MRSA (Flesh Eating Disease) on the Loose

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by soficrow

 

The properties of staph are that it will "tunnel" from area to area, and will "tunnel" to the surface. This looks like a big, sucking hole. The hole will grow in the place of the lesion.

But its ability to move laterally across the body is limited to this small scale tunneling. It is "flesh eating", yes. But what is typically known as "flesh eating", and has been in the news recently with that girl that fell from the zip line, and the mom who was infected while giving birth, is strep. It moves along the fascia and can spread to infect very large portions of the body.

Just about any bacteria that infects tissue is "flesh eating" in that it causes death of the tissue that it comes in contact with to one degree or another. It doesn't really eat the flesh. It just causes it to die from disease, usually causing necrosis.

i think the confusion we are seeing in this thread has more to do with the "new" strains currently being identified or attempting to be identified. when it comes to MRSA what i have found through research is that there are several new beasts we have to deal with and they seem to also be antibiotic resistant.

the reason i am aware of these is because i keep informed due to my roll as a pest control operator and fall under public health and safety in my state. i deal with fleas, mites, tics, bedbugs and it's in the bedbug area, that my industry is most concerned.

I was just reading about C-diff and it stated that fluoride based antibiotics don't kill it but kill beneficial bacteria. This leads to people having C-diff in their bodies at higher levels because the symbiotic bacteria help protect us from C-diff over populating. similar fluoride antibiotics were sprayed on our food but the government recently lowered their use, banning them from some applications. I wonder if a similar thing happened with MRSA. The FDA is not qualified to look over our food. We need to return this job to the American Chemistry Association, the organization that was doing it prior to the formation of the FDA. The FDA was formed because the Chemistry organization was complaining of some food additives long ago. They were also complaining of the parameters being used and the test subjects being used. They got replaced in the early 1900s because big business was getting suppressed.

A year and a half ago CA-MRSA. It almost killed me. I got a small bump like a pimple on my chin. It very quickly became nasty, like 12 hours. Sore, red, pussy. I begin putting Colloidal silver on it as I have been using silver for many years with amazing effects. It was getting worse by the minute. I became quite obviouse buy the next day I needed to go to the doctors. The doctor said it ws impentigo, gave me a antibiotic cream and told me if it got worse go to the hospital. Well, it got worse quickly. I went to the hospital and was there in quarantine for four days. I was put on I.V. antibiotics, Vancomycin and Rocephin. I discovered I am allergic to Rocephin. I went into Anaphylaxis shock after being given the Rocephin. Could not breath, blood preasure dropped, my lip swolle to a gigantic size. That was pretty scary. So the only thing that could be used to treat me was Vancomycin. I had to have the wound cut open and drained. Very painful they had to cut out dead skin around the wound. The hospital was using Silvadene cream and bandages impregnated with silver to cover the wound. When I got relesed for the hospital I was to continue the Silvadene cream and bandages. I was on oral antibiotics for months that had horrendous side effects. Had to swab my nose with Mupirocin cream. Had to eat probiotics like candy and eat yogurt. I could not keep anything else down due to the side effects of the oral antibiotics. I was still contagious and unable to be around my family for fear of getting them sick.

This experiance changed me forever. I don't like going out to public places anymore. I don't know where I contracted MRSA so it could have been the grocery store the bank and number of common places. When I do go out into public places I use hand sanitizer, wipe shopping carts down befor touching anything. It has made be very nervous and parinoid of germs. It is a very nasty disease that had a huge effect on my life. I was left with a scar on my face that reminds me every time I look into a mirror. I recently was put on Prednisone for a bad case of poisn ivy. Prednisone is horrible, it weakens your immune system so I'll be on even higher alert for the next 6-12 months.

To think that animals can spread this is very scary.

Originally posted by AmateuRN

In my years of nursing... I have never seen ONE sore on the outside of someone's body due to MRSA.

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REALLY??? Not one? Wow! I have seen many....and they are cleared up with antibiotics and probiotics to help prevent the Cdiff aspect.....and they are not pretty. At our hospital we have used NG tubes with family fecal matter to help cure cdiff....

Education is really the key. Older patients just don't wash their hands the way the should....and they pick their noses a lot (I've seen it) or don't wash their hands after using a tissue......Seen that too LOL!! Drives me crazy!!

