I have proof Obamacare will ruin healthcare in America

I now know why patients die of hunger and thirst in socialist hospitals, (google the state of healthcare in UK/England); why they have bedsores; why they die from neglect.

I just spent 5 days in a fantastic American hospital. I had a full RN attend me the entire time, asking me if I needed anything or needed pain meds every 4 hours. The therapist even refilled my water jug. The cleaning person was through and nice. I ordered my meals room service style and they were delivered when I wanted them, and what I wanted exactly, not at the hospital's convenience. If I hadn't been on death's door, it would have been nicer than a stay at a spa.

My insurance is the military health insurance which pays the same as medicare, and will be merged with Obamacare, and will be what Obamacare will pay once it is in full force.

My bill, well good for me, my copay was, ta da, $30.

But,,,,,,, here is the kicker ..... and my husband and I have seen this over and over and over with our healthcare and feel fortunate that our Doctors and the local fantastic hospital will take our insurance ..........
the bill to the insurance company was around $5K (about $1K per day, which all considering I think is quite reasonable) ..... what did my insurance pay? ....... $600. That's right. About what you would pay to stay in a low end hotel with a free breakfast.

Hospitals will not be able to have any decent level of care with this kind of payment. That's why the horror stories out of England, who has had for years "Obamacare".

What about Doctors? Our payments to Doctors have been as awful as the payments to the hospitals. While we pay very little and are grateful, the Doctors who have overhead expenses (nurses, receptionists, billing specialists) are paid just as horribly by our insurance as the hospitals.

Doctors come out of medical school an average of $250K+ in student debt and don't have the debt paid off until they are 40 normally. So the image of the rich Dr. is just that an image, unless they are a specialist and then not until their late middle age. If all insurance pays Dr.s as little as Obamacare pays now, people will realize that to be a Dr. will mean a lifetime of debt repayment for becoming one.

For those of you who are for it, wait until you are on death's door under it and are left to rot in a bed, or even denied care because you have aged out of being eligible for a life saving procedure, given pain pills and sent home to die. Yes, that is in Obamacare.

I want it repealed and am doing all I can to spread the word. Some aspects are good, I want us to get rid of the monstrosity no one bothered to read all the way through before voting on it. Then put back the "good" parts in small increments that people can read before voting on it.

Have to run errands, back in a few to reply to posters!

Healthcare is already a mess in this country.

Romney care or Obama care, makes no difference. Everyone's best bet is to keep themselves healthy as best they can. If you need doctors and hospitals, good luck. But I think avoiding them is probably the best thing.

I don't think anyone has a solid plan to straighten out the mess.

Our health care would be great if the money wasnt bottle necked to poeople who sit on chairs all day, push pens and do # all, all day. If the money was given to the staff who work over 14 hour shifts then we would see a much more greater work effort. We have the capability to be much greater than what we are, but the idle pen pushers are just that, idle.

I'm glad my country helps you without checking you;re pockets first for insurance. Yes they may of not left you to die, but you would be chagred and may as well of been dead because you aint able to ever afford that bill.

If theres one thing I'm glad I pay my taxes for, thats people's healthcare

UK here btw

Not only is it going to be bad for us citizens, it is going to seriously hurt small business, like the company I work for.
I have been letting everyone know what I learned from our accountants. It is also going to affect workers comp.
So not only is it going to affect my healthcare, it has the potential to put my company out of business.

Yep, great all the way around.

Allowing government control of your health is foolish.

There can be only two final scenarios...

One is a perfect Utopia where all illnesses and health care issues and wellness is cared for
*perfectly* by nurses in long flowing gowns while harp music plays in the back ground
and doctor's arrive on regal white unicorns...

The other is a not-so-perfect scenario where your body is treated like a postal package
marked "fragile" by uncaring, under-payed health care workers who see you and your health
as a nuisance---overseen by a bunch of government bureaucrats who see you as nothing
more than an expense that needs to be trimmed...

This country is being forced down the tubes and flushed....and the control structure is in
place now to keep you from even complaining about it....you terrorist!

reply to post by chiefsmom


I understand a lot of small businesses are dropping healthcare for their employees and are going to let them go on Obamacare.

