American High School Band Marches with Hammer & Sickle

nope, nope, nope...It's official....the dang paradigm is rolling all over the place....The one poster asked if anyone had russian friends....yes....they told horror stories about their grandfathers spending their lives in prison for christianity....that's why they come here to the US...

reply to post by pointr97


There is a whole line of US Supreme Court Jurisprudence that states that schools can place some limits on students' speech in order to maintain order or promote learning. For example, a student could not wear a swastika t-shirt if that would disrupt the order of a school A student could not distribute pornographic materials if that would disrupt the order of the school.

I for one think a hammer and sickle is relatively harmless these days and may be protected school speech. I cannot see a hammer and sickle creating the disturbance that the examples I cited could create.

reply to post by Druscilla


Actually none of that is socialism. It is liberalism.

Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production. Unless the workers own the means of production it is not socialism.

Liberalism is a capitalist state with a social safety-net.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

I for one think a hammer and sickle is relatively harmless these days and may be protected school speech. I cannot see a hammer and sickle creating the disturbance that the examples I cited could create.

Kids can't even wear AMERICAN FLAGS to school these days, don't you understand what's happening here?

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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Well that's a romantic notion!

Why don't you show pictures of the breadlines. The mass graves. The tenements. The child labor. The starved farmers.

Or are you historically ignorant?

How about some pictures and articles from America?

Mass graves outside Chicago

Men Women and CHILDREN slaughtered and buried in mass grave after Wounded Knee:


Poverty in America:





Unemployment in America, From Clinton to W. Bush:



Soviet Russia?
What good came out of it?
Let's see ...
Who developed the Soyuz space capsules and rockets we're STILL using to get to the ISS?
The Soviet military had and always had FULL equality for women in combat roles


Science and Technology in Russia

Timeline of Russian inventions and Technology Records

I've mentioned The Soviet Space Program but, there you go again.

and, a bit of humor:
NOONE messes with the Kalnin K7 Heavy Bomber

reply to post by Signals


I am just replying to the person that asked whether kids have freedom of speech in schools. As I stated earlier, the US Supreme Court's answer to that question is "not really."

reply to post by Druscilla


Right.. so if they held a theme titled "Wounded Knee 1890"

American poverty is unheard of wealth in most countries.

Our breadlines lasted a few years. It certainly wasn't institutional, and it didn't lead to millions dieing, and it wasn't forced localized starvation.

You've failed miserably, even with the use of strawmen arguments.

Try again!

reply to post by Druscilla


Maybe you should show all of this to your kids, and let them parade around at school carrying hammers & sickles.

You have failed here, it is obvious OBVIOUS trolling on your part, as many have witnessed on countless threads Druscilla. You cannot even make the least little bit of comparison in your post to what came of the Russian Revolution... It is you that is uneducated, you that is unlearned.



If that is your America, if that is what you think this country is about, then

LEAVE.

we don't need you.



If you aren't an American, you cannot, and will not ever understand my OP.

I suspect it is your usual MO though, its getting very boring and transparent.

reply to post by Signals


You are wasting your time. This site is filled with communist, socialist, and jihadist. There is no way you can win an argument about protecting American ideals. The people you are arguing with are the very ones trying to tear it down.

They are just here to further their little agenda and fight the monsters they see in their minds.
Tilting at windmills, so to speak.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Right.. so if they held a theme titled "Wounded Knee 1890"

American poverty is unheard of wealth in most countries.

Our breadlines lasted a few years. It certainly wasn't institutional, and it didn't lead to millions dieing, and it wasn't forced localized starvation.

You've failed miserably, even with the use of strawmen arguments.

Try again!

Your declaration of failure only quantifies your personal bias and failure in agreement.
Your declaration of failure is irrelevant.

I'm pretty certain 'Failure' is not yours, or any individuals to dispense with.


Point is, regarding my posts, the good old USA is just as dirty as the old USSR, possibly even more so in some arenas, and less so in others.

Guilt is mutual.

It's okay and fine to have some biased National pride, but, in the end, we are all citizens of one planet.

Learn some tolerance of other peoples.

Sure, there's a past anywhere and everywhere you go, there's a regional past, and usually a regional past that has details which can be thoroughly frowned upon.

Over reacting regarding the old Sickle and Hammer is silly.
Besides, this happened in the USA, where such expressions are supposedly protected under First Amendment Rights.

reply to post by Druscilla


Your post full of strawman fallacies? Please..

And never did I say the school should not be allowed to have this theme. I simply stated that I can see the offense considering the Bolsheviks caused hell on Earth for many millions of people.

People like you, who defend the Stalinist do so out of sheer ignorance, nothing more.

