2012 Elections...You've All Been Conned

Originally posted by benrl
Why does every president get elected and than look like hell 4 years later, is it because they enter into it thinking they can do something and that they than see that really they have no power to do anything?

I noticed the exact same thing here in the uk too.
I think some foolishly believe they can change things, then they get TOLD!!!

FissionSurplus put it quite well when she posted about voting.

I look at it now like a car. Sure, it runs, but it is being towed by a big behemoth, and we sit behind the wheel, hit the gas, the brakes, and try to steer it, but we only have the illusion of control. It is being towed in one definite direction, and you can pretend all you want, it's going to go where it is being towed. I now choose not to get into that car at all.

The way I view "democracy" at least the bull version we have in this case...is like a car driving down a highway. Its been decided years ago, the route the car will head, and its final destination. the only thing changes are the drivers.
In this case Obama drives at 40 miles an hour...and if Romney gets to drive he will slam on the gas and go 100 miles an hour. Both going exactly the same way, just one determined to get there a hell of a lot quicker.


I honestly did not read the post directly above this one...but perhaps i took it in subconsciously...not exactly the same but very similar analogies. Great minds think alike I guess. haha

reply to post by jude11


I couldn't figure out why I don't give a rat's ass about watching the presidential debates and then I realized.....

I don't like "reality shows".

I was told my ex father in law who worked for Hewlard Packard a very interesting story one time after he had a few cocktails out on thier deck one evening......lol....I made the dude crazy, his son too with my ideas on politics....and honestly at the time I still had no clue.....

!st he told me that he had lied to his wife and family many times and was was sent on "secret" missions in the middle east to set up "spying" devices for the military.

2nd he told me that a good friend of his who worked for 20+ years in the white house as a secretary to several presidents, told him they all leave broken once they realize they are ultimately powerless to change anything.

Not looking good folks.....still voting Gary Johnson....if for no other reason then to be a "thorn in thier side"...

Scare tactics are quite common since it is generally difficult for one dictator to keep dissidents under control without the threat of violence, real or perceived.
They sold a Fake bomb to some wack job... Just for one big Show
They cant Conn a Conn

This is pretty funny that you posted this, I just watched the so called debate between Oreilly and Stewart. What a Con Job!!!! The night I knew it was coming on I went to the site and noticed it would cost $4.95....I am like WTF?? So, didnt buy it.

Couple weeks later, run across a Youtube video with the Young Turks (that should tell you something) and whats his name shows all highlights of Stewart, pretty funny by the way, and says that he kicked Oreilly's A**.

I download the debate and it really was a sham, CON JOB!! Both of them didn't really look like they know what there talking about and it really put Stewart in a bad light. The cards by Orielly, WOW...this guy went to Harvard.

Anyway, go watch Wag the Dog and you know where I am getting at.

reply to post by jude11


Policy Never Changes Much Now Does It?

Especially the current policy of Gridlock.

See you in the Lobby. S&F

reply to post by havok

So funny that people still believe either major party candidate will solve all problems.
Which is why they pick sides with whoever they like the most.
Usually not knowing the history of said candidate.
Going on just affiliation alone.

Exactly... and what I find more amazing is that everyone can some how align all their beliefs with one or the other. If they decide they want to be republican then they will adopt all the mainstream republican beliefs. For me such a thing would be impossible. I hold beliefs from both parties... for example:

* I agree with the majority of Ron Paul's policies.
* I believe in the free market and sound money.
* I believe in small Government with a balanced budget.
* I believe in decreased military spending and less policing of the world.
* I believe the Constitution dictates the absolute highest law in the US.
* I believe the fiat money system we have is corrupt and rotten.
* I believe in individual freedom and hate the war on drugs.

* I believe women have a right to choose abortion if they want.
* I believe in some implementations of social healthcare systems.
* I believe in some implementations of social welfare systems.
* I believe in a social type of cheap or free education for all.
* I believe the working class are the bread and butter of any economy.
* I believe decreased taxes for the rich and trickle down economics is rubbish.
* I care about the environment and place it above the economy.

