Hearing God

Ive had a couple of experiences like tinfoilman and eleven44 as well, but I see it as synchronicities caused by something more intelligent than me. Not necessarily a God as in organized religion. Just some intelligence that is helping me in that moment.

In school we are tought to disregard anything that isnt repeatable or physical, because our scientific organisations are not concerned with those things. "If you cant provide evidence for something, its not real", is the message.

What this does is limit us to our physical senses to experience what is real. But I live my life as if reality is much more than that, because in my perception it is.

Originally posted by obnoxiouschick
reply to post by Lichter daraus

 

Are you on any medications?
I kind of think that some substances can smother the senses to block any communication. Alcohol, drugs, and toxic chemicals in our food would effect the body negatively.
If you think of your body as an antenna then you will get a clearer signal the purer your body is.
Also if you are around people with negative energy they operate at a lower frequency this can effect you as well.

edit on 10/13/2012 by obnoxiouschick because: (no reason given)

No meds except melatonin, and i quit drinkin when i was 24 but yes there is to many negative people around me i cant seem to get away from them. i was on anti depressants but quit taking them a while ago because they made me feel off and not myself. I also try not to eat anything ot of a box, i eat a lotta veggies and fresh meat.

reply to post by Lichter daraus

I had a period of over 10 yrs where I was trying to get negative people out of my life. They were my husbands friends so it was difficult. I could feel them draining my energy every time I was around them. My husband was a heavy drinker then so he had a hard time figuring it out.
Time and distance that's what it took. Funny thing is after time passes you get to see people's own karma come back and kick them in the a$$.

And it takes awhile for medications to fully clear your system.
Sounds great with the diet.
For years I used to wonder about why I couldn't connect with God. Then it just happened, if felt like I was opened up. Patience your time will come.

reply to post by jhill76


I'd like to ask in a non-aggressive manner: What part of the word 'God' don't any of you understand?

A god, as you think of him, is ALL-POWERFUL! Not HALF powerful. Not intermittently powerful, but ALL-POWERFUL ALL THE TIME! A god can do ANYTHING! A god can do EVERYTHING!

So, if he wanted you to hear him, not only would you hear him, you wouldn't be able to block him out. Why? Because he's GOD!

His selection of words would be perfect. You wouldn't be able to decipher his message in ANY other way than how he delivered it. Why? Because he's GOD!

A GOD wouldn't allow anyone to misinterpret his meanings in any bible.

A GOD would leave NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that he exists, or when he intervenes via the use of miracles.

Also, for those of you that take the fictional account of Adam and Eve as real, consider that god is ALL-KNOWING. He knows EVERYTHING!

So, when the serpent entered the Garden of Eden, GOD KNEW IT. And because the serpent made it into the Garden of Eden, the ALL-POWERFUL god did nothing to STOP the Great Deceiver from entering. And before Adam and Eve sinned, this god already KNEW what they would do. Yet, this god did not intervene, did not protect his naive children from being tempted. So, what do we call a father that knows his kids are in trouble, but does nothing to help them?

No, there is no god. Not in the way most people perceive him. He ( IT ) might be a natural force, without thought, but these biblical gods are nothing but ink on paper.

reply to post by jiggerj

So, what do we call a father that knows his kids are in trouble, but does nothing to help them?

Not over protective? How old were Adam and Eve before he let them be tempted? Don't you have to let your children grow up?

I don't know why you say he did nothing to help. According to the story he manifested in the flesh as Jesus so we can resurrect with him on the new earth.

I mean, I don't know if the story is true or not. But if it is true I don't understand the big complaint about God not doing anything? According to the Bible he's taken care of the whole problem and we didn't have to do anything. What do you mean he did nothing? The only thing he requires of us is that we know he did it?

I don't know. Did you ever see the Truman Show?

I think it provides some insight into human thinking. It's a movie, not a show BTW if you haven't.

If not, well the whole thing is like an analogy for the Garden. Truman is adopted by a corporation as a baby and raised his entire life inside a fake city. Everyone else in the city is an actor. He's the only one that doesn't know it's not real. He thinks everything else is real. Everything he has done his entire life has been video taped and turned into a reality show that the rest of the world watches.

The director of the show, Christof (get it), directs virtually every aspect of Truman's entire life. And while it may have drama. It's all fake. Truman is never in any real danger. Christof would never let any real danger happen to Truman in his fake city because Truman is his bread and butter. Christof is the eye in the sky that has complete control over his entire city and everyone in it (they're all actors).

At the end of the movie Truman finds out it's all fake and escapes the city into the real world. But think about it. It's dangerous out there. That's the real world where REAL actual things might happen to him that aren't controlled by the director Christof.

But what's funny is everyone I know that's seen the movie has NEVER disagreed with Truman's decision to leave! Now that's odd don't you think?

Atheists, Christians, they all say the same thing when I ask them. Do you agree with Truman's decision to leave? Or should he have stayed?

