Whats the deal with the SU47?

Can it hack into the missiles electronics, plant a virus which will then spread and render all enemy electronics throughout their area of control useless?

sminkey pinkye, by the time they are able to do that, BOOM, u're dead lol, do u have any idea how low the success rate of this happening is, i hard its somewhere around 12%, which is hilarious really, and seekeroff, no, the plane won't cost anywhere near 70 million dollars, thats too expensive, the russians are gunna keep the price low so that they can get some income from it, so, a more reasonable estimate is around 40-50 million

and the JSF doesn't have a laser defense, lol, thats the funniest thing i've ever heard, lol, the amount of elctricity needed to power that is more than like 15-20 plasma generator's, and american scientists said that plamsa generator's consume too much power, so please, good one though lol

"does it have a defensive laser like the JSF ??? to get rid of missiles"

ROFLMAO!

Originally posted by Dima
and the JSF doesn't have a laser defense, lol, thats the funniest thing i've ever heard, lol, the amount of elctricity needed to power that is more than like 15-20 plasma generator's, and american scientists said that plamsa generator's consume too much power, so please, good one though lol

JSF will probably have 100kW laser able to shoot down incoming misilles. The power input is not a problem, because marine version uses a lift fan for vertical take off. In other versions liftfan could be replaced by generator and laser with one or two small retrctable turrets. It is know that JSF engine IS ABLE TO PRODUCE SO MUCH POWER, the only chalenge is to create smaller 100kW solid state laser. Current versions have only 25 kw.

Originally posted by longbow

Originally posted by Dima
and the JSF doesn't have a laser defense, lol, thats the funniest thing i've ever heard, lol, the amount of elctricity needed to power that is more than like 15-20 plasma generator's, and american scientists said that plamsa generator's consume too much power, so please, good one though lol

JSF will probably have 100kW laser able to shoot down incoming misilles. The power input is not a problem, because marine version uses a lift fan for vertical take off. In other versions liftfan could be replaced by generator and laser with one or two small retrctable turrets. It is know that JSF engine IS ABLE TO PRODUCE SO MUCH POWER, the only chalenge is to create smaller 100kW solid state laser. Current versions have only 25 kw.

lol, the key word that u said was probably, which everyone knows, will most likely mean no, it would be impractical to use a laser generator, i don't think u know wat u're talking about, because if u have seen the lasers that the army uses, they're mounted on the ground, they say that its too heavy for any vehicle too carry, and it requires just too much power, thats why u don't see lasers on Abrams tanks, regrettably, that would be awesome though, and thats why they won't include it in an F-35, beause, first of all, way too much power, 100Kw,u kidding me

the sheels that the laser system was shotting at were going at Mach 1.1, so imagine a missile coming at Mach 3-4.5, it would take even more power too destroy it in time before the missile hits the aircraft

but, lasers are a good idea, just not practical, yet, hu knows, someday, we might have pulse weapons, and plasma weapons on our planes

oh and i just noticed(stupid me) that creating a laser system, would be very expensive, well thats all, yea it would be too expenisve lol

"JSF has a laser" is said a lot, but no, it does not have a laser, however it was proposed back in its infancy, they know relize that having a laser on bored isn't practicle because that tech for that size is still a decade away.

But, it can focus its radar on the enemy missile which jams it, making the missile miss its intended target, (think of a magnify glass - if you hold it over paper outside in the sun light it gets bright, but if you turn the magnify glass at a slant it focuses its beam enough to start the paper on fire).

oh, and the SU-47 is just playing the same role as the X-31 did, show boating around and letting the public see what thrust vectoring can really do. It will not go into production.

[edit on 18-11-2004 by Murcielago]

thats where your wrong, the Su-47 will go into production, thats why they changed the designation from S-37 to Su-47, because any country that orders one will be able to get one, they will build it for them, and i am not familiar with how radar can concentrate in one location and jam an incoming missile, but i heard the stats on this, and it said somewhere a 12% success rate, which is pretty low, but i would really like to learn more about this if u on' mind

thanx for not getting pissed off at me yet, lol thanks a lot, really i appreciate this, u're an awesome guy_javascript:icon('')
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Russia's Stregthn is projecting weekness so Russia can destroy thier enemies better, I beleive there are already 1000 5Generation MiG 1.44 built but Rus will keep it secret till it's time for WW3, remenber when Rus looked week in the past He destroyed His enemies, Russia just sits and lets blabber mouths like the west tell what thire building so Russia can build a better plane/tank bodyarmer Rus/U.S already have had exoskeleton suits scince the 89's.

[edit on 18-11-2004 by SiberianTiger]

[edit on 18-11-2004 by SiberianTiger]

Originally posted by titus

Originally posted by Raptorkiller3334
I wonder how it would perform against the F-16 or F-15, I hear that the Fighting Falcon is extremely maneuverable and deadly with amraams or aim 9s.

it would wack both in dogfight, as for maneuverability of berkut - try moving paper through air backwards...

get it?
but otherwise it depends on the training of pilot and avionics in the aircraft.

