Romney TORTURE Memo Leaked

So Romney IS being Told what to do, WHEN he becomes president.
yes "When not If."

Americas despot dictatorship is sending its lower class into a dark age.
but dont worry you will always have TV and computer games.
this is to keep you occupied. slaves !

its pretty hard to tell you what you want to hear with a sock jammed down your mouth and gallons of water being poured on your face.

It's a reversion to the Neocon agenda, and putting back into place most of the policies enacted under Bush, including torture.

Not surprising when you consider most of Romney's named cabinet is a repeat of the same neocon names from Bush's admin;

Romney now running for Bush's 3rd Term - Full Bush Neocon Team In Place

Running for Bush's third term, Romney surrounds himself with Bush aides.

Mitt Romney could well become the most dangerous man in the world if he is elected to be the US President. The Wall Street Journal... “Mitt Romney is relying on both moderate and hawkish neoconservative advisers …” many of these advisers were Bush operatives.

Some of the names from Romney’s list are as follows…

• Henry Kissinger (Nixon’s Secretary of State)
  
• James Baker (George H.W. Bush’s Secretary of State)
  
• Cofer Black (former CIA official, former vice president of Blackwater International)
  
• Eliot Cohen (George W. Bush’s State Department official)
  
• Paula Dobriansky (George W. Bush’s State Department official)
  
• Norm Coleman
  
• John Bolton (George W. Bush’s former UN ambassador)
  
• John Lehman (Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy)
  
• George Shultz (Reagan’s Secretary of State)
  
• Richard Williamson (George W. Bush’s Assistant Secretary of State)
  
• Michael Chertoff (Bush’s Homeland Security Secretary)
  
• Michael Hayden (created warrantless wiretapping programs for Bush)

Originally posted by buster2010
Even the Nazis learned that torture was useless. Sad to see the GOP picked someone that refuses to learn from the past.

That's what you get when you insist history is a left wing plot!

When they torchure, is that only like waterboarding or is it far worse? And who does that apply to?

Those anti-religions say that punishing is bad and retarded.

But they torture because goal justifies the means.

And the rule is

You can do anything

So you zombies will rage about a memo, but you wont rage about your own president who can and has killed Americans with no due process? Can you get any more hypocritical? You know Gitmo is still open, right?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Que the "but Obama is WORSE" and "torture isnt really THAT bad" posts in 3...2...1...

but I digress. This comes as no shock. The GOP is very pro "war on terror", even if it means becoming terrorists themselves.

OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT NOT ROMNEY!

Geez, do you people live in an alternate reality or what? You're so utterly deluded. Especially considering the crux of most your defenses for Obama's failings is "Bush did it too".

The GOP is very pro "war on terror", even if it means becoming terrorists themselves.

Excellent post, I might have to start quoting that line.

Originally posted by CB328

The GOP is very pro "war on terror", even if it means becoming terrorists themselves.

Excellent post, I might have to start quoting that line.

Obama killing Americans with no due process is just fine with you? The drone strikes are find and dandy? How do people like you twist yourselves in to such hypocritical knots? Its disturbing.

During World War 2, it was said that if you were to be captured, it would be better if it was by an American, than a Japanese, German, Russian etc, because we treated our prisoners much better than the others did.

It is sad how far we have fallen.

I don't recognize this country anymore, where we have no solid foundations or principles to stand on.
Our traditional domestic and foreign policies that benefited everyone in the past have been shredded to award the few elite at the top. These constant wars are of no benefit to any American's except the traitors and criminals at the top.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Using more extreme torture methods devalues the reputation of the country using them. It also sends the message that the means justifies the ends and that anything goes.

Originally posted by votan
even if Obama isn't lieing... its not like obama has direct control of everything our military and intelligence agencies do. HOw much is not kept from him like it is from our representatives under the guise of national security.

This is another peculiar defense of Obama I see from you lock step supporters all the time. The "he doesn't have control over it" defense. It reminds me of hardcore Stalin supporters I've sen in documentaries that insist he had no control over the death and suffering of the Russian people.

Yet, they assign so much power and control to people who don't even hold office, like Sarah Palin. Romney isn't even president and your assigning blame to him for things Obama is controlling currently.

It's maddening and eye opening.

If we torture, and we did (Bush directly admitted it), then we have absolutely no right to criticize or penalize any nation who tortures our people. They are perfectly justified in doing so and we just need to STF up because WE will have given them license.

...by the way, to be fair, consistent and intellectually honest, this is NOT Romney's torture memo. It is a memo from neocons to him. Laying it at Romney's feet is as much BS as calling Obama a Muslim. And folks here should know I loathe Romney, but one can't assign this to him. We should be calling out ALL lies.

Add this to the list of reasons a President Romney is the last thing our nation needs.
Don't have to be an Obama fanboy to see the obvious dangers with him in office, either.
If we're headed downward now, the momentum will only accelerate under him.
That is my firm belief on the matter.

