Borat Is A Religiously vilifying and racist Creation...so why is it not banned?

Originally posted by Xaphan
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Apparently you don't understand racism either, chap. Or you never would have typed this:

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
His first movie is a racist caricature of muslims

It isn't possible to be racist towards Muslims, because Muslims are a religious group, not an ethnicity.

Also, there may be a political agenda. Fair enough. There is a political slant in almost every form of media these days. Singling out this one individual is pointless, as there are thousands more guilty of doing the same thing. As for a religious agenda? I highly doubt it. He might be of the Semitic ethnicity, but I doubt he follows the Jewish faith. I've seen interviews with him and he seems far too intelligent to be religious. So I doubt he would even bother with that.

I think he was born a Jew which is funny after what the OPs been saying, but yes he is far too smart for that

Borat is not a Muslim, people have assumed this because he is from Kazahkstan, everyone knows they follow The Hawk As brilliantly satirical and hillarious as Borat was, I thought Bruno was a lot funniner.

reply to post by Wongbeedman


Yep, a quick visit to his wikipedia page came up with this

'Baron Cohen, the middle of three brothers, was born in Hammersmith, West London. His mother, Daniella Naomi (née Weiser), was born in Israel, and his father, Gerald Baron Cohen, an accountant, is a native of London.[9][10] Baron Cohen has two brothers: Erran and Amnon.[11] Baron Cohen was raised Jewish.[12] His paternal grandfather, Morris Cohen, who was from Pontypridd, Wales, had added "Baron" to his surname.'

reply to post by Xaphan


Oh so sorry. Nevermind he is prejudiced towards Muslims and just racist towards Arabs. That is better. Oh come on, he seems far too intelligent to be Jewish is what you are saying? That is stupid. Jewish people are known to be some of the most intelligent people and definitely the most intelligent people of faith. His work very obviously shows his disdain for Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims and so on. Denying that is an a waste of breath.

reply to post by Wongbeedman


So does it really matter if borat was supposed to be Muslim or not?
Obviously Cohen wasn't expressing his personal belief in any way.
Like we've been saying to the OP, his comedy isn't aimed at any particular group.
The comedy is in these groups being offended at vague stereotypes of themselves.
I'm guessing the OP is offended in some way, doesn't want to say why, and came here to see if anyone else feels the same.

reply to post by mr-lizard


The problem is alot of you guys actually believe the garbage you see in his movies. He is exploiting people so he can make fun of Muslims and Arabs. That is it, it's that simple.

Remember the "terrorist." In Bruno he pretends he is talking to a terrorist and talks about what his "king Osama" looks like. Well in reality that man was a palestinian shop keeper.






I guess you guys have made your choice to remain oblivious to what this guy is actually doing. Have fun with that. I am not going to sit and argue with people that ignore it as racism. It's fine to find it funny, and nothing should ever be banned, but don't deny it for what it is.

reply to post by Wongbeedman


Yes it is. It is aimed at making fun of Muslims and Arabs. All three of his mainstream movies Borat, Bruno, and the Dictator have had extensively racist depictions and associations of Muslims.
Hell Bruno was about a model and he still squeezed in the racist stuff against Palestinians.

Read the article I posted on the last page.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

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Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by Josephus

 

No true I didn't , sort of the whole point of the thread though.
All races and cultures make fun of themselves, individuals do as well.
But offence is taken , when others ridicule those same entitys and individuals espescially when it portrays them as Borat portrays The Kafghanistanis and the Muslim faith.

Its about respect.

Is Borat a Muslim, where in the movie did they make him even remotely Muslim?

I cant wait for someone to answer this.

He never stated he was Muslim, that was a massive assumption by the American audience.

When asked about religion Borat stated he follows the Hawk

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

He also poked fun at Christians and Jews in Borat. So he really wasn't singling out any particular group. He included everybody in his antics. You only seem upset by his trolling of Muslims. Why is it only that particular one that bothers you?

reply to post by Xaphan


Actually.. he poked fun at Christians and Jews because he was doing a parody of a Muslim. If anything it's just more evidence. Don't cherry pick though. Address his body of work as a whole. Read the article I posted, address my above post where he exploited a Palestinian and called him a terrorist (a guy who later sued him when he found out what he had done).

Evidence is on my side here.

reply to post by Xaphan


Oh yeah, and this is from his bio on wiki

Israel and Judaism Baron Cohen first acted in theatrical productions featuring the Socialist-Zionist youth movement Habonim Dror.[87] He spent a year in Israel at Kibbutz Rosh HaNikra and Kibbutz Beit HaEmek as part of the Shnat Habonim Dror, as well as taking part in the programme Machon L'Madrichei Chutz La'Aretz for Jewish youth movement leaders. According to Baron Cohen, "I wouldn't say I am a religious Jew. I am proud of my Jewish identity and there are certain things I do and customs I keep." He tries to keep kosher and attends synagogue about twice a year.[88] Baron Cohen frequently spoke in Hebrew while playing the anti-Semitic character Borat. He also sang the lyrics from an old kibbutz song (pretending that it was the Kazakh national anthem) in an episode of Da Ali G Show. In one of the deleted scenes of his film, after being asked by the host-pastor to lead the table in a pre-meal prayer service, Baron Cohen, in his character role of Borat, sings a lengthy hymn (not Hebrew)[89] that has clear similarities to the Mussaf prayer service of the Jewish High Holidays.[original research?] He actually repeatedly sings two Polish phrases "I speak and read in English" (Czytam i mówię po angielsku)[90] and "Could you speak slowly please?" ("Proszę mówić wolniej")[original research?]

