Tens of thousands of people are marching in protest

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by colin42
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The riots have nothing in common with the demonstration. We was not out for a free plasma we just want a fair deal and a future for our kids.

I didn't say they had anything to do with them. I am simply stating after the riots it's likely the British government does not want any large scale protest televised.

After seeing the documentary about the riots, there is a lot to suggest that the government and police allowed them to grow and become more violent, to then excuse a crackdown on protest and increased media control, internet restrictions and the militarization of the police.

There is evidence (the MET admitted) that certain "influential" areas of London were left to fend for themselves. Police were not moved properly, they stood back and watched the violence continuing. They made sure that there were plenty of cameras on all the action though - just not on the police themselves. If you look at any of the news footage you'll see a lot of teenagers causing a lot of damage, but you conveniently rarely see a police officer in full riot gear standing and watching them, even though thousands of people across the country from Birmingham to London reported that Police were just watching it all happening and doing absolutely nothing.

It was only when enough damage had been done and the government had made sure that everyone in the country was aware of the rioting and looting that they miraculously managed to stop it.

I don't doubt for one second that there were a lot of scummy chav people taking advantage of the situation and being general lunatics worthy of being charged and imprisoned. But, the people who benefited the most were in government, with increased powers and the public baying for blood in support of the harshest measures even long after the fact.

The government wants protest and riots televised when it suits them. The BBC is a puppet.

reply to post by detachedindividual
They also want us to relate both riots and protests to violence deterring both. one is illegal the other a democratic right. One they can take out insurance against the other they have to answer and they so do not want to answer.

When I, the People, learn to remember, when I, the
People, use the lessons of yesterday and no longer
forget who robbed me last year, who played me for
a fool--then there will be no speaker in all the world
say the name: "The People," with any fleck of a
sneer in his voice or any far-off smile of derision.
The mob--the crowd--the mass--will arrive then.

reply to post by Extralien

Will we end up working full time for part time wages?
Something is drastically wrong.

If you look at it from a historical perspective, we already are.
That's the slowly boiling frog for you.

The UK Media, have seemingly gone out of their way to Avoid mentioning homeland problems. The Idiotic, Stupid piles of you know what that see Violence as a way to protest, should Stop and think for a while. They / We are fortunate to have such an understanding Police Force, so they deserve Full-time respect.

What is being covered-up and so far hidden away, by ,edia silence,?????

Are you aware of just how Privatised the NHS is now becoming ??

Collect an informative leaflet from your (UK) GP, next time you visit. You will then be able to read how SAINSBURY'S and VIRGIN, have both invested in the future of the NHS.

Hospitals are being told, by the Government, to Build new expansions. When it is then found that certain Hospitals (after carrying out such orders), cannot afford to run such. Hence the reason for so many hospitals being closed down these days.

UNIONS have a habit of calling strikes for one reason, but they also fail to explain the full True facts of what is really happening.

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Welcome to Nottingham.

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Collect an informative leaflet from your (UK) GP, next time you visit. You will then be able to read how SAINSBURY'S and VIRGIN, have both invested in the future of the NHS.

At least they are British investors, it could be worse...

Well I am glad the citizens of the UK give a damn.

Here in Michigan, you are just an annoying person if you bring up anything happening around the world that affects more than a group of 5 people.

Seriously, I think people have just accepted the way things are as normal, and its getting old real fast.

All just a matter of time before its in our streets. worldwide

Yep, yesterday was a nice peaceful affair. Nothing like a calming stroll through the streets of our capital city with a couple of hundred thousand others

The only direct action at all on the day, happened away from the protest in Oxford Street. (was standing outside a pub by this time, as I didn't want to listen to Ed Milliband or any of the other labourite speakers) Apparently blackbloc "occupied" carnaby hotel (owned by the hilton group, they use slave labour) But on the whole, it was a nie day out. Prehpas that's wrong. It shouldn't have been a nice day out, it should have been a battle where voices were raised and feelings felt. A to B marches like this one are a bit strange like that.

Maybe the 5th of nov will be different. (steet party/protest in Trafalgar Square)

reply to post by Acidtastic
Hi glad you were there.

I agree in part that an peaceful A - B march appears to achieve little on face value. Our press that have no interest in peaceful marches as we can see today. It is as if it never happened.

Maybe a March through areas that are affected by the cuts and involving those disenfranchised people, encourageing them to join in would be more productive than marching through a capital centre that does not care.

This is what the Tolpuddle march did.

Originally posted by ExtralienDo TPTB know something yet are afraid to tell us due to the amount of protests and riots that may ensue?

Very good point!

It is just insane how the media blackouts the demonstrations everywhere, and when they do they show it in a bad light. I wonder what is the agenda in all that???

THERE WILL BE ANOTHER MARCH IN LONDON ON 5th NOV, THOUSANDS WILL DECEND ON PARLIMENT TO PROTEST PEACEFULLY.

CANCEL ALL DEBT
END WAR
REDISTRIBUTE THE LAND
ELIMINATE POVERTY

www.operationjubilee.in...