American working people should be in solidarity with the Russians, as well as other working people around the world. They are not your enemy, the institutions of authority are. They being capitalism and the government/state that came with it.

The Russian government lied to the people, just like your government lies to you. Russian working people were exploited, just like you are exploited.

National pride to the point of aggression and hate is something conditioned into people, it's not natural. It's done to keep working people from solidarity, and organizing for their own best interest. We have to be kept weak, so even if we know what's going on we do not have the force of numbers to change anything. Working people are the majority, and a serious threat to the capitalist class when organised. When workers organise this happens...

The Spanish Revolution (1936)

The state is organised against us as it preaches individuality and demonises collective cooperation of workers.

reply to post by ANOK


Yes, they were exploited and the USSR was not a Communist country. (which makes it extra idiotic to defend the USSR or the Bolsheviks considering that....) the USSR TRIED to be Communist, it was a decent attempt.. they even tried Socialism. They ended up being State Capitalist.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by Druscilla

 

If that is your America, if that is what you think this country is about, then

LEAVE.

we don't need you.

I bet you want all the black people to go back to Africa too?
Yep.

I see you.

Some American.
America: Home of the bigoted, hateful, spiteful, entitled, overweight, and homophobic.:
America; Home of the KKK, The National Socialist White People's Party (formerly the American Nazi Party), where police kill amputees in wheelchairs, and slime ball millionaires, billionaires, and corporate interests control the government at the expense of the people.



Have fun with all that over inflated National Pride.

Originally posted by ANOK
The Russian government lied to the people

“It wasn’t the fault of communism/socialism. The government lied to us!!!!!!”

Oh…… that is rich.

It reminds me of the child yelling “it’s not my fault, it’s HIS fault! HE DONE IT!!!”

When will they ever admit that their system just doesn’t work? When will they admit their little perfect dream world in their head is just a figment of their imagination. Something that will never work in real life?

I know, I know, that is a rhetorical question. They will never admit they are wrong, even when their glorious comrades have shot them in the back and are burying them in the trash heap of history.

Originally posted by Druscilla
I bet you want all the black people to go back to Africa too?
Yep.

I see you.

Some American.
America: Home of the bigoted, hateful, spiteful, entitled, overweight, and homophobic.:
America; Home of the KKK, The National Socialist White People's Party (formerly the American Nazi Party), where police kill amputees in wheelchairs, and slime ball millionaires, billionaires, and corporate interests control the government at the expense of the people.

Have fun with all that over inflated National Pride.

So you automatically assume someone is a racist KKK nazi whatever…if they point out the fact that if you want to live under that type government, you should just go someone where they already reap the rewards of such a grand system of government, Instead of trying to bring that crap over here?

I think there is a term for someone that is quick to draw quick negative generalizations in regard to certain people based on their nationality, religion, race, or other beliefs.

Heal they self, heal they self

To some of us that symbol is the same as the Swastika. The Soviets perpetrated the Holodomor against Ukrainians.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by ANOK

 

Yes, they were exploited and the USSR was not a Communist country. (which makes it extra idiotic to defend the USSR or the Bolsheviks considering that....) the USSR TRIED to be Communist, it was a decent attempt.. they even tried Socialism. They ended up being State Capitalist.

The revolution started with good intentions from the workers, but the Bolsheviks never wanted communism to begin with, they just used the revolution to take state power. They maintained state power by exploiting the 'transition period' of Marxism. The period of nationalism when the state takes over industry. But they had no intention of then dismantling the state and making the move from nationalism to socialism/communism. The state in Marxism is supposed to be in control of the workers also, the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Yes their economy was known as 'state-capitalism' until post WWII when the propaganda machine went into overdrive, demonising worker solidarity and worker movements such as communism.

reply to post by Mr Tranny


When will you realise what you think socialists want, is not what socialists want?

When are you going to realise capitalism, is not what you have been told it is?

When are you going to research history, and find the truth?

...In political science the "bolsheviks" moved sharply from Marxism. It was not enough for Lenin and the "bolsheviks" to have led in overthrowing the Czar and to have established a people's republic of Russia, a grand enough achievement; the "bolsheviks" had to call it a "Socialist State." Marx had previously denounced such terms. To him there could be no such thing as a "free" State or a "socialist" State. The State was an instrument of force by which one class dictated its will to another. Socialism, on the other hand, stressed the withering away of the State and the disappearance of the class struggle...

The Masks and Ignorance of Bolshevism from a Marxist Point of View

reply to post by Signals


I can name you one. A biggie too. A country big enough and stable enough to be equal and/or superior force to the germans. Without that country Hitler would've marched right into the oil fields and other little treasures and controlled a huge area. Then who knows what would've happened.