They always say I WOULD LEAVE! I wouldn't want to be controlled by Christof!

Even though there would no longer be the eye in the sky to protect them in the real world. They all AGREE with Truman's decision. They always think of Christof as jerk that's trying to control Truman and evil for not letting him escape the city.

Hmm??? It's funny how humans think. When my atheist friends see the movie they think exactly the same. Truman made the right decision by leaving. They think Christof is a jerk for NOT letting Truman go at the end. However, those same friends, think that God was a jerk FOR letting Adam and Eve go in Genesis!

But that doesn't make any sense! It's the same story! Except that God does the OPPOSITE at the end of each story. In the Truman show the god like character tries to force Truman to stay even though we all KNOW it's better if Truman leaves. In Genesis God tries to force Adam and Eve to leave even though we all KNOW it's better for them to stay?

That doesn't make sense! The bad guy is still somehow the bad guy no matter what he does? See, this is why I bring this up. Comparing the two stories really gets us into the mind of the human being. So, if you haven't seen the movie I highly recommend it and reflecting on the two scenarios.

Because once you put the two stories together and compare them you will see clearly that it does not matter what the "God" character in the story did. You'll end up hating him in both stories.

You'll realize atheists just hate God and god like figures no matter his actions. It's not his actions they don't like. It's just him because they don't want to be controlled.

So, that's what the God of the Bible did. He gave Adam and Eve a chance to not be completely controlled for eternity. But came down as Jesus to fix the problems that would inevitably cause.

reply to post by jiggerj


Your entire post, you coined attributes to God. How can you speak for him and say what he will do?

reply to post by tinfoilman


Wow! You glazed over the Adam and Eve story to the point where you made it a totally different story. The god in that story did nothing to help. He puts a tree of knowledge in the garden and tells them not to eat from it. This is not a good thing. If he didn't want them to eat of this fruit, why'd he put the tree there in the first place? Answer: Because this god KNEW, PLANNED, AND CONSPIRED to have Adam and Eve eat of the fruit.

If this god wanted them to gain knowledge and move on, he would've said, "Eat, EAT!" lol

This god did not offer to let them stay in the garden. He CHASED them out and blocked the entrance so they could never get back in.

You didn't respond to how the serpent got in without this god knowing it, or, without this god being powerful enough to stop it. Or, how this god must have conspired with the serpent.

No, no, there was nothing good about the god in this story.

reply to post by jiggerj


That is the point.he conspired because just like us he knows it's better for Adam if he eventually leaves.
Just like we all agree that it's better for Truman to leave and live a real life

And you say God didn't help but you're purposely leaving out the end of the story where God manifests ad Jesus and teaches how we reunite with God if we want

See the NT is the help it finishes the story that gets stated in Genesis

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by jiggerj

 

Your entire post, you coined attributes to God. How can you speak for him and say what he will do?

This is your defense? Everyone on the planet defines what a god is or isn't. But, if you don't like one description you question how someone would dare define him.

All-powerful means ALL-POWERFUL! If a god speaks to anyone, they will definitely know it. Can you argue with that?

All-knowing means ALL-KNOWING! Yet, when this god tested Abraham and stopped him from sacrificing his son, this god said, "Now I know that you fear me." Ya can't be ALL-KNOWING and not know something.

reply to post by jiggerj


I just explained a simple story to my kid an hour ago.

Watching a dvd "The Cat In The Hat" preview came on and I said something bothers me about that movie.
The Mom clearly states what NOT to do.
The cat (bad influence) tempts them to do all the things the mom said not to.
The cat cleans up so Mom can't tell.
The kids know the truth.
At the end of the book story it says (mom asks what they did) "if your Mom asked you what would you do"

Not teach my kids to lie and cover it up.
Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
God gave a clear order.
They didn't follow directions.
Children are taught lessons.
We are God's children.

Pretty clear to me.
I can see why he's pulled away. He set it up like this and he gave us free will.

Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by jiggerj

 

That is the point.he conspired because just like us he knows it's better for Adam if he eventually leaves.
And you say God didn't help but you're purposely leaving out the end of the story where God manifests ad Jesus and teaches how we reunite with God if we want

See the NT is the help it finishes the story that gets stated in Genesis

edit on 13-10-2012 by tinfoilman because: spelling

LOLOL NO NO NO, I won't let you get away with justifying the Adam and Eve story and just jump to the New Testament. If this god wanted Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, he would have told them, "JUST EAT THE FREAKIN' FRUIT!"

If you accept that this god conspired with the serpent, then Satan and God are NOT enemies. They are allies. If this god wanted Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, then they committed no sin. No sin means that no child since then has been born with original sin. If anyone sinned here, it was this god conspiring against Adam and eve.

Originally posted by obnoxiouschick

God gave a clear order.

Pretty clear to me.
I can see why he's pulled away. He set it up like this and he gave us free will.