Protests like those in Greece and OWS, the recent surrounding of the Congress building in Madrid and most previous protests have failed, because the protesters allowed the police to provoke and arrest individuals, one or two at a time, whilst everyone else let them get away with it, with an “I’m alright Jack” attitude, until it’s their turn, of course. Reverend Martin Niemoller famously stated - "In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me." The difference with Operation Jubilee, for it to succeed, is that it MUST be an all for one and one for all event; acting as one body, and any and all policemen who lay their hands on anyone protesting peacefully, especially Muad’Dib, will be citizen's arrested, using their own handcuffs against them. This will help the protest to turn out differently, for once. Both the people and the police need to know the rules that the people will be guided by. So that; if or when they attempt what they are likely to attempt (dragging away an individual); they will see that the people will do exactly what they said they would do, and that they have to keep their hands off peaceful protestors. Any weapons used against the people will be confiscated, by the people. THEY will try to lay down their fraudulent rules, falsely claiming they are laying down and enforcing the law, when they are NOT. If it isn’t in the Bible, it is NOT a law, but a fraudulent piece of man-made legislation. So tell them that, and ignore their unlawful fraudulent orders. If they try to enforce fraudulent legislation, they will be committing a crime against the people, and thus are criminals who must be arrested, irrespective of their appearance. In order to prevent THEM from saying that the operation’s rules would be an excuse for anarchists to do as they like, any wrong-doers among the people, will also be arrested by the people. That will also take care of any agent provocateurs/undercover cops - the ones who throw things, etc, in order to provoke a police charge and brutality. Peacefully protesting against treason, corruption and injustice is Lawful, and anybody who attempts to deny someone's right to do so is committing a crime, and will be arrested. Stay anonymous. Stay free and join Operation Jubilee.

WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT THESE PROTESTS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL MEDIA AND DO NOT WANT PEOPLE TO TURN UP IN THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS LIKE EGYPT.

SPREAD THE WORD....PEOPLE ARE THE POWER

Ungrateful Serfs! Don't they realise they must all have less so that the rich and the bankers can have more?

Seriously though, "Austerity" seems to be just that, hard times for the average Joe (or Josephine) while they ensure money is there to prop up the bankers who caused the mess in the first place. Those idiots should be behind bars with every penny they own siezed and their families put in council houses. After all, they are living off the proceeds of crime, are they not? Of course, it's only crime when the little guy does it.
No wonder the city of London is such a haven for rich criminals fleeing arrest warrants in their own countries.

We need to have more oversight of ALL government spending, from the local council level right to the very top. Make them all personally accountable for the decisions they make and every penny they commit to spending, just as I am in the private sector. That would sure help to cut down on the graft and corruption that plagues politics at all levels as, let us not forget, it is OUR money they are spending, NOT theirs. Let the big investment banks fail and their big investors lose, instead of the taxpayers bailing them out and being saddled with even more debt. After all, seeing the execs of bailed out entities swanning around in Bentleys, Private Jets and holidaying in their lush foreign villas does tend to rub it in a bit for the hardworking taxpayers. The same taxpayers who don't have corrupt lawyers finding "legal" tax avoidance schemes for them, that are the privilege of the rich only.

Rant over... need more coffee!

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If you want a soundtrack... Have at:














"Relax, they're Occupied...

Chaos, good news... It is happening.
Change the scheme, alter the mood...


Electrify the boys and girls, if you'd be so kind.


End of Line Club."

Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by Acidtastic

 

Hi glad you were there.



Maybe a March through areas that are affected by the cuts and involving those disenfranchised people, encourageing them to join in would be more productive than marching through a capital centre that does not care.

This is what the Tolpuddle march did.

I like this idea, bringing the issues direct to the people who are most affected by it, drumming up local support on a national scale. Then a huge march on parliament with several million in attendance all fired up. Well, one can dream.

An edit, I think I'll be watching the 5th from the saftey of home, that sounds like it's going to be on TV all night long (ie, incoming riot) And whilst I totally agree with what they say, I don't fancy being a guine pig on this new technique

Originally posted by Americanist
reply to post by Wifibrains

 

If you want a soundtrack... Have at:

edit on 21-10-2012 by Americanist because: (no reason given)

Man those tracks are abit heavy, I think its a bit soon for that.



They say history repeats itself, Note this protest is on the 5th nov, at parliment, organised by anonymous, who use the guy fawkes mask. Did guy Fawkes try to stop NWO all them yrs ago? Hmmmm.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Did guy Fawkes try to stop NWO all them yrs ago? Hmmmm.

No. Even a cursory look at the historical facts shows that Guy Fawkes and co wanted to impose a Catholoc World Order on a Protestant country (England). The Catholics at the time were not exactly progressive.

To topic. I loved all the Socialist Workers banners - just like the old days and just as off putting. I work in the public sector and just hate the TUC getting in the way of progress. They want us to return to a time which never existed.

Regards

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I know, I just had to do a refresher on that myself lol, i still find the timing and symbolism canny.

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I work in the public sector and just hate the TUC getting in the way of progress.

That progress would be what?

More unemployed? Destroyed pensions? No employment rights? No NHS? That sort of progress?