So now you tell me... am I a Republican or Democrat. Or perhaps I'm just an individual without a per-crafted set of beliefs and instead I make my own mind up to develop my own mix and match of beliefs.

And don't be mistaken. Both parties DO want a larger Government, they both DO want higher taxes and more defence and military spending, they both want less individual freedoms, they both don't give a crap about the money system because it works for them. And even if one party did believe in a balanced budget there's no way they could ever reach it.

I totally agree. I bash Romney much more than Obama on these forums, but that is not because I support Obama. It is just that people already know what they are getting with Obama, and they are disillusioned to the point that some of them actually think Romney would do good things for this country. I get the same feeling as well when thinking about this.

It seems a better strategy to point out the blatant lies and faults of the candidates though, because many people on this board are still going to vote. But I agree that it does not really matter who wins. While I do not think things will turn out exactly the same, as far as the large issues are concerned, the outcomes are likely to be identical. For instance, what did Obama do to restore the tyranny of things similar to the Patriot Act? I cannot believe they actually ever had the audacity to spit in our faces by naming it that.

I decided that I would not vote at all. I think at this point that is the best option, although I have half a mind to vote for a more obscure candidate, but it is just a waste of time. What happened with Ron Paul should have been enough to awaken the whole country to the corruption of not just the Republican Party, but politics in general. It was obvious that there were people pulling the strings, powerful people, when the farce occurred that secured Romney the nomination...Despite the fact that Paul was pulling such large crowds compared to Romney, they wanted their puppet, so Paul got screwed. Simple as that.

So that should be proof enough of the puppet that is a candidate. It is also obvious when looking into the fact that powerful people donate lots of money to these politicians' campaigns, and this money does not come without strings. It just doesn't work that way, and if you are someone who has not realized this yet, you need to wake the hell up already, because you are partly at fault. We all are, because this tyranny, which is basically what it is, is something our forefathers would not have stood for. They went to war for less. This is more important of an issue considering how our country was founded, and the lives that were lost to do establish it.

The very principles established by our founding fathers are being not only neglected, but blatantly disregarded by these crooked politicians who are indebted to the corporations and other powerful people. It is our duty, as was said by our founding fathers, to rise up against this tyrannical behavior of our government, and anyone who says this is un-American or terroristic, or traitorous, does not understand this country in the least. The government punishes those who would rise against it, yet it fails to take into account that it has not only not fulfilled its obligations, it has oppressed the people in various ways. Ways that would not have been allowed at an earlier time in our history.

They only get away with it now because of propaganda machines like Fox News, who spin lies and create intellectual or political zombies, who parrot and believe everything they say. These people will not watch documentaries like "OutFoxed," which expose this blatant media corruption from beginning until now. I pity what this country has become, and not only do I pity those who do not take the time to get to the truth of the issues and who do not know enough about this country to realize we've been screwed, but I really am angry with them. Nothing can be done until the vast majority of citizens realize what is going on. Until then, those of us who aren't in the dark must sit on our hands and watch everything come crashing down. So let us know when you are ready people, so we can demonstrate on a scale large enough to draw adequate attention.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus

I totally agree. I bash Romney much more than Obama on these forums, but that is not because I support Obama. It is just that people already know what they are getting with Obama, and they are disillusioned to the point that some of them actually think Romney would do good things for this country. I get the same feeling as well when thinking about this.

It seems a better strategy to point out the blatant lies and faults of the candidates though, because many people on this board are still going to vote. But I agree that it does not really matter who wins. While I do not think things will turn out exactly the same, as far as the large issues are concerned, the outcomes are likely to be identical. For instance, what did Obama do to restore the tyranny of things similar to the Patriot Act? I cannot believe they actually ever had the audacity to spit in our faces by naming it that.

DING DING DING DING.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus
Thats the problem in it self, we only have two choices. The lesser of two Evils just doesnt fit in with my outlook on our President of my Country!!! No disrespect, but maybe this theory would work with my Manager at 7/11.

