Christian Does Not Equal Muslim

Originally posted by benrl

Originally posted by ExNihilo
reply to post by TheBeatMasta

 

I am not even going to watch that video. Do you know what. SO what if he is a Muslim? What does it matter? He obviously is a Christian, but if he was not i do not see how it matters.

Freedom of religion. That is a right too.

Unless it is written somewhere in the constitution that one must be Christian in order to become President I really don't get what the fuss is about.

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I to do not care what faith our president is.

The only thing that would concern me is if he where lying about it, but than I suppose they all do, they all pander to get votes.

Really does anyone really think their presidents, these millionaires are truly christian?

Christ had a lot to say about the rich and what they needed to do to follow him, and its not becoming the president of the US.

I believe it had to do with a camel and the eye of a needle.

This all day long. He is definetly not Christian. If he is he's a type of Christian I never knew was possible. Does that matter? To me it does... Would it affect my vote? Not too much, it's the lying bit I don't like

reply to post by ollncasino


Oh, I love this game! Let's play.

Bush Jr would never have displayed such vulgar behavior as a bow! He just played Pretty Pretty Princess with the Saudis (you know, that oppressive Islamist regime that birthed and raised the 9/11 hijackers) and took a little lover's stroll with them:





Of course, he would never bow to foreign religious leaders, especially ones that his own faith (Protestant) once considered to be antichrists:


And he CERTAINLY would never have bowed to the Queen, representative of our former enslavement by an unjust oppressor, right? When Obama did it it was considered to be high treason, right?


Of course, this is probably some new-fangled uber-PC fad that was foisted on Bush Jr because of Clinton's ultra-leftist American apologetics, right?

(Eisenhower bowing to De Gaulle)


Nixon just looking really closely at the shoes of the Japanese emperor WHO WAS OUR ENEMY IN WW2


Nixon checking his shoes for dog scat while shaking Mao's hand, right?

DING! Your turn.

ETA: If Obama got an honorary knighting by the Queen, that would mean he was swearing allegiance to her and therefore treason, right? Even if no such oath was required for honorary non-UK knights? Well, you can always ask Reagan and Bush Sr if they swore an oath when they were knighted.

a good one is....the only time the queen curtseyed was to gabri salasi....aparently because he is an "emperor".


reply to post by 00nunya00


you know the one that annoyed me was when bush and blair were slouching. with their legs open when sitting with the palastinain leaders.

that said, im sure bush never bowed to other leaders, thats absurd!

peace

You mean Christian extremism doesn't equal
Muslim extremism yes?

The answer is;
it has before, it could again
and many times it does.

reply to post by 00nunya00


That was fantastic.
We need a bat signal to alert you
to certain posts and threads.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Firstly let me say that I find it pointless to discuss anything with anyone whose whole basis for their point of view is no other source but The Bible.

Secondly in response to your 1 2 & 3 what world have you been living in?

As for your pontification with all due respect...

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha !!!!!!

Actually, aside from Christians believing Jesus to be the literal son of God and Muslims believing Jesus to be a prophet, Christian does in fact equal Muslim.

Deny Ignorance. Islam and Christianity are both abrahamic religions.

reply to post by DENBY

Firstly let me say that I find it pointless to discuss anything with anyone whose whole basis for their point of view is no other source but The Bible.

Secondly in response to your 1 2 & 3 what world have you been living in?

You might benefit from taking a second look at WhoKnows100's 1-2-3 argument.

Point 1 rests on the premise that faith in God and adherence to His principles makes for a great country. Point 2 argues that if that is true, it is not unreasonable to assume that abandoning that faith and adherence will have a bad effect on the country. And Point 3 claims that faith in something other than God and following someone else's principles is not a satisfactory substitute.

If you grant Point 1, WhoKnows100's argument may not be logically watertight, but it is certainly reasonable, for this world or any other.

But what about Point 1? Was faith in God, and adherence to His morality, necessary to our country?

Noah Webster, author of the first American Speller and the first Dictionary said, "[T]he Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government. . . . and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence."

John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution. "[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments. [T]herefore education should teach the precepts of religion and the duties of man towards God."

John Jay, Original Chief-Justice of the U. S. Supreme Court , "The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."

It certainly looks like WhoKnows100 has made a pretty good case. Too substantial to be reasonably or intelligently dismissed with a laugh.

doesnt matter what religion he is, ITS CHANGE WE NEED!!! CLAP CLAP POINT CLAP CLAP POINT, CHANGE WE NEED!! having 2 religions should really help him, so how is he still so f ing FAIL lol

reply to post by charles1952


He is clearly not a true Christian or he would never have poked fun at bible verses the way he did. He may subscribe to the Marxist Black Liberation Theology of chickens coming home to roost and g-d d American brand though, as Marxism would ruin any religion. I think that his Marxism makes him amenable to the radical brand Islam as well, and perhaps even the esoteric version of Islam which would be the whole Hidden Imam thing. I found a theosophical teaching on the Hidden Imam, but they described it as black magic. Being that POTUS may in fact be connected to a masonic group is not so far fetched. He easily can be a true Illuminati.

I would also mention that the only spiritual saving grace of Obama in my view is the little Hanuman trinket he carries around.