Just finished a 4 week battle with MRSA on my knee. Did some work in a restaurant, wore shorts, mostly on my knees, 3 days working all night. Immune system weak from fatigue, got a little pimple on my knee, then the bug from the restaurant.

I was going to "holistic" it but went to another job a few days later at a hospital and coincidentally had to pass through the amputee ward. My leg was consumed by redness and pain and seeing a guy fresh out of surgery with a bandage on his knee where his lower leg used to be was my cue to get it checked out.

There's only one antibiotic that's strong enough to take it out (Septra?). I've never seen so much skin & flesh destruction as the bacteria turned a pimple into a wound worthy of WW I complete with daily bandage changes & massive fluid drainage. For weeks. Yeah, it sucks. Before it completely healed, the area underneath the wound was like a cave and you could see clearly that left untreated what the result would be. Bacteria feast.

I'm sure it would have at best taken my entire leg & most likely killed me if left untreated. Didn't need IV or hospital but did go through a couple jars of vicodin & the 10 day antibiotics. 10 days into the antibiotics and the body had an allergic reaction to it causing red dots (rash) over my entire body. The AB isn't your friend either but it is if you have MRSA. Nothing holistic about treating this effer.

Oregano oil!!!

I caught MRSA at a McDonalds play place, six years ago. They put me on the IV antibiotics too, and I had very bad reactions to the drugs that were given to me. Once they got it cleared up, it came right back. Their medicines was not helping me, but making me sicker and the infection was never completely clearing up no matter what salves and drugs they put into my IV. I signed myself out AMA and headed for the HFS. No joke. My husband was quite worried. I got oil of oregano with high carvacol content. I applied it directly onto the area and within 2 days it started to look better, and within the week, it was gone. I still have a scar on my leg where the infection was. MRSA will continue coming back on some people. It never did for me, but I believe it was due to using what Great Spirit already put into the earth.

******Disclaimer, see your doctor, I'm not a doctor, don't mess around with MRSA or any other serious infection.

Originally posted by VAPatriot
A year and a half ago CA-MRSA. It almost killed me. I got a small bump like a pimple on my chin. It very quickly became nasty, like 12 hours. Sore, red, pussy. I begin putting Colloidal silver on it as I have been using silver for many years with amazing effects. It was getting worse by the minute. I became quite obviouse buy the next day I needed to go to the doctors. The doctor said it ws impentigo, gave me a antibiotic cream and told me if it got worse go to the hospital. Well, it got worse quickly. I went to the hospital and was there in quarantine for four days. I was put on I.V. antibiotics, Vancomycin and Rocephin. I discovered I am allergic to Rocephin. I went into Anaphylaxis shock after being given the Rocephin. Could not breath, blood preasure dropped, my lip swolle to a gigantic size. That was pretty scary. So the only thing that could be used to treat me was Vancomycin. I had to have the wound cut open and drained. Very painful they had to cut out dead skin around the wound. The hospital was using Silvadene cream and bandages impregnated with silver to cover the wound. When I got relesed for the hospital I was to continue the Silvadene cream and bandages. I was on oral antibiotics for months that had horrendous side effects. Had to swab my nose with Mupirocin cream. Had to eat probiotics like candy and eat yogurt. I could not keep anything else down due to the side effects of the oral antibiotics. I was still contagious and unable to be around my family for fear of getting them sick.

This experiance changed me forever. I don't like going out to public places anymore. I don't know where I contracted MRSA so it could have been the grocery store the bank and number of common places. When I do go out into public places I use hand sanitizer, wipe shopping carts down befor touching anything. It has made be very nervous and parinoid of germs. It is a very nasty disease that had a huge effect on my life. I was left with a scar on my face that reminds me every time I look into a mirror. I recently was put on Prednisone for a bad case of poisn ivy. Prednisone is horrible, it weakens your immune system so I'll be on even higher alert for the next 6-12 months.

To think that animals can spread this is very scary.

edit on 23-10-2012 by VAPatriot because: typo

I am sorry to hear about that .... The really sad thing is that MRSA started in hospitals and nursing homes and was spread into the public arena by poor or non-existent infection control measures ... now the community is infected and who pays for it? The money for the treatment doesn't come out of the hospitals and nursing homes pocket but the taxpayers....

