Please explain how every lunar backdrop can be identified on Mauna Kea in Google Earth?

since no 3D shot of the mountains on the moon were taken/released then there is no way to confirm or deny they match anything on earth. They might look similar from one angle but from another they might be way off. If the moon mission was a real hoax someone would have blown the whistle on it. The Russians or Chinese or others interested. Or one of the people working on it before they died. I think we really went there and it happened but the reason why we don't go back often is the real question we should be asking.

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As has been said: apparently you do not understand physics. Which is okay, not everyone does.

However, it also means you didn't watch the video, or didn't understand what was being done.

Basically, the pendulum looses energy due to gravity, which affects the amount of swing it will have. The less gravity (IE the moon), the more it will swing and slower it takes to loose energy.

You can't recreate that with any special effect known back then (today we'd use CGI to do it). Simply "slowing down the video" will not recreate it.

I've seen many Moon Hoaxers try to debunk the video, all failing to do so:

"they slowed down the video" - that won't recreate the pendulum's actions, and the astronauts movements would look strange.

"they used green screen tech" - sorry, but with the way the astronauts are interacting with the equipment.

"They used a motor to make the pendulum keep swinging" - that would have introduced torque into the strap and would have twisted it.

Again: many MH's have tried to debunk the video.....so far all have failed, so they turn around and ignore it.

If you spend 5 minutes on google earth looking at the Hawaii sites, you will change your mind. Japan did blow the whistle that there was no evidence of the apollo landings based on images they had taken, then it all went quiet.

An unmanned mission then placed props on the moon to buy a few more years and a NASA spokes person made it clear the lunar landing sites were out of bounds to future space missions. This is curious because the artefacts left on the moon should provide useful information on the longevity of space craft.. Moon bases etc.

To keep it as a monument is against scientific principles.

Nobody curious as to why google has had To Offer a price for private teams to design a lunar surface probe? NASA should have a 40 year head start on the private sector, use your brains people it makes no sense on any level.

This delusion that we went to the moon had to end.

Originally posted by rolfharriss
If you spend 5 minutes on google earth looking at the Hawaii sites, you will change your mind. Japan did blow the whistle that there was no evidence of the apollo landings based on images they had taken, then it all went quiet.

An unmanned mission then placed props on the moon to buy a few more years and a NASA spokes person made it clear the lunar landing sites were out of bounds to future space missions. This is curious because the artefacts left on the moon should provide useful information on the longevity of space craft.. Moon bases etc.

To keep it as a monument is against scientific principles.

Nobody curious as to why google has had To Offer a price for private teams to design a lunar surface probe? NASA should have a 40 year head start on the private sector, use your brains people it makes no sense on any level.

This delusion that we went to the moon had to end.

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edit on 17-10-2012 by rolfharriss because: Comma

I believe you should actually take your own advice to heart and "use your brain" as you put it.

When you start making wild statements with NOTHING to back it up, you come across as: a person making wild statements with NOTHING to back it up with.

Here, let me show you how it's done:

You just said:

Japan did blow the whistle that there was no evidence of the apollo landings based on images they had taken, then it all went quiet.

Not true. Here you go, images taken by their probes of the Apollo landing sites:

Third Party Evidence for Apollo Landing Sites

Google Image Search: Japanese Moon Probe Apollo Landing Sites

It "went quite" because the images show that we landed there. Case closed. There was nothing else to discuss on that (unless of course you believe that they Japanese "faked it").

You said:

If you spend 5 minutes on google earth looking at the Hawaii sites, you will change your mind.

So far, it's not changed anyone's minds that have bother posting here. Actually, almost all that have responded to you have said: No, they don't match.

Yet true to Moon Hoaxer form, you ignore that and continue to press something that has been proven repeatedly to be wrong, incorrect and does not match up at ALL!.
Instead you continue to try and push it, ignoring people, and is the same as sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA!"......an you ask people to be "open minded"

By the way, China's Chang'e 2 probe also imaged traces of the Apollo 15 landing site.....

So....where are your sources and data? Besides distorted topography maps made by Google, which even distorted do not match the moon landscape at all.

The landscape exactly matches the Apollo backdrops, it is so clear that so long as this thread keeps active more people will identify the sites and stop this ridiculous deception.

A corrupt police officer analogy. If a police office is prosecuted for corruption all of the cases the evidence in all of the cases they were involved in comes into question.

9/11 and the cover up makes the U.S government the corrupt police officer at the moment his fellow officers are too entwined to expose it, but if we keep fighting for justice for the whole human race and our intentions are altruistic then all of the lies will collapse.

