Israel shoots down their own drone

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Nevertheless, it is getting smaller.
I understand that mentioning of word "Israel" can sometimes interfere with rationally analyzing the facts,but saying that British empire got smaller rather then bigger by giving back lands it occupied is also false?

Hmmm.... The two are not analogous.. If you said the UK was getting smaller by handing back colonised countries, that would be the same thing and then inaccurate as the colonies were never part of the UK, it would be more accurate to say the UK would be getting smaller by releasing Scotland, as Israel is not and hasn't got an Empire. It claims these territories as part of it's own nation, not colonies.

In a nutshell, it would be like the UK claiming Calais, due to a "historic" claim (as with the Jews and Israel), then annexing the entire of northern France after the French get uppity, then crying when the French want those bits back (allowing us to keep Calais) and making out like we're doing them a favour by giving them a field.

The video looked edited. The circle is on the right then skips quickly to the left. The explosion seemed larger and more hollywood (or should I say 9/11) then realistic, the jet seems to fly way too close to be safe from collision or blow back from its own rocket. The video is 11 seconds, so, wheres the rest? Just like with the palestinian aid ship, they seemed to have edited this video down quite a lot. My vote, they show down their own drone.

Originally posted by redbarron626
That's funny the word is that Isreal is blaming Hezbollah???

It was not immediately clear who launched the drone, but suspicion quickly fell on the Lebanese Islamic militant group Hezbollah.

news.yahoo.com...

Wow, I was thinking it, and then below I read that, Iran supports them. I knew it.

Some afterthoughts I'd like to add.

Remember 911? The united states did not go to war on "al ciada", the terrorist group. They invaded Iraq and Afghanistan... So who will be held to blame for Hezbollah actions?? What will be the next target on Hezzbola's wild n wacky list of international terrorism for weekenders?

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by redbarron626

 

Yahooo!! I win! Link.

Analysis: With Iranian funds and technological assistance, Hezbollah has been trying to build up its UAV capabilities.

At least Iran has a supporting role. I think I would have lost faith in Israel if they didn't blame Iran.

by that logic .. the US also played a role by providing material support... a copy of an intact drone..

Not the first time that Hezbollah UAVs have been used over Israel.

From 2006 shootdown

Here is a question:

Why should Iran need a drone to surveillance Israel ?

Because Israel is very small. It is like a fly in the hands of Iran.

So , why should Iran send a drone to Israel in such critical time.

If Iran wanted war , there are very safer ways.

IMO , they want to shift the intention of US people to themselves while holding the election.

reply to post by mideast


Why? Maybe so they can be aware of any impending nonsense from the Israeli's, but as stated, this is more likely to be a Hezbollah drone, who also have an active interest in knowing what the Israeli's are up too.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by mideast

 

Why? Maybe so they can be aware of any impending nonsense from the Israeli's, but as stated, this is more likely to be a Hezbollah drone, who also have an active interest in knowing what the Israeli's are up too.

Iran doesn't want to need any thing to know what Israelis are up to.

All the war ships in the persian gulf are talking all Iranian want to know

reply to post by mideast


It would be foolish of Iran not to watch Israel as well as the ships in the Gulf.. if any strike is coming, it is more likely to come from Israel, given their recent belligerent statements about "red lines".

Anyway, like I and others have said, this is more likely a Hezbollah drone. Not sure why you're picking a non-existent point to argue the toss over, to be honest.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by mideast

 

It would be foolish of Iran not to watch Israel as well as the ships in the Gulf.. if any strike is coming, it is more likely to come from Israel, given their recent belligerent statements about "red lines".

Israel has been threatening Iran for years.

So , should Iran be sending drones to Israel every day Netaniyahoo is threatening ?

IMO , all the situation depends on Syria.

And that is a threat to send drones crossing Israeli cities.

reply to post by superman2012


So you mean Iran wouldn't want to get their hands on this technology?

Or are you saying Iranians are too dumb to reverse engineer it (as if it were a UFO or something).

It should also be mentioned that Israeli defense companies have been selling drones to Mexico, Brazil, South Africa; it's quite possible that Iran already acquired the technology from other channels.

reply to post by dontreally

Or are you saying Iranians are too dumb to reverse engineer it (as if it were a UFO or something).

this is a racist comment.