Originally posted by rickymouse
I was just reading about C-diff and it stated that fluoride based antibiotics don't kill it but kill beneficial bacteria. This leads to people having C-diff in their bodies at higher levels because the symbiotic bacteria help protect us from C-diff over populating. similar fluoride antibiotics were sprayed on our food but the government recently lowered their use, banning them from some applications. I wonder if a similar thing happened with MRSA. The FDA is not qualified to look over our food. We need to return this job to the American Chemistry Association, the organization that was doing it prior to the formation of the FDA. The FDA was formed because the Chemistry organization was complaining of some food additives long ago. They were also complaining of the parameters being used and the test subjects being used. They got replaced in the early 1900s because big business was getting suppressed.

You know what else will give people C DIFF? Something the FDA won't talk about. Walk down the grocery aisle and you see packs of Prilosec, Prevacid, or Zegerid, etc. Taking a PPI, proton pump inhibitor to shut down all acid production in the gut can cause C DIFF in people. It has.... a simple search will show. These OTC drugs are dangerous as hell, and some people pop them like candy. My friend began prevacid and two days later landed in the ER with Afib and chest pains. Come to find out, the prevacid caused this. Oh yes. PPI's can also mess up the heart.

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Speaking of money. This cost $15,000.00 in doctor, hosital and precriptions bills. The other crazy thing was in the hospital guess where they put me. Can you belive they put me in a quarantined room on the post-surgical ward! Quarantined or not I thought that was insane.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by soficrow

 

The properties of staph are that it will "tunnel" from area to area, and will "tunnel" to the surface. This looks like a big, sucking hole. The hole will grow in the place of the lesion.

But its ability to move laterally across the body is limited to this small scale tunneling. It is "flesh eating", yes. But what is typically known as "flesh eating", and has been in the news recently with that girl that fell from the zip line, and the mom who was infected while giving birth, is strep. It moves along the fascia and can spread to infect very large portions of the body.

Just about any bacteria that infects tissue is "flesh eating" in that it causes death of the tissue that it comes in contact with to one degree or another. It doesn't really eat the flesh. It just causes it to die from disease, usually causing necrosis.

It should be noted that this is not a pressure sore type wound either... many people don't know the difference between bed sores and pressure wounds ...... pressure wound will also appear to be tunneling but they are moving in/out versus lateral movement in tissue decay. .... I have seen pressure wounds that went all the way to the bone on hips and butts where you could see some tendon because of poor hospital care ....

these wounds can take years to heal ..... and will never heal if you don't know advanced wound care....

I have a picture of my fiancées aunt's wounds that she came home from the hospital with.....we took care of for 7 years until she passed but the medical establishment only gave her 3-4 months!

reply to post by Thunder heart woman


I have a problem making stomach acid. My daughter has the same problem. I found betaine HCL seems to work well as do pickled beets. Carrying pickled beets around isn't easy so I use a combination of the two. We both noticed that taking these things for a while restored the acid in our stomachs, we now only take them when eating big meals. Pickled beets with onions have some good healing benefits, but you can't eat too many of them. They are a strong medicine which have natural sulfite compounds from the reaction of the onions to the acetic acid. They can help cure some diseases. Pickled onions may be sort of like a natural sulfonamide. Honey also contains a sort of sulfonamide.

Eating foods that help to keep the body healthy is the best way to fight diseases when they are small. What we are told is healthy is only a way of calming people sometimes. eating foods that suppress the thyroid on a regular basis is bad for fighting diseases we come in contact with. Other times when there is no disease around it is not a problem.

Originally posted by Starwise

Originally posted by AmateuRN

In my years of nursing... I have never seen ONE sore on the outside of someone's body due to MRSA.

.

REALLY??? Not one? Wow! I have seen many....and they are cleared up with antibiotics and probiotics to help prevent the Cdiff aspect.....and they are not pretty. At our hospital we have used NG tubes with family fecal matter to help cure cdiff....

Education is really the key. Older patients just don't wash their hands the way the should....and they pick their noses a lot (I've seen it) or don't wash their hands after using a tissue......Seen that too LOL!! Drives me crazy!!

I wonder if taking high doses of vitamin C would prevent getting this bug at all, or help the body fight it if you do get it?