Originally posted by rolfharriss
The landscape exactly matches the Apollo backdrops, it is so clear that so long as this thread keeps active more people will identify the sites and stop this ridiculous deception.

A corrupt police officer analogy. If a police office is prosecuted for corruption all of the cases the evidence in all of the cases they were involved in comes into question.

9/11 and the cover up makes the U.S government the corrupt police officer at the moment his fellow officers are too entwined to expose it, but if we keep fighting for justice for the whole human race and our intentions are altruistic then all of the lies will collapse.

Thank you!

You just proved every single thing I said about Moon Hoaxers in my previous post.'

You have also just shown that as far as you are concerned, everyone else in this thread that has replied to you in the negative on your Google Images, and have also shown that you are incorrect: are wrong in your eyes, and only you (the only one in this thread), are right.

You've just dropped your credibility to Zero.

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The landscape exactly matches the Apollo backdrops, it is so clear that so long as this thread keeps active more people will identify the sites and stop this ridiculous deception.

Let's take a vote. Everyone who thinks the two pictures look alike say: "I agree with the OP." Everyone who thinks they don't look alike, say "I disagree with the OP."

I disagree with the OP.

reply to post by DJW001

I disagree with the OP.

The photos are not a match.

reply to post by DJW001


I've already stated it in my previous posts, however:

I disagree: the Google Images are not a match, as that much erosion can not occur that fast, and there are places where the hills and mountains would have to of added mass to match.

reply to post by r2d246


I could touch on your claims, your lack of basic physics knowledge, and your videos (I watched all the short ones and the first twenty minutes of the Universal Studios video), but it seems like wmd_2008 and eriktheawful have said enough.

But, my question is: Anyone can find or create and link to videos that will further their claim. Have you done any actual research on your own or are you just watching television/YouTube?

reply to post by rolfharriss


I bet you're wrong! The "Google scrubs the images to hide everything because of X" is nothing but Google updating the maps. There is a reason their maps are the best, and that's because they keep them current. Roads, buildings, and even the landscape is changed pretty regularly.

The full quote by Neil Armstrong, which I believe you intentionally misquoted to help your argument, is, "There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers." I've seen that same quote, misused in the same way, before by people making similar claims as yours.


reply to post by rolfharriss


When did Japan come forward with claims that we never went to the Moon? Can you provide some evidence. I find it odd that Japan, a territorial and economical ally, would be so ready and willing to do something like that. Especially since China, a territorial and economical rival, is making the opposite claim.

If we launched unmanned missions to place artifacts, as you claim, when were they launched? Where were they launched from? Mass is still mass, and back then you needed a Saturn V to get to the Moon. That's a pretty big rocket to keep hidden, much less launch without notice during the height of the Cold War. So how did NASA get away with that?

On a side note, I'm typing this as I read through the responses. It looks like eriktheawful beat me to it again!

reply to post by DJW001


I think it's pretty clear what my stance on this is, but just to make sure: I disagree with rolfharriss' claims.

But everyone who disagrees with the OP doesn't believe in anything other than the word of the government.

It's the same old names who repeat the same story.

Lets wait for that Google update on Hawaii !

Erosion can account for some of the changes but it is not really needed because so many of the sites you can find on Google Earth are identical to the 'Apollo' landing sites'

There has been lots of earth moving to create the roads. It stands as a new piece of evidence to refute the Apollo landing claim.

The only way to reveal the hoax for us to collaborate and work together just like the only way to refute it is. If enough people check the sites on Google Earth around Mauna Kea we can prove once and for all that it was all a hoax.

You have stated the case you disagree with it, that is o.k we are all entitled to an opinion but this is an open call for others to check the sites themselves. There will be better ones there that I have not found.

This is a conspiracy site, but certain subjects seem to attract the same characters who swarm on a thread and bury it. 9/11 is another subject, anything to do with peace and not bombing the hell out of Iran gets buried.

The Moon hoax is one of the most dangerous ones because it was the green card for a bunch of crazy megalomaniacs to do whatever they pleased! Because it confirmed to the Elites the public believes everything they are fed.

If the Moon Landing hoax had been revealed there would have been no 9/11 they are directly related and everyone one of these conspiracies that is discussed needs to be approached in a different way. Instead of separating them into boxes we should explore how they link, what names correlate, who benefited? We do this and we get to a post false flag society.
The internet has the capacity to create a more informed public and we may get close to something approaching a democracy within 20 years. The only way to do this is to expose the mismanagement and corruption of the past. If the moon landings had not been faked then we would be approaching the time now that a manned mission would be happening.