I can tell you from experience. It is very difficult to get a Dr. to agree to take you on it. The best in any field refuse to take military insurance at all, yes that is so true. And remember military insurance is what Obamacare will pay, so only the overworked doctors who push through too many patients per hour will accept it. My illness was left to get worse and worse by those types of Doctors until I landed nearly dead in the hospital.

reply to post by grandmakdw

My insurance is the military health insurance which pays the same as medicare, and will be merged with Obamacare, and will be what Obamacare will pay once it is in full force.

This is false.

There is no such thing as a type of insurance that will be called "Obamacare". That is the nickname the entire legislation was given. There is no new government sponsored insurance plan that is in it.

That's why the horror stories out of England, who has had for
years "Obamacare".

Once again, this is false.

The UK has nothing like "Obamacare". There system is actually much better.

For those of you who are for it, wait until you are on death's door under it and are left to rot in a bed, or even denied care because you have aged out of being eligible for a life saving procedure, given pain pills and sent home to die. Yes, that is in Obamacare.

This is a lie started by the brain whiz Sara Palin.


In short, your entire post is full of mis-information and outright lies.

It's surprising to hear people say doctors arent being paid enough in the US. The problem in Ontario is doctors graduate and head to the US because they get paid more than staying in Ontario. I always curse our system because most people don't have family doctors and those that do have to wait to see them, etc. However, 2 days ago my 3yr old was attacked by a dog and had numerous bites on his face. It took 7 hours from the time we were admitted to the time we were discharged but we don't pay a cent. I don't think any system can be 100%. It is finding a happy medium which could be having 2 systems. The free system for those that don't have insurance and private healthcare for those that can afford to pay.

Obamacare has nothing to do with healthcare, it has to

do with PRIVATE insurance.

All it does is force people to purchase private insurance or pay a tax. It is the same system that Romney passed in Massachusetts.

How can you be so misinformed still?

I'm not sure what hospitals in the UK these horror stories come from but whenever i've been to A&E it's been actually quite speedy and the staff were pleasant. And the four times i've had to stay on the wards for a few nights for surgery on my arm i was always well taken care of, asked if i was alright and whenever the nurse wasn't around and i was in pain you have this handy button to press and they come round to attend to you, simple system really.

At least i know i can always call an ambulance and not have to prove i have insurance before being taken to an appropriate hospital.

I guess it's swings and roundabouts in any country

How did this thread get 4 lies when it is 100% dis-info? Absolutely nothing in the OP is based in reality.

"Obamacare" is a GOP plan.

reply to post by HostileApostle


Oh you are so wrong. There will be a government sponsored insurance program. We on the military insurance have been told that our insurance will be merged with the new government sponsored insurance program. This new program will pay the same as our current insurance, so poorly the healthcare system will become like Europe's.

I lived in Germany for 6 years, where they have socialized medicine. Terrific if you are healthy and have the occasional cold, flu, etc. If you get really sick, forget it, you may die before you get the tests you need or see the doctors you need to see.

reply to post by 3chainz


This is completely true!!!!!

I just got my statement from the hospital.

This happened to me and much as you would like it not to be true it is, sorry darlin.

Thank god that we have healthcare, even the oldest one in the world. And it works fine.

I do get it that many of the US-Americans don't want it. I don't get it - why not? In fact, I don't care anymore. To me, and to the majority of the Germans, as having a healthcare system for everybody since 1883, it is the normal state that we DON'T GO BANKRUPT EVEN WITH CANCER OR ANYTHING SERIOUS PRODUCING HIGH COSTS!

My daughter had an open-heart-surgery. We didn't have to pay anything, healthcare for children is completely free!

Go ahead, tell me why it is a bad thing that I could let my daughter have an operation on her heart without me going bankrupt. I am sure that there is a way like "hey, somebody paid for that surgery!" - nevertheless, our health insurances are rich in such a way, that I will even get money back from my health insurance.

Therefore, there IS a possible way for EVERYBODY to receive EVERY NEEDED MEDICAL SERVICE, without anyone going bankrupt or feeling "being in socialism".

reply to post by 3chainz

You are wrong!