Dog fighting it would have the advantage. Unfortunately for the S-37 pilot, he would never get the chance, because US aircraft have the edge in BVR combat.

Originally posted by SiberianTiger
Russia's Stregthn is projecting weekness so Russia can destroy thier enemies better, I beleive there are already 1000 5Generation MiG 1.44 built but Rus will keep it secret till it's time for WW3, remenber when Rus looked week in the past He destroyed His enemies, Russia just sits and lets blabber mouths like the west tell what thire building so Russia can build a better plane/tank bodyarmer Rus/U.S already have had exoskeleton suits scince the 89's.

100% rediculous

1000 planes kept secret...ARE YOU SERIOUS, no country could EVER hide that many planes.

and when you say "exoskeleton" is this what your referring to, because these have a LONG way to go if they ever actualy go into use (which I highly doubt), they have to be recharge often and a lot of maintainence, escpecialy in the freakin desert!



[edit on 19-11-2004 by Murcielago]

lol, yes I doubt that they have that many, 1000 SU47'z, BUT ! it would not be impossible for a counyry to hide 1000 planes, they could have a underground plant that produces them and stores them in underground hangers .... !

Originally posted by Dima
lol, the key word that u said was probably, which everyone knows, will most likely mean no, it would be impractical to use a laser generator, i don't think u know wat u're talking about, because if u have seen the lasers that the army uses, they're mounted on the ground, they say that its too heavy for any vehicle too carry, and it requires just too much power, thats why u don't see lasers on Abrams tanks, regrettably, that would be awesome though, and thats why they won't include it in an F-35, beause, first of all, way too much power, 100Kw,u kidding me

the sheels that the laser system was shotting at were going at Mach 1.1, so imagine a missile coming at Mach 3-4.5, it would take even more power too destroy it in time before the missile hits the aircraft

I said "probably" because it's not ready yet. But it is "very likely", satisfied? The solid state laser is much smaller than chemical. For your info Zeus solid state lasers with 15-25kW are mounted on humvee. So humvee has enough power and space for 25kW laser and JSF not for 100kW, huh? The reason, why it's not used on abrams is that it has not good armour penentrating ability. It will never be able to penentrate 500mm of armour.
BTW there are many threads on JSF laser on ATS, just do same search.

Some people here said that the day of the dogfight is over. That has been said at least twice before and proven wrong. What about the enourrmous cost of the expendable munitions used here or stealth and the element of surprised. Just because the US has stealth it doesnt mean that other countries havent. Maybe they are just better at keeping it a secret.

Originally posted by Kenshin
lol, yes I doubt that they have that many, 1000 SU47'z, BUT ! it would not be impossible for a counyry to hide 1000 planes, they could have a underground plant that produces them and stores them in underground hangers .... !

And then you have 1000 planes that are not flight ready and no trained pilots to fly them. A plane needs to fly to train its pilots, which means a runway , spare parts, fuel, and communications, so it would be impossible to hide sucha large group of planes.

Also the JSF will have a laser, Northrop Grunman and Raytheon are competing to build one. ask Intelgurl if you dont believe me.

Originally posted by Kenshin
lol, yes I doubt that they have that many, 1000 SU47'z, BUT ! it would not be impossible for a counyry to hide 1000 planes, they could have a underground plant that produces them and stores them in underground hangers .... !

I wasn't even talking about SU-47's i meant just 1,000 planes in general, and an underground structure that huge would be easily noticed by satellites because of its sheer size of the project. and even if you build 1,000 planes which would cost a hell of a lot especially when you just keep them in storage deteriorating.

So the guys that said Russia is just waiting for WWIII must be an idiot.

Originally posted by JamesBlonde
Some people here said that the day of the dogfight is over. That has been said at least twice before and proven wrong. What about the enourrmous cost of the expendable munitions used here or stealth and the element of surprised. Just because the US has stealth it doesnt mean that other countries havent. Maybe they are just better at keeping it a secret.

Uhm, no. Actually in stealth VS stealth case the dogfight is the highest posibility.

yo, a humvee doesn't have a laser on it, buddy, wat the hell are u talking bout?jeeze, thats friggin crazy

well actually, its not really that crazy if it requires very small amounts of power, but then again, it will take like half an hour to blow up an artillery sheel, which is the main purpose of it, so, its just a stupid idea, where did u ge the information from?

just curious

yo american mad man, do u know wat u're talking about, u at like u guya are the masters of BVR, well, news flash, holy crak, U AREN'T
russia had it way before any of u're planes had it, thats why their planes are known well for it, because they were the first ones, and i plan on seeing the BVR increasing from 45 degrees to 60 degrees for the future russian aircraft

BVR is a new thing to p;lanes, the russians have had it on their MiG-29's for nearly 30 years