Romney and Obama aren't of single mind and don't have the same handlers.
I explained it recently but the idea was lost when it went over most people's heads.

However, it's just a choice of "choose your poison". Knowing Obama and his administration, however, I doubt they're going to let Romney win even if it means destroying the conventional charade of our electoral process and spilling blood. He's a ruthless dictator at the core, as are those who he surrounds himself with.

As far as voting goes: If voting actually made a discernible difference, and the results didn't make a select few obscenely powerful, then you wouldn't be permitted to do it. Democracy is an easily corrupted political system. It almost invariably evolves into two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
he told me that a good friend of his who worked for 20+ years in the white house as a secretary to several presidents, told him they all leave broken once they realize they are ultimately powerless to change anything.

No excuse for that except cowardice. They can change the world in a single speech but they fear too much for their life and family. I assume Bush junior was one such person because he expresses sincere remorse and regret and now wants to be left in solitude.
Obama and Romney are already corrupt tho and have been sycophantic servants to real power for a long time, so that's no issue for them.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
For instance, what did Obama do to restore the tyranny of things similar to the Patriot Act? I cannot believe they actually ever had the audacity to spit in our faces by naming it that.

They took notes when reading Nineteen Eight-Four - use euphemistic political language to camouflage morally outrageous ideas and actions. Also, using the guise of patriotism is a classic fascist propaganda strategy to defend their actions. Naming it the "PATRIOT Act" really did accomplish all of the above.

reply to post by TheLegend
I just watched some Neil Degrasse videos too... that guy should be our President....f***k Romney, Obama, Stewart, and Oreilly..and Honey Boooo Booo...thats my Point!!!??

Oh, and by the way, he mentions in one of his videos that a grad student in his class did a PHD Thesis on "what happends when Black Holes swallow each other (which was a question given to Degrasee by a 2nd Grader in a lecture hall) and he continues to say that the Math used to prove what would happen is way beyond even his Comprehension...WHERES THAT GUY!!! Oh ya, hired by NASA!!!! Or probably the CIA!!!!

blah blah blah.. tell me something I don't already know! Seriously the two parties are not so different, this is nothing new. They are both corrupt, nothing new. People are easily convinced because they want badly to believe in something and someone.. again nothing new.

Now what would be new is if you suggested a viable alternative to the current system and the people who are so easily convinced of it all.

reply to post by TheLegend


"No excuse for that except cowardice. They can change the world in a single speech but they fear too much for their life and family. I assume Bush junior was one such person because he expresses sincere remorse and regret and now wants to be left in solitude.
Obama and Romney are already corrupt tho and have been sycophantic servants to real power for a long time, so that's no issue for them."


I've thought this exact same thing......the President has the potential to change the world with a single speech....JFK infact did that and God knows he tried......and we all know what happened...he was murdered, and not by some lone guy that was set-up...ruthless to the core.....


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I'm not conned.

My biggest fear is that they'll KEEP their promises.

Anything predicated on 'America's a battlefield' has no future, so shove your promises, mister president. And pay off YOUR debt. I didn't sanction to pay off a technofascist police state. Did you?

I cannot wait to turn the next puppet into fodder.

He's gonna want to fang that new corporate jugular they call Kirtsaeng v John Wiley and sons. He'll be dipping that hungry dong into your happy hatch every time you have a garage sale, or any online commerce. A new corporate marriage between corporate and techno fascism. Look it up. They've been dying for this since 1908.

This is the very worst thing I have seen pimping across my monitor screen, as far as shaping society into Rollerball. It will kill everything that has a soul.

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So true.
The all get swept up by other's excitement.

you can see it the most in sport.
You Must support one or the other team in the supper bowl.
Sport is the best people controller they have.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder

I thnk that the bigger question is who is Ron Paul voting for? That would be an interesting question to find the results of, hmm, I bet its Romney.

Im going to give you the award for best post of the month!

Been driving me nuts seeing all the arguing over this when it makes no difference!