But maybe the voodoo practices of Michelle's mom nullify anything positive.Oh yah and it may have been the first time voodoo ceremonies have ever been performed in the WH.

The first grandma appears to be worried about her health now, even though doctors pronounce her in good shape. "Marian invited an old friend from Chicago to visit her at the White House, and she performed a Santeria ceremony in the residence. When Michelle saw this woman, a voodoo priestess she recognized her from when her father was sick, she had a fit. When she told the president about it, he blew up and said, ‘No voodoo in the White House. Absolutely. I don’t care what you call it.’ As far as I know, it only happened once," the friend said.

theobamafile.com...

reply to post by TheBeatMasta


Well think about this. A politician is a professional liar. That's why most of them are ex lawyers. They're professional liars! Whatever group they're talking to, that's what religion they are on that day. So oh bum ah is a part time, muslim, christian, buddhist, hindu, mormon, satanist! Depends on his day and his mood and what group he's addressing.

Originally posted by ExNihilo
reply to post by TheBeatMasta

 

I am not even going to watch that video. Do you know what. SO what if he is a Muslim? What does it matter? He obviously is a Christian, but if he was not i do not see how it matters.

Freedom of religion. That is a right too.

Unless it is written somewhere in the constitution that one must be Christian in order to become President I really don't get what the fuss is about.

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Some people just cannot be woken up. This is the world we live in and this is why our country in crap right now. People like this.

reply to post by charles1952


Webster, Adams, Morris, Jay.
Every quote you have cited is by definition Bible based.

A substantial case? Yeah, of Biblical Proportions.

Ofcourse Obama is a Muslim . Christianity and Islam is related . Muslim is incomplete without Jesus . Jesus is a Messiah according to Quran

reply to post by DENBY

Dear DENBY,

I'm sorry I wrote in such a way as to cause confusion.

Those quotes and many others were provided to show that the Founders agreed with WhoKnows100 on his starting point, Point 1. I then provided a brief discussion of what might follow from accepting Point 1.

With respect,
Charles1952

The Muslims, unknowingly of course, worship Satan. The big black Ka'aba that they walk around and pour energy into is a symbol of the bottomless pit of Satan - same with the infinity pools at the 9/11 memorial.

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.



Here is Mecca, and the Muslims worshiping right in the nose of the clown (the clown is a symbol of Satan, like Joker, It, Saw etc.)

that statement is completely false, its christians and muslims don't = atheists 8o))

Originally posted by TheBeatMasta
Recently I've heard Obama talk about Christians, speaking as if he was a Christian. I watch a lot of news. He has openly talked about his muslim faith, and evidence can be found everywhere. Only God can save us.

Even the video itself clearly says he's not a Muslim yet you're here saying he is. This is downright disgusting that people feel like they can latch on to a lie and keep repeating it, hoping that will make it true.

I've never been a big Obama supporter and was completely open to other possibilities, hell, I even voted for McCain because I respect the man (even if he did pick a MORON as VP candidate). But you know what? All the lies, all the constant twisting and turning, all the outright dishonesty has made me commit to absolutely, positively casting my vote for Obama.

If he is opposed by the type of people who will do what you and others have done right here in this thread and so many others, then he opposes utter stupidity, outright lying and total ignorance, so he'll have my vote. You didn't turn people away from Obama, you turned them TO Obama. Congratulations on helping him get more votes, when he's elected, maybe he'll send you a "thank you" card.

As far as what his religion is, that really doesn't matter, we're not a theocracy. If he WAS a Muslim, which he isn't, it wouldn't matter. It doesn't bother me one tiny bit that Romney is Mormon, in fact, that's the ONLY thing I actually like about him and the only thing he hasn't flip-flopped on.

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Oh, I love this game! Let's play.

Bush Jr would never have displayed such vulgar behavior as a bow! He just played Pretty Pretty Princess with the Saudis (you know, that oppressive Islamist regime that birthed and raised the 9/11 hijackers) and took a little lover's stroll with them:

Of course, he would never bow to foreign religious leaders, especially ones that his own faith (Protestant) once considered to be antichrists:

And he CERTAINLY would never have bowed to the Queen, representative of our former enslavement by an unjust oppressor, right? When Obama did it it was considered to be high treason, right?

Of course, this is probably some new-fangled uber-PC fad that was foisted on Bush Jr because of Clinton's ultra-leftist American apologetics, right?

(Eisenhower bowing to De Gaulle)

Nixon just looking really closely at the shoes of the Japanese emperor WHO WAS OUR ENEMY IN WW2

Nixon checking his shoes for dog scat while shaking Mao's hand, right?

DING! Your turn.

ETA: If Obama got an honorary knighting by the Queen, that would mean he was swearing allegiance to her and therefore treason, right? Even if no such oath was required for honorary non-UK knights? Well, you can always ask Reagan and Bush Sr if they swore an oath when they were knighted.

edit on 1-10-2012 by 00nunya00 because: (no reason given)

Excellent examples!! Thanks for putting the work and effort into showing the hypocrisy of what is thrown about all the time!

....as many stars as I can give you!

Originally posted by OMsk3ptic

Here is Mecca, and the Muslims worshiping right in the nose of the clown (the clown is a symbol of Satan, like Joker, It, Saw etc.)

A great example of someone seeing what he wants to see, that second picture obviously has been tampered with for this agenda.