Originally posted by Starwise

Originally posted by AmateuRN

In my years of nursing... I have never seen ONE sore on the outside of someone's body due to MRSA.

.

REALLY??? Not one? Wow! I have seen many....and they are cleared up with antibiotics and probiotics to help prevent the Cdiff aspect.....and they are not pretty. At our hospital we have used NG tubes with family fecal matter to help cure cdiff....

Education is really the key. Older patients just don't wash their hands the way the should....and they pick their noses a lot (I've seen it) or don't wash their hands after using a tissue......Seen that too LOL!! Drives me crazy!!

The fact is that much of this contamination is done by the hospital and caring staff.... we were told that we were exposed to MRSA 6 months after the fact by accident ... and the hospital claimed that Aunt Lee had colonized MRSA which later tested to be untrue.... She was about 86 at the time ...

the dumb arse nurse brought to us traveling in her route from another patient!

.... I have seen people die of it in nursing homes and and it was covered up from the family ......

the entire medical establishment is an infectious joke when it come to eldercare and infection controls

Originally posted by Starwise

Originally posted by AmateuRN

In my years of nursing... I have never seen ONE sore on the outside of someone's body due to MRSA.

.

REALLY??? Not one? Wow! I have seen many....and they are cleared up with antibiotics and probiotics to help prevent the Cdiff aspect.....and they are not pretty. At our hospital we have used NG tubes with family fecal matter to help cure cdiff....

Education is really the key. Older patients just don't wash their hands the way the should....and they pick their noses a lot (I've seen it) or don't wash their hands after using a tissue......Seen that too LOL!! Drives me crazy!!

Not one. Ever. Done the NGT for CDiff before.

Whats a little CDiff among friends, though?

Again, MRSA or CDiff are the least of my worries in a hospital or out in public.

Oh my, when I saw the drug referenced in post called vancomycin, it brought back so many painful memories from a few years ago I try to forget that I was caught off guard and felt I share my MRSA story too, and thought of the topic:

It all started with a ruptured disc in my back L5-S1. Had the surgery. Success. Felt great within three weeks or so of recovery (Nov 09). Went back to work. Two months later, the back pain started again. But this time, it was different. I'd scream in pain as if every muscle was tightening up in my back while ten screwdrivers were being pounded into my lower back. Didn't have to move my body to onset this backache. I dealt with it ....few weeks, until my mother rushed me to 911 room.

There it was..... from an MRI showing the 'darker shadows around my spine' lives the dreadful....MRSA. Eating away at my spine, positivily contracted from my previous back surgery. This called for a spinal fusion, borrowing some bone off my hip (ouch! Sore there for months after)) to place into my spine area to make up for all the infection/MERSA they had to saw out from me and my spine. Took place about
2-4 months after the ruptured disc surgury.

Even better....im a walking infection...the disc surgery followed a thumb surgery six weeks prior due. PASTURELLA infection (here kitty kitty--cat bite) in my entire thumb to the bone. take stray cat bites seriously people! especially if u have kids. That's when i first met the 24/7 wire-connected antibiotic meds for eight weeks.

You think running a 5k benefit race with a ruptured disc is painful not knowing?? Yea.....try MRSA filled up in your spin for 60 days. My stomach is still sore from where they went in via the front, entering my spine to remove the mrsa. Strange, as you think it'd be the back. (Wait, that was just closed up from last months surgery *smirk* and I must a been on something still from the cat bite :-) )

Anyways... two months of being best friends with Vancomycin connected with a tube 24-7, twice. I had to share my MRSA story when i saw that drug! That drug must be so powerful....I didn't have to shower for weeks and you'd never smell it. Good thing... being how inmobile I was from three surgeries in a row in 3months.

MRSA is more common than one thinks....this isn't some new virus or outbreak 'end of world' apocolyps; it's about a bad bad BAD bug that hospitals (nurses hate the word i found too) don't like to talk about because many of the cases are contracted in those facilities- under top notch care. (About $64,000 poorer after a surgery gone bad. ..I learned THATS what the disclaimer forms are requiring all your signatures are really for! No one can be liable except for self. If I only had a case.....I'd be living in my own island. Mersa-free of course :-)

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You are are right about the oregano oil and PPIs!!!!! Also, TEA TREE OIL kills staph!!! I put it in a bottle with water and spray down my counter tops and let it set for a while!!! It smells better than bleach!