So I guess that might give a bit of insight into his treatment of Ron Paul and the Palestinian fellow. I was right about him probably being zionist. As I said before his racism is pretty undeniable, as is his agenda, and evidence is on my side. All you guys have brought are ill conceived opinions.

Borat is pure genius. He's taking the how many people around the world act, and doing their act as himself. He's brilliant and controversial.

Freedom of Speech

reply to post by Dr Expired


what double standard? Are you not aware of how all Arabs are portrayed in the media? Borat is an example of the absurdity of some of the antisemetic feels some of those countries harbor. That's it. In fact, it does more of a diservice to those from Kazakhstan than it does any Jews.

Beyond that, I've noticed something...

The ADL loves to tell us how antisemitism is rampant in the western media. I've started noticing "jokes" and such that are directed at Jews, which are examples of this antisemitism.

The part I find funny is, each incident I've noticed, the show writers are mostly Jewish. I find that humorous. can't find real examples of antisemitism in the western media? create it yourself.

Borat is lame, the movie sucked, the character sucked, Cohen (isn't he actually Jewish?) isn't funny at all. It's really meaningless.

Besides, wasn't his movie like 5 years ago?

In the movie Borat he does bash Jews all to hell and back.

But the point is the context and the entire point of the movie.

The entire point of the movie was to bash stupidity in a lot of its forms.

I really wish that people would stop seeing racism everywhere and learn to understand that context matters.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Okay, I'll play your game for a moment. Lets say he really does have some kind of Zionist agenda in which he seeks to disparage other groups of people. I'm not convinced, but I'll play the hypothetical game. What then? What do you expect to be done about it? There really is nothing that could be done. In the Western world people are allowed to say whatever they want. Freedom of speech - It's that simple. Christians have the right to call Atheists heathen a**holes, Atheists have the right to call religious people mindless fools, Muslims have the right to call Christians infidels etc...

What do you think should happen? There's no chance that his films are going to be banned just because he slanders various religions, because Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins do this all the time in their books and documentaries, so that would imply that their work would also have to be banned.

Eagerly awaiting your reply.

We can't start banning every documentary someone disagrees with. How would anyone ever learn what other people really live like?

reply to post by Dr Expired


I take it you LOVED "Bruno" then? I guess some people just don't get satire?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

What does it matter if they are or aren't? A lot of his material is.
I am seriously done, you guys can live in your denial. I will leave you with this article though. Other more sensible people can read it and make up their minds on their own.

Sacha Baron Cohen loves to mock all things Arab and Muslim. All three of his most popular movies have gone out of their way to vilify Arabs and Muslims. Now, as brave men and women in the Arab world courageously and resiliently face down the despots that have beaten and killed them, Baron Cohen portrays a dictator. Not only is the movie horribly ill-timed, but it stands as a testament to his horrid disdain for Arabs and Muslims. In Bruno, he interviews a Palestinian and labels him a terrorist. That Palestinian is Ayman Abu Aita, a non-profit worker who would later sue Baron Cohen in the district of Columbia two years ago. Exactly what a show about a gay model has to do with Palestine is beyond me. Borat in its entirety is about a journalist from a Muslim republic who does crazy stunts and shows a great deal of ignorance and resentment toward Israel–it feels forced.

source

What a complete load of BS, first of al Ali G (The Movie - his first movie) has no content about Muslims whatsoever, in fact the most blatent political points were about gangs, dirty politicians, immigration (not racist as he stated we should only let the fit girls in and turn the ugly ones back) and how canabis could probably bring more peace to the world if politicians smoked grass!

In his second movie, as already stated Borat was Khazak TV reporter who was blatantly anti-semetic, anti -uzbek, anti-gay whilst being confused anti gay, He was making fun of former soviet republics backward attitudes to bring out the real views and feelings of people he interviews and meets (its quite clever really). he intelligently uses his alter ego's to get people to reveal their true selves. In his TV show where he went to America he got White Americans to agree that they wished slavery was never abolished and the they wish they could hunt Jews as well as game (probably something you would approve of)!

The third movie was Bruno who is a gay fashionista who he plays to wonderful effect to show how homophobic american society really is! Ron Paul accepted an interview, I do not think their was anything of political intent because as a Brit, he probably does not care who wins elections there and if George Bush or Al Gore were available, it would have been them, in that position. If Obama he might have got more than he expected hehe (according to some reports here on ATS).

Finally, it was only his fourth movie that had anything Islamic about it as he played a dicator (really well) based on Madmen like Ghaddafi and Saddam Hussein (who were real enough). Again there was much Jew bashing from his character, which is not uncommon here on ATS either!

So basically that review you posted has no value, understanding or fact based in reality!

reply to post by Xaphan


What should be done about it is people should be better educated. You missed it obviously. It's scary that it's so popular it shows how ignorant the population is and we should be concerned that racism and such weak pun and parody are popular forms of humor. The goal isn't to get rid of it. I wouldn't every remove someones right to it, but we do need to educate people and discourage racism and stereotyping. It's a very lowly form of comedy and an even lower form of art. I am kind shocked people can't see it for what it is, but I bet enjoyment of it is an reflection of a lot of the same people's real world opinions.

Borat is a character that brings out the worst in people. You get to see the real side of Americans because they think they're talking to a racist/sexist/everything-else-ist, and don't think it will be aired publicly. They all sign Kazakh looking waivers saying they'll be in a documentary for their country. It's a genius way to bring hate out of unsuspecting people and catch it on film. Remember the college kids on the RV? Or the country guy at the rodeo talking about gays/muslims? Genius.