It has a great deal to do with healthcare.

It will make it easier for companies to drop their private insurance and pay the penalty than to cover their employees in plans that have to get more expensive to pay for the likes of me. That is already what a lot of companies are doing.

reply to post by HostileApostle

In Obamacare, there IS a provision for a panel to decide on how to "ration" healthcare.

They will decide if someone over a certain age should or should not receive a lifesaving treatment. That edict will apply to everyone on government insurance regardless of general health or mental status.

Obama himself said it is better to let an old person die with pain meds than to get expensive treatment that might let them live a few more healthy years. He said this on the campaign trail in 2008, and you bet it will be policy in Obamacare.

Originally posted by 3chainz
How did this thread get 4 lies when it is 100% dis-info? Absolutely nothing in the OP is based in reality.

You expected facts and reason in this thread? Silly you. This is a fear-mongering thread, fueled by the GOP dis-info brigade. You also know that Obama is a Communist/Marxist/Kenyan/Muslim/Fascist Dictator, right?

Originally posted by grandmakdw
reply to post by HostileApostle

 

Oh you are so wrong. There will be a government sponsored insurance program. We on the military insurance have been told that our insurance will be merged with the new government sponsored insurance program. This new program will pay the same as our current insurance, so poorly the healthcare system will become like Europe's.

I lived in Germany for 6 years, where they have socialized medicine. Terrific if you are healthy and have the occasional cold, flu, etc. If you get really sick, forget it, you may die before you get the tests you need or see the doctors you need to see.

You mean like in Sweden? It's working pretty well for the Swedes (longer lifespan than Americans, lower infant mortality rates, higher patient satisfaction, etc.) ...

www.sweden.se...

Of course, Obama wasn't allowed to set up this kind of healthcare system -- the GOP wouldn't let him. So what we ended up with is something better than we had, but not as good as it could have been.

Seems to me, off the cuff, that if the reason healthcare costs are astoundingly high is because doctor's have $250,000 or more in student debt then we need to reform the cost of higher education and malpractice law and insurance. Seems to me that big pharmacy companies charging $50.00 for a scrip that cost $1.50 to produce is kinda scalping...monopoly...call it what you want...but it adds to the problems now doesn't it? I am not against free trade and profitability...just making an observation.

It's a freaking scam. The truth is, the "best" medical care is not intended to keep the "masses alive". It's made for the wealthy and the powerful...you know...the "important" people. Hell there is too many people now. If they continue to "extend life" and people keep on popping out babies...we will have a big problem down the road. Yes-yes, I have heard both sides of the coin...that as people live longer, the birth rate is coming down...fulla-bulla...makes no difference...there are too many people today...not enough jobs to go around as it is...and we wonder why unemployment is so high here in the USA and the rest of the world.

Back on topic...

I dislike Obamacare because it is a mandate that says that the average public citizen MUST buy a private product and/or service. That is not freedom...it's MY money, I'll do with it what I want...thank you very much. I dislike that it goes to the criminals on Wall Street in security exchanges...yes, that is who backs up the insurance markets. So essentially, you are being told you have to prop up a segment of the securities exchange and assure their success...to me, this is cronyism. When the Gov colludes with a private industry and makes the citizens participate in a program that basically assures their profitability...that has something deeply wrong with it.

Just my opinion though.

reply to post by ManFromEurope

I'm glad your daughter is ok, that is wonderful.

However, what I saw of the German system when I lived there was long waiting lines and long waits if you had anything serious. I heard my German neighbors complain if there were a serious illness for older people.

I even came to the perverse conclusion that the government doesn't discourage the rampant smoking and over drinking because it kills people at a younger age. Taking care of end of life terrific expenses at an earlier age costs less than years and years of pensions and then paying for end of life high expenses. I came to that conclusion because the government doesn't seem to discourage bad physical habits, (fatty fried foods, chain smoking, alcohol costing less per ml than water) I nearly choked to death every time I went out in public with the cloud of second hand smoke.

By the way, nonetheless, I LOVED my years in Germany and miss a great deal about it. It may not sound like it, but I really did love my years there. Choooooooosssseeee