Only a racist will comment like this.

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal. animal farm - George Orwel

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by superman2012

 

So you mean Iran wouldn't want to get their hands on this technology?

Or are you saying Iranians are too dumb to reverse engineer it (as if it were a UFO or something).

It should also be mentioned that Israeli defense companies have been selling drones to Mexico, Brazil, South Africa; it's quite possible that Iran already acquired the technology from other channels.

No. Iran did want to, and achieved, taking down a US drone. They already had the technology. The only thing I was trying to say was that if Israel does not blame Iran in some way, then I would be surprised.

Iranians are a lot smarter than the media gives them credit.

They have/are building a copy of the drone that the US "gave" to them (whoops) and even helping other countries:

"We are doing this with the help of different countries including China, Russia, Iran, and other allied countries," he added, apparently referring both to drone construction and to other projects including a munitions and weapons factory.

Iran one of the countries helping Venezuela build drones.

So, yes. They did get it from another country, I just don't think the US thought that their 2 billion dollar + program was going to benefit Iran.

I think the evidence is leaning more towards the drone being from Iran, most likely working along with Hezbollah.

"Iranian military leaders have unveiled a new long-range drone capable of reaching Israel and most of the Middle East months after capturing a U.S. one.

General Amir Ali Hajizadeh, a senior Revolutionary Guard commander, described the weapon as a key strategic addition to Iran's military capabilities."

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The rest of that article spells out Iran's reverse engineering of the captured drone, and their intentions for it.


It does seem that Israel is waiting for the slightest provocation to justify taking out their enemy. But Iran actually seems in the same position. Both are just waiting for the right moment. I think it is inevitable.

reply to post by BlueAjah


You all are crazy. Why would an unarmed drone be a false flag that led to open war? Everyone nowadays has drones, and someone wanted to see Israel, or see the IAFs reaction to an airspace incursion. Mission Accomplished, hang up a banner.

reply to post by BlueAjah


The truth is that reverse engineering takes time

+ Iran was making drones before US gave him.

The easiest way in making drones is to help them stay out of radar.

ETA : , for a moment I felt like ignorant people who feel they know every thing.

reply to post by stumason


Hmmm. All i said was that Israel is decreasing in size, not increasing. You challenged this geographically indisputable fact with irrelevant info so i tried to explain what shrinking is, using no longer existing empire that clearly carries no negative emotional charge as far as you are concern. There was no intent to claim complete historical parallel to anything besides the fact that shrinking is shrinking. Even when we deal with that Israel thing.
And now we are planning to invade Calais... That escalated quickly
I would not argue with you about British history ,for obvious reasons.
All i can say is that the land of Palestine was part of that no longer existing British empire. There was no independent state here.So your example not only does not provide any counter argument to the (again) fact that land under direct Israeli control is shrinking, the situation is also completely different from French-Norman->English->Birtish historical background.

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


I now got familiar with a colonialist mind set.

They think they own people's land they have the right to control people.

Thanx

reply to post by mideast


Everyone understands what she/he wants or is capable to understand.
One does not have to be of a colonial mind set to understand that occupied territories are called occupied territories because Israel occupies those territories.
Definition of word occupation (in this case military one):

the holding and control of an area by a foreign military force

www.merriam-webster.com...
See that "control" word there? Maybe in some cultures it is ok to disregard clear and present facts and go mainly for emotions, i see no reason to do this.
Israel occupies the territories thus controls the area. Since Israel (and not Jordan or Egypt) helped to establish Palestinian autonomy transfering control over large parts of Western Bank and Gaza to Palestinians and since Israel unilaterally withdrew from its Gaza settlements, territory under Israeli control shrunk. Do i have to explain it more?
And by the way, " to control people" is purely addition of your mind.

reply to post by superman2012

was trying to say was that if Israel does not blame Iran in some way, then I would be surprised.

They are pinning the blame on little Iran i.e Lebanon.

So, yes. They did get it from another country, I just don't think the US thought that their 2 billion dollar + program was going to benefit Iran.

To be fair, the majority oft he funding went into research. Now that the engineering has been sorted out, a fully functional drone can be made for substantially less.

And, I also do not think this is a 'false flag'. Iran, or Lebanon, would very much want the capability to send drones into Israels airspace.