See! When this god speaks to someone, his message should be clear as day, irrefutable, and incapable of being ignored. You imply that god said "DON'T EAT THE FRUIT OF THAT TREE RIGHT THERE!"

But when people claim to hear god, they are unsure of his message, and some aren't even sure if it's their own minds making this stuff up. Either this god is vague or he isn't. No two ways about it.

Plus, how do you get past the issue of this god LETTING the serpent into the Garden to tempt Adam and Eve? Again, no two ways about it. Either this god is all-powerful and all-knowing, meaning that he knew the serpent was sneaking into the garden and didn't stop him, or this god didn't know and couldn't stop the serpent, which means this god is not a god.

reply to post by jiggerj


First of all nobody is even sure if the serpent and Satan are the same creature. The serpent will crawl on its stomach and eat dust the rest of its days?

Does Satan crawl around on his belly all day? There's the good possibility they were two different beings.

But the Jewish original view of Satan is you're exactly right. God and Satan aren't enemies. Humans and Satan are enemies.

Satan is our accuser. He's God's prosecuting attorney. Just like a court room. The prosecutor is not the judge's enemy. He's the defendants! But he exists for a purpose to make the court work.

Why didn't God tell them to eat the fruit? Perhaps because it was not best for them to eat the fruit. Or perhaps they were not ready to eat the fruit yet. But once they had the knowledge there was no reason for them to stay there anymore. Just like once Truman has the knowledge that the city is fake there is no reason for him to stay there anymore.

We don't even know if God created the tree for a reason. And if he did it might not have been in our best interest. It might have been what was in HIS best interest. It never says what or who it was created for or why. So, that's stupid to argue about it.

But seriously I don't know what your obsession with original sin is. According to the story, if it is true, Jesus already got rid of original sin past, present, and future. And if the story isn't true then original sin never existed anyway and it's pointless to argue about.

But the point is, God took care of that problem? Why are you still complaining about it?

Originally posted by jiggerj
See! When this god speaks to someone, his message should be clear as day, irrefutable, and incapable of being ignored. You imply that god said "DON'T EAT THE FRUIT OF THAT TREE RIGHT THERE!"

Yes he did. "thou shall not eat of it"

Originally posted by jiggerj
But when people claim to hear god, they are unsure of his message, and some aren't even sure if it's their own minds making this stuff up. Either this god is vague or he isn't. No two ways about it.

In this day and age he has removed himself further. His messages used to be clear direct communication, he would walk with prophets, then sent angels. Over time he has slowly pulled away. Do you blame him, look at our history.
He is there for those that seek him.

Originally posted by jiggerj
Plus, how do you get past the issue of this god LETTING the serpent into the Garden to tempt Adam and Eve? Again, no two ways about it. Either this god is all-powerful and all-knowing, meaning that he knew the serpent was sneaking into the garden and didn't stop him, or this god didn't know and couldn't stop the serpent, which means this god is not a god.

If you choose to view it like that then that is your choice.
I happen to see it differently and that is my choice.

reply to post by jhill76


Very good point, why is it some people claim anything supernatural is evil?.....

If something brings you comfort, what about it is it evil?

As for hearing God, he's never spoken to me....only my conscience does...I'm not against believing he speaks and I'm not for it because I simply don't know.

Originally posted by tinfoilman
reply to post by jiggerj

 

But the point is, God took care of that problem? Why are you still complaining about it?

I'm not complaining at all. I'm enjoying the hell out of this chat while attempting to get believers to nail down certain flaws and contradictions in the bible and in the definition of a god. Some believe the bible is 100% historical fact. But when a flaw is exposed, they either derail the topic by trying to take the conversation to someplace else in the bible, or they whip out the "God works in mysterious ways' card.

I already mentioned one of the flaws, that being how the ALL-KNOWING god is reported to have said to Abraham, "Now I know that you fear me." How can an all-knowing god not already know that Abraham feared him, and I'm quite sure he did.

reply to post by jiggerj


So you have an agenda? other than the OP topic?

reply to post by jiggerj

This is your defense? Everyone on the planet defines what a god is or isn't. But, if you don't like one description you question how someone would dare define him.

I say this to everyone. You cannot know, unless you are standing next to him and ask him why he does every action that he does, to understand him.

Yet, when this god tested Abraham and stopped him from sacrificing his son, this god said, "Now I know that you fear me." Ya can't be ALL-KNOWING and not know something.

Just because he stated this, does not mean he didn't know. When Father speaks it is more for said person, not for himself.

Could he not have said this, so that Abraham realized unto himself that now he knows he fears Father?

You have a phrase, and you take it as he didn't know what was going to take place. He never said, I didn't know this, you surprised me Abraham.

reply to post by tinfoilman

We don't even know if God created the tree for a reason.

Yes, for a reason. To prove to the others above, that the current design and setup, man will indeed fall into temptation. He had to show/teach them by allowing it to happen, so that they may learn.