, anxious stateside soldiers' wives who do not know where their husbands have gone, and humble Afghan boys spying on the Taliban.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Originally posted by TC Mike
Its not specifically the President's remark of bayonets and horses remark, but the presumption on Obama to school Mitt on the US military as if he were a fifth grader. This insult to Mitt Romney's intelligence is really petty for Obama to do. This is not only an insult to Mitt's intelligence, but an insult to the intelligence of any American viewer watching the debate.
Obama: “You mention the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.”
Details and Implication
His presumption was correct. What can Mitt actually tell Obama about our foreign policy and military...OBAMA IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF!!!!
Obama has access to the best intelligence in the world. He knows things......Mitt doesn't even have the classification to know!
So yes, he can speak to Mitt as if he's a 5th grader!
Actually it is Mitt who is insulting the President's intelligence by thinking he can box with him.
Originally posted by illuminated0ne
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
Sorry, but what you said is irrelevant.
We are discussing how aircraft reduce the need for certain ships. We are not discussing the necessity of aircraft carriers, obviously they are necessary. Try another straw man argument, see how it goes.
Originally posted by DZAG Wright
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
Has nothing to do with Romney attempting to debate him on foreign affairs...
U.S. military surveillance drones based in the Seychelles islands are patrolling off Somalia's coast in hopes of stemming a rising piracy trade.
U.S. military officials say unmanned drones called Reapers are patrolling the Indian Ocean. Small drones were previously launched from American warships off Somalia but the larger and more advanced Reapers are the first drones to be operated in the area by the U.S. military's Africa Command.
Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
You keep using the term "straw man argument"...
I don't think it means what you think it means...
Helecoptors don't only launch from aircraft carriers... learn to Navy.
Originally posted by illuminated0ne
Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
You keep using the term "straw man argument"...
I don't think it means what you think it means...
Helecoptors don't only launch from aircraft carriers... learn to Navy.
A straw man is when you misrepresent someones position, and then create the illusion that you refuted that position when in fact the person didn't even have that position you refuted.
My position was that aircraft are reducing the need for certain roles of ships, and less ships are needed because of that.
Your failed argument was that aircraft need aircraft carriers which are ships.
It doesn't get any more straw man than that.
Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
That’s why we have radio communications and helicopters with guns.
Q: Where do helecopters with guns in the middle of the ocean launch from?
A: Ships.
Originally posted by Grimpachi
Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
That’s why we have radio communications and helicopters with guns.
Q: Where do helecopters with guns in the middle of the ocean launch from?
A: Ships.
Glad to see you agree with me. Planes and helicopters can cover a greater area from one ship than what the ships in 1916 could cover that’s why we do not need as many ships and can still do the same job better. See I knew common sense would win out.
So as you can see this stupid debate over bayonets and horses is just a distraction. It was a great zinger that put Romney in his place illustrating perfectly that the mindset of numbers is outdated.
More is better was a saying we used when setting demolitions for IEDs it does not apply to everything. Except when it came to leave, chow, and beer.