Gunmen shoot 14-year-old girl who spoke out against the Taliban

reply to post by Freeborn


The Taliban did control that territory though, maybe not now but recently. This means they have support, they couldn't have that control if everyone feared them. And if these gunmen did this crime, it means people are still loyal to the taliban, the point being,if we invade or intervene based on moral reasons, there is a good chance the people will hate and fear us more than the taliban, allowing the taliban to grow in power. I must have read the article wrong because I missed at first where it says the taliban are no longer in control (but they were in control in 2009). So if there is local police, and an officially recognized government, let the government deal with this crime, why should the west get involved?

With the amount of whistleblowers the U.S. kills or imprisons, they have no moral right to even condemn this act. The Taliban wanted to take vengence on a whistleblower, someone who spoke out against them. Is this any different from the indefinite detention of Bradley Manning, or the mysterious murder of the DC madam?

reply to post by filosophia


A "whistleblower"? She is a child who wanted an education! Who did she blow the whistle on?

Whistleblower = a person who tells the public or someone in authority about alleged dishonest or illegal activities

reply to post by filosophia

The Taliban did control that territory though, maybe not now but recently.

They controlled the area 3 years ago but were never the 'legitimate' government.

This means they have support, they couldn't have that control if everyone feared them.

Of course they have some support - but not a lot - The Taliban rule through terror using acts like this to instill real and genuine fear in the general population for their live's and well being.

Only recently The Taliban beheaded 17 people in Afghanistan for listening to some music.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

These sort of acts are common place in areas where The Taliban have appointed themselves as guardians of public morals in accordance with the strictest of interpretations of Sharia.

the point being,if we invade or intervene based on moral reasons, there is a good chance the people will hate and fear us more than the taliban, allowing the taliban to grow in power.

Moral objection to these atrocities should be the only reason we intervene - if it was just about politics, religion and global or regional influence and power etc then we categorically have no reason whatsoever to be involving ourselves - but not only do The Taliban threaten the security of the whole region and possibly further they also seek to carry out these barbaric acts wherever and whenever they can.

So if there is local police, and an officially recognized government, let the government deal with this crime, why should the west get involved?

This is remote and rural Pakistan - corruption is rife and sympathy for The Taliban is most likely found within Pakistan military and police than anywhere else.

With the publicity surrounding this specific case the relevant Police force is investigating - but what realistic hope is there of catching the actual perpetrators, especially considering the environment and fluidity of the population in these rural areas.

And even if they did catch those responsible do you honestly think it'll be a deterent to others or prevent similar occurrences?

With the amount of whistleblowers the U.S. kills or imprisons, they have no moral right to even condemn this act.

She was 11years old girl when she expressed a wish to go to school - hardly a 'whistleblower' - the attempted comparison is ridiculous.

The Taliban wanted to take vengence on a whistleblower, someone who spoke out against them. Is this any different from the indefinite detention of Bradley Manning, or the mysterious murder of the DC madam?

This is barely worthy of a response.

If you'd bother to read my posts I in no way defend the actions of our governments and fully agree that we have made some horrendous mistakes and committed inexcusable atrocities - we seem to have a total inability to connect with the general population and treat them with disdain and disrespect - we have to address these points urgently.

But none of that can ever begin to justify, excuse and dismiss actions like this and countless others - to do so is at least equally contemptible as condoning the actions the apologists are so quick and keen to condemn.

Originally posted by buster2010

I've asked in several other threads what the alternative would be if we weren't opposing The Taliban and no-one really seems willing to answer that, so I ask again - what would the apologists have us do?

It is for the people of that nation to rise up against the Taliban not other countries. Eventually the people will get fed up with them and take them out this has been done many times throughout history .

Really???
Really!!!
So the Germans should have risen up against Hitler, the Cambodians against Pol Pot, the Russians against Stalin, the Chinese against Mao Tse Tung, the Koreans against Kim Il-sung, and on and on and on...
How feckless can one be?

Originally posted by wiser3
reply to post by filosophia

 

A "whistleblower"? She is a child who wanted an education! Who did she blow the whistle on?