PPIs are bad because it opens your gut up for infection. If people have GERD, the best thing they can do is change their diet. Sounds simple but is not. People are so accustomed to eating what they want and popping a pill at the first sign of discomfort.....I quit eating fried foods and certain spices and have not had any heartburn since. Here in the midwest though, people eat fried foods for breakfast lunch and dinner

Originally posted by VAPatriot
reply to post by fnpmitchreturns

 

Speaking of money. This cost $15,000.00 in doctor, hosital and precriptions bills. The other crazy thing was in the hospital guess where they put me. Can you belive they put me in a quarantined room on the post-surgical ward! Quarantined or not I thought that was insane.

post surgical quarantine for MRSA patients sounds right ...... put open surgical wounds in a room with MRSA patients sarcasm/off... sounds like you went to Carillion Roanoke Memorial Hospital.....

Originally posted by CheeseCurd
Oh my, when I saw the drug referenced in post called vancomycin, it brought back so many painful memories from a few years ago I try to forget that I was caught off guard and felt I share my MRSA story too, and thought of the topic:

It all started with a ruptured disc in my back L5-S1. Had the surgery. Success. Felt great within three weeks or so of recovery (Nov 09). Went back to work. Two months later, the back pain started again. But this time, it was different. I'd scream in pain as if every muscle was tightening up in my back while ten screwdrivers were being pounded into my lower back. Didn't have to move my body to onset this backache. I dealt with it ....few weeks, until my mother rushed me to 911 room.

There it was..... from an MRI showing the 'darker shadows around my spine' lives the dreadful....MRSA. Eating away at my spine, positivily contracted from my previous back surgery. This called for a spinal fusion, borrowing some bone off my hip (ouch! Sore there for months after)) to place into my spine area to make up for all the infection/MERSA they had to saw out from me and my spine. Took place about
2-4 months after the ruptured disc surgury.

Even better....im a walking infection...the disc surgery followed a thumb surgery six weeks prior due. PASTURELLA infection (here kitty kitty--cat bite) in my entire thumb to the bone. take stray cat bites seriously people! especially if u have kids. That's when i first met the 24/7 wire-connected antibiotic meds for eight weeks.

You think running a 5k benefit race with a ruptured disc is painful not knowing?? Yea.....try MRSA filled up in your spin for 60 days. My stomach is still sore from where they went in via the front, entering my spine to remove the mrsa. Strange, as you think it'd be the back. (Wait, that was just closed up from last months surgery *smirk* and I must a been on something still from the cat bite :-) )

Anyways... two months of being best friends with Vancomycin connected with a tube 24-7, twice. I had to share my MRSA story when i saw that drug! That drug must be so powerful....I didn't have to shower for weeks and you'd never smell it. Good thing... being how inmobile I was from three surgeries in a row in 3months.

MRSA is more common than one thinks....this isn't some new virus or outbreak 'end of world' apocolyps; it's about a bad bad BAD bug that hospitals (nurses hate the word i found too) don't like to talk about because many of the cases are contracted in those facilities- under top notch care. (About $64,000 poorer after a surgery gone bad. ..I learned THATS what the disclaimer forms are requiring all your signatures are really for! No one can be liable except for self. If I only had a case.....I'd be living in my own island. Mersa-free of course :-)

it sounds like your injuries are caused by their neglect to maintain a clean and sterile facility.... have you ever heard of complied negligence?

This stuff is NASTY NASTY NASTY!!!!

I had what looked like two ant bites with a little bit of puss and within 2 days it was disgusting. In less than a week I had a hole the size of a penny in one spot on my knee and another spot half the size of a dime. The puss comes out so heavy that the wound can't heal so you have to pack gauze in it every other day so it can heal from the bottom up. If you have something that looks the least bit out of normal get on antibiotics as quick as you can because they take a few days to kick in and the damage happen rapidly.

Don't train at gyms that don't have good house keeping and keep an eye on your partners because dumb arses will come to the gym even with pussing sores...NO RESPECT FOR OTHERS!!!

Unfortunately it is a big problem in Jails as well, which doesn't get much coverage.
My son got it twice during a 4 week stay. Luckily we have a pretty good nurse at the county jail. She recognized it, while the cops were trying to blow it off.