If Google alters the Mauna Kea Google Earth data then we have our confirmation.. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

But right now you can see the 'moon' back drops on Mauna Kea Hawaii go and have a browse on Google Earth good people of the world.

Peace.

reply to post by rolfharriss


It is the same people saying the same things. I guess we're the only ones who like banging our heads against a brick wall. I guess we're just as stubborn as you are.

There actually hasn't been much Earth moving on Mauna Kea. A good portion of it, especially where you claim, seems to be within a state park or other preserve. I would assume that vastly limits the type of construction work that could be done there. Also, wouldn't there be some evidence of There is only one road reaching the summit, and most of the construction is at the summit, not along the sides of the mountain.

You claim that we are all entitled to our opinion, but most of our claims have been in verifiable facts. Yours have been crude image projections and speculation, though passed off as facts. So who's failing here?

People keep pointing out that the 3D mapping projections in Google Earth can, at times, be misleading and downright incorrect. Why have you not addressed that concern? Also, what if when Google Earth updates that area nothing changes? What will your argument be then?

Originally posted by rolfharriss
But everyone who disagrees with the OP doesn't believe in anything other than the word of the government.

It's the same old names who repeat the same story.

Incorrect: making an assumption of others whom you know not. There have been a few others that have posted in this thread that are Moon Hoax believers, but have discredited your theory you have presented.

Erosion can account for some of the changes but it is not really needed because so many of the sites you can find on Google Earth are identical to the 'Apollo' landing sites'

No it can not. The amount of erosion that you are saying that must have happened is a tremendous amount (check out the size of those hills, they are not small mounds, only a few feet high) that could not have happened in the the only short amount of time since the Apollo Moon Landings.

And no, you have NOT proven one single example of a Google Earth picture that matches the landscape of the moon. Repeating that you have (when you have not), will not change the fact that you have NOT proven this.

There has been lots of earth moving to create the roads. It stands as a new piece of evidence to refute the Apollo landing claim.

So: people building roads on the Earth = Apollo Moon Landings were hoaxed.

Sorry, but that statement there falls under the category of "Wild Claims". Also you have yet to provide any evidence for this. Do your Google Earth pictures where hills and mountains are lower / higher than those on the moon show roads there, that were not there before? Can you show that? And can you show it for each and every example that you are trying to pass off as evidence?

The only way to reveal the hoax for us to collaborate and work together just like the only way to refute it is. If enough people check the sites on Google Earth around Mauna Kea we can prove once and for all that it was all a hoax.

Sure, everyone can go look, and so far, everyone that has (except you), has not agreed with you on this. Also, good investigative work follows a scientific method, which is to Ask A Question First (Not "Assume Your Theory Is True"). It also means that you can not ignore evidence that detracts from your theory. Ignoring that evidence does not make something true.

This is a conspiracy site, but certain subjects seem to attract the same characters who swarm on a thread and bury it. 9/11 is another subject, anything to do with peace and not bombing the hell out of Iran gets buried.

The Moon hoax is one of the most dangerous ones because it was the green card for a bunch of crazy megalomaniacs to do whatever they pleased! Because it confirmed to the Elites the public believes everything they are fed.

If the Moon Landing hoax had been revealed there would have been no 9/11 they are directly related and everyone one of these conspiracies that is discussed needs to be approached in a different way. Instead of separating them into boxes we should explore how they link, what names correlate, who benefited? We do this and we get to a post false flag society.
The internet has the capacity to create a more informed public and we may get close to something approaching a democracy within 20 years. The only way to do this is to expose the mismanagement and corruption of the past. If the moon landings had not been faked then we would be approaching the time now that a manned mission would be happening.

It's because certain subjects on here (like Moon Landing Hoax) have been talked about to death here on ATS. Many start new threads, no one ever proves that they were hoaxed. Only certain people persist (even ones that have been banned from the site try to come back over and over......).

You seem very bent on linking 9/11 to Moon Landing Hoax. Perhaps your thread would be better suited in that forum instead of Space Exploration.

Guys it already has been scrubbed,

I am retiring from conspiracy forums as I have just done a poop of fear in my pants.

Godbless !!

reply to post by rolfharriss


Sometimes you feel like this is the only course of action with people who just dont understand!!!

reply to post by DJW001


I disagree with the OP.

The photos don't match.

reply to post by DJW001


I disagree with the OP.

The photos are not a match.

reply to post by cmdrkeenkid


All you mean all the MSM research? That research? That propoganda intel that says we went? Come on get real. The history books are written by TPTB.

I disagree with the OP. Too many images from Apollo that don't match up with Hawaii.



We went to the Moon. I saw the red dot on its way when I was a kid looking through my father's binoculars.