Whistleblower = a person who tells the public or someone in authority about alleged dishonest or illegal activities

Obama killed a 16 year old from a predator drone bombing. So, as I said, they have no moral grounds to condemn this attack, even if it is a child.

reply to post by Freeborn


How many children do you think died during the Iraq war? How many children die now from predator drone bombings? (more than zero). How many children will die if Pakistan is invaded to stop the taliban? I understand your sympathy for this girl, but many more children would die if a foreign army got involved.

reply to post by filosophia


You said the attack on her was justified because she was a whistleblower! This was a targeted attack on an innocent child by her OWN people and just because she wanted to be educated!
You seem to have had an education, would you deny that right to any child just because she was female?
You have access to a computer and the internet, would you deny that to any child, even your own just because she was female?

I am not an apologist for the taliban as you say in your opening post, but what we should do is focus on child murders and beheadings in our own country first.

14 year old boy murdered in chicago
articles.chicagotribune.com... d

The boy was walking with at least one other person when a grey van pulled up and a passenger, a man wearing a dark-colored hoodie, exited with a gun, said police News Affairs Officer Robert Perez.
He opened fire, striking the boy. As he lay on the ground, the shooter kept firing. “He shot him while the victim was down several times,’’ Perez said. The shooter then got back into the van, which was driven by another man about the same age – between the ages of 20 and 25.

No one is in custody and a motive for the attack has not been established, Perez said.

The Taliban are not the only ones who behead victims. Los Zetas does the same for those who speak out against their cartel. The link was so disgusting I can't even post it. And these crimes spill over into America. So rather than invading yet another middle east country, why not focus on the war zones in America, like Chicago, Detroit, and the Mexican border? Isn't that a higher priority than a country we have no sovereignty over?

reply to post by filosophia

How many children do you think died during the Iraq war?

Far too many.

How many children die now from predator drone bombings? (more than zero).

Far too many.

I don't intend to excuse the deaths of innocent people by drones but you have to bear in mind that it is a favoured tactic of The Taliban to surround themselves with innocent civilians and use them as human shields - a fact conveniently ignored by some.

How many children will die if Pakistan is invaded to stop the taliban?

Far too many.

I'm not advocating full military intervention in Pakistan - but we can do a damn sight more in Pakistan and Afghanistan than what we are at present.
We can not afford to sit back and do nothing, as some would have it.

I understand your sympathy for this girl, but many more children would die if a foreign army got involved.

Whether you like it or not, and whether or not it is officially recognised, foreign forces and their resources are involved.

It's not just this one instance - this is but one of a multitude of examples - if The Taliban gain control then this will become an everyday, common occurrence until such a point comes that the local population are so brow beaten and frightened that total submission to The Taliban and it's repressive and barbaric rule is achieved.

Some of the basic, ingrained beliefs of The Taliban is that they have to try to spread their rule and control whever and whenever they can.

How many deaths will occur if The Taliban gain control of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal because India will oppose that with everything within it's power?

reply to post by filosophia

I am not an apologist for the taliban

Well, you are doing a fairly good impression of one I assure you.

but what we should do is focus on child murders and beheadings in our own country first.

Classic deflection and 'bury your head in the sand' tactics.

And in the meantime the whole world just goes tits up?

What we should do is target major and violent crime in our own countries whilst opposing repression and barbarity whever it occurs, even if that place has limited natural resources!

The Taliban are not the only ones who behead victims. Los Zetas does the same for those who speak out against their cartel. The link was so disgusting I can't even post it. And these crimes spill over into America. So rather than invading yet another middle east country, why not focus on the war zones in America, like Chicago, Detroit, and the Mexican border? Isn't that a higher priority than a country we have no sovereignty over?

So what are YOU doing about anything?

By the way, if you hadn't noticed - I'm British - the world doesn't revolve around the US.

Originally posted by buster2010

I've asked in several other threads what the alternative would be if we weren't opposing The Taliban and no-one really seems willing to answer that, so I ask again - what would the apologists have us do?

It is for the people of that nation to rise up against the Taliban not other countries. Eventually the people will get fed up with them and take them out this has been done many times throughout history.

Several countries in the middle east kill children for no reason and the world does nothing about them so why should the Taliban be singled out?

+Star

There's been genocide happening all over the world, but the countries we haven't "helped" to get rid of their regimes, haven't had trillions of dollars worth of natural resources.

If we heard about all of the terrible things that happen in Africa on a daily basis like we do the middle east, I think the Taliban would be one of the smaller issues the American people would worry about and support.