Originally posted by RealSpoke


Torture does not work

How do you know?

I bet even you can think of one instance where torture would be acceptable.

Say you have a time machine and go back to the day before the USA was nuked by 500 nukes at the same time in 500 major US cities. Lets say you found the guy who just delivered these launch codes to the main nuke controller but he's not talking. You just let him walk? See you in the next life.. or do you torture him to get the info and save your country?.

reply to post by RealSpoke


We're going to attack a man who hasn't served a day, hasn't signed an order and hasn't done a thing.....based on his opinion from the cheap seats and outside the moments where such decisions are actually made? Hmm.... I take his opinion and rather ill-informed take on the whats and wheres to be informative to his thought process...but little more. Even his briefings which started last week on National Security are very limited and politically screened for safety to Obama.

So....I assume we have at least a little outrage for the man who still..to this day and almost 4 long years later...oversees operations at Gitmo, Bagram Detention Center (Until just these past weeks), the Dungeon outside Kandahar and to my knowledge, a rendition program that slowed down but absolutely never ended. He even signed an NDAA so Americans can get rendered too.;....lest we felt left out or anything.

Romney has some bad attitudes about torture does he? I'll be interested to see more about his 'ideas', as the REALITY of 12 years has torture, in some forms, as routine and standard with nothing looking to change. At worst then, Romney is business as usual.

('Course...the movies about the evil of the Black Site prison network...that sure as HELL still exists people....came under Bush. Now the movies are HERO raids and War as a good and romantic thing )

Ask Thailand why we closed the Embassy there last week.....after losing classified bundles of "Foreign Contigency Operations" material from the Benghazi Consulate compound. The two may seem unrelated...but they only seem that way and the video has jack to do with it. Your OP title has a hell of a lot more truth to the events we're seeing after having that consulate over-run and destroyed.

I don't know how Romney does...or if he does better. I just know much more of the past 12 years, and I'll have a feeling that I need to be thrusting my arm out at the precisely correct angle for a rounding yell of Sieg Heil! as Government officials may come into view.

There are some principles that should never be discarded, even in the face of death, otherwise, all those soldiers in the past that also died for our freedoms we used to have was, all for not.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix

Originally posted by RealSpoke


Torture does not work

How do you know?

I bet even you can think of one instance where torture would be acceptable.

Say you have a time machine and go back to the day before the USA was nuked by 500 nukes at the same time in 500 major US cities. Lets say you found the guy who just delivered these launch codes to the main nuke controller but he's not talking. You just let him walk? See you in the next life.. or do you torture him to get the info and save your country?.

reply to post by PvtHudson

Originally posted by PvtHudson
...zombies...

That is as about a good an explanation as I've ever heard.

I'm dumbfounded by the ignorance displayed in this thread.

reply to post by RealSpoke


Please, please, please America. I've said it on other threads and I will repeat it here. Please don't let Romney win. That man is slimy filth, he's pondlife. Whatever you're gonna tick or write on the ballot, DO NOT tick Mitt Romney. Do the world a favour.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Please, please, please America. I've said it on other threads and I will repeat it here. Please don't let Romney win. That man is slimy filth, he's pondlife. Whatever you're gonna tick or write on the ballot, DO NOT tick Mitt Romney. Do the world a favour.

Romney will not win. Its pathetic that the republicans couldnt get a better nominee, hes almost as bad as Mc Caine.
Actually, he is probably worse than McCaine.
It doesnt really matter, its all a joke and theyre all puppets

Originally posted by loam
Oh, this thread is too rich...

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Isn't this interesting? Obama signed this EO to stop torture as one of his first actions in office.

A pretty meaningless accomplishment, when you can simply assume the intelligence you might suspect and just KILL the person, including American citizens without judicial due process:

Obama's Kill List

...or presume their guilt by virtue of their geographic proximity to other presumed terrorists:

U.S. Drone Policy: Standing Near Terrorists Makes You A Terrorist

Obama, Becker and Shane write, was angry when informed that the first drone strike after he took office had killed innocent Pakistanis. But one of the measures the administration embraced to prevent future innocent casualties was to embrace a method of counting combatants that would rope in more innocents.

"It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent," the Times reports. "Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good."

...or detain a person indefinitely without due process:

Obama wins right to indefinitely detain Americans under NDAA

...or just convince most people you've eliminated torture, by removing one type of it (water-boarding), while still heavily engaging in other types of it:

Torture under Obama

and:

ACLU trashes Obama over indefinite detention and torture act

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Yeah, I'm real glad Obama offers an alternative to the approaches outlined by these mere advisers to Romney (he hasn't actually said this would be his position yet).

Just think how much worse off we would be...

edit on 29-9-2012 by loam because: (no reason given)

Yes, but Mitt Romney agrees with Obama on this bill... He too, thinks it is a good idea so your argument is flawed, severely.