Yet another example of callousness of The Taliban and their total disregard for the Afghani people - using a 13 year old boy as a suicide bomber.

It is though four of the six fatalities were children.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Thanks to Openeye for bringing this to our attention.

The poor little girl is still in critical condition. May our prayers help.

Currently, the Pakistani govt are going after the gunmen. This is STUPID!

It is NOT the gunmen that justice needs to be served upon. The gunmen are merely puppets.

The REAL ones to go after is the supposed 'Taliban council' that order the hit, as well as many other various forms of terrorizing Pakistanis and Afghanis civilians that they had admitted.

They had no remorse, and had even terrifyingly said that they would kill her again if she ever walks out of the hospital alive. They are horrifying and beyond any civilised word of description.

Since they seek for no reconcilliation, and had sought to kill innocents in Pakistan, Afghanistan and any other human from our world, in order to get their way, then mankind will not show them mercy, they way they had shown no mercy to mankind.

The targets are the members of this covert 'taliban council' and everyone of the supporters. WE MANKIND, DEMAND THEIR HEADS!!!!!

Malala is still under critical condition status.

Today, the wild beasts Taliban had yet again repeated their warnings to butcher her, and to add that they will break their code of not killing journalists, but will SLAUGHTER them for their intense media scrutiny and reporting of the truth on what the Taliban truly is.

As if they had spared anyone in reality with their indiscriminate bombings and annihilation. Bunch of liars. Even the imam, who trusted and believed that peace with them was possible, arranging to meet them, was BOMBED out of existance by a Taliban hireling.

My insignificant and nobody me message to the Taliban is :- Let me be the first to be slaughtered, for I had condemned them strongly. Go ahead. It can't be that difficult to find me, even on the internet.

Kill me, and frighten the rest, BUT there will be many others after me who WILL NEVER live in fear, that will equally condemn and go after you animals.

7 billion humans in fact. May you have enough bullets before you bunch of animals have your heads lobbed off. I will plead mercy to Allah, the ever merciful and compassionate, for your souls and may your families, relatives and friends be spared.

Originally posted by filosophia
With the amount of whistleblowers the U.S. kills or imprisons, they have no moral right to even condemn this act. The Taliban wanted to take vengence on a whistleblower, someone who spoke out against them. Is this any different from the indefinite detention of Bradley Manning, or the mysterious murder of the DC madam?

Yeah, there is a difference.

This was a 14 year old kid.

Yet more Taliban action in Pakistan.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Hundreds of schoolgirls in Afghanistan and Pakistan rallied today against the Taliban attack on 14-year-old Pakistani activist Malala Yousufzai. The Taliban said Malala's promotion of education for girls was pro-Western and she had opposed them

Hopefully this is a turn in events. The taliban cannot shoot every teenager in Pakistan and as the young rise up against the elder set in their ways people who rule their country with an iron rod, maybe, just maybe things will improve. For everyone. I certainly hope this is a start to something momentous.

Watch my video

Malala Yousufzai - Free Pakistan - Kill the Taliban

Video in 2 parts -

1) CBS News story reporting Malala Yousufzai shot
2) Musical tribute to Malala Yousufzai - Free Pakistan - Kill the Taliban - "May it be" by Enya.

May it be the shadow's call
Will fly away
May it be your journey on
To light the day
When the night is overcome
You may rise to find the sun
...
A promise lives within you now

Malala is now being moved to a UK hospital for treatment.

A Pakistani teenager who was shot by the Taliban for campaigning for girls to be allowed to go to school has been sent to the UK for medical treatment.

A military spokesman said 14-year-old Malala Yusufzai, whose shooting has drawn condemnation abroad and at home, would require prolonged care to fully recover physically and psychologically.

An air ambulance has been provided by the United Arab Emirates to transport Malala. She is travelling from Islamabad with her parents and medical staff, after being shot in the head and neck.

Pakistani Girl Shot By Taliban Sent To UK

CX.

PS: The conspiracy theorist in me does wonder why they don't do this with all kids injured over there.....maybe other kids are not such prized icons to use as brownie points for our government?

Maybe that sounds bad thinking like that, and i hope she gets all the treatment she deserves for all the right reasons. I just wait to see how long it takes before this turns into a media circus with Cameron and gang playing the part of lead clowns.