The Right Wing Echo Chamber

reply to post by benrl

Watch an Episode of Bill Maher if you want to see the same kind of rhetoric being spouted by the left.

Here's a little factoid that some on the right don't quite get. Bill Maher is an unapologetic comedian. His show isn't news. It's comedy.

This is the problem with those that choose FOX News as their sole source of information, most of what is on FOX is opinion shows or infotainment. They get away with nearly constantly lying on the air because it's opinion, and not real news.

But unfortunately for the moronic masses, they buy whatever O'Reilly or Hannity say as gospel without even thinking about it, then the next day they are on here parroting everything those morons say verbatim.

Yes, the left is guilty of this as well, I'll be the first to admit that. The left has their propaganda tools too. MSNBC is very left oriented and I personally can't stand watching that channel.

But it's hard to argue with facts, fortunately for those on the left, the right's idea of "facts" are that Obama is the anti-Christ, Obama was born in Kenya, Obama is a Socialist, etc. it makes it really easy to discredit a political viewpoint when muttonheads chime in with those supposed "facts"

The right takes lies and falsehoods and actually believes them, then they disseminate this "information" as fact without bothering to check it. Do they bother to apologise to their gullible audience when the truth is finally reviled? nope, just add more lies to the mix.

This is mainly a right wing problem, and its one that only the supporters of the conservative movement can fix themselves. because the right wing media isn't going to allow anything from outside of their little circle to debunk the constant lies.

All one has to do to see this in action is look up the tens of thousands of threads on ATS about Obama being from Kenya and you can see how it works. The lies are debunked, the argument stagnates, then the lies are fed into the next thread and so on and so forth. The same exact people who were just shown facts in the last thread immediately forget everything they read, and start it up all over again fresh and new.

So no, it's not really both a right and left problem, it's mainly a right wing problem.

I honestly believe that the Right and the Republican Party as a whole have lost touch with the emerging American public. They are steadfast to the same old same old without considering or embracing new perspectives, concepts or ideas that many other Americans already have. They continue to pander the same religious based rhetoric despite the shift that comes with new generations of voters who are more concerned about the economy than they are about opposing gay marriage and the legalization of marijuana. The Republicans continue to dig their own grave ignoring this fact. One would think they would reevaluate their objectives and platform given the rising popularity of the Libertarian party, but it seems they are simply too stubborn and that will inevitably be their doom.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by WeRpeons

 

oh extreme right.... pro family pro-life pro-defense, pro free market....yep I'm proud to be all those things.

I have to wonder then, where did it all go wrong?
Those values can be attached to most people, no 'political party' has the monopoly on those ideals, while they all seek to profess to them, they make stupid law that makes just about all that you are proud of absolute zilch.
This is an intelligent thread, nowt' to do with 'Madcow' per se, she uses the same, 'get this' 'would you believe' technique, as in Fox. What then is up to you or me, that is to go and seek and find.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I just don't even want to waste my time here because it's basically a far left zombie fest in here. The idea that MSNBC "has opposing ideas" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's an all left wing network with a alleged "conservative" who makes his name by bashing his own side. Much like you're doing now. Everything you posted is subjective opinion that's not backed by a single fact. It's all the typical MSM talking points that filter through left wing political organizations like Media Matters. Trying to pen your eyes to this fact is CLEARLY a futile effort. So, I'll just leave you with the suggestion that you apply all your accusations of "the right" an apply them to yourself.

Republican voter mindsets:

War is bad unless a Republican does it.
Spending is bad unless a Republican does it.
Oppressing rights is bad unless a Republican does it.
Health care is for them only.
(same sex) Marriage is evil and will cause the world to end.
Fox News brings in more than one billion dollars a year in profit but isn't "mainstream" like the other media outlets.

This is why I'm glad to be a progressive Libertarian Democrat.

F the GOP.

Well! This is an argument I don't want to get into, so rather than insert an opinion, I think I'll just drop in a few bits of information and then hide from the shelling.

1.) The Pew polling people did a study on tolerance for opposing ideas as expressed by internet users on social networking sites.
hotair.com... Look at the study itself, not just the editorializing.

One goal of the survey was to see if people are using the sites in a way that suggests they live in social network “echo chambers” of like-minded friends.

Politics can be a sensitive subject and a number of SNS users have decided to block, unfriend, or hide someone because of their politics or posting activities. In all, 18% of social networking site users have taken one of those steps

Liberals are the most likely to have taken each of these steps to block, unfriend, or hide. In all, 28% of liberals have blocked, unfriended, or hidden someone on SNS because of one of these reasons, compared with 16% of conservatives and 14% of moderates.

2.) Politifact is not considered a conservative site (Opinion) www.politifact.com... They report that Rachel Maddow made false statements when she said:

Fox News "said the New Black Panther Party decided the election for Barack Obama."
"President Bush never did one interview with the New York Times during his entire presidency."

3.) (This one's a little more opinion.) To the idea that Republicans are crashing, more and more out of touch, please remember that Obama won by more than 7%. If the Republians are crashing, shouldn't he be at least 7% ahead, maybe closer to 10%? Would you care to find a couple of polls showing that? I wouldn't.

Please be patient with each other and issue no condemnations of other posters without thought and facts.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot. She's just pissed because the "right" is beating her at her own game.

I see the eye-rolling crows is here! Jesus, can't we get rid of the smiley faces already? I was going to say we are all adults here, aren't we? But no, I'm sure there are some younger folk here, especially based on the immature reaction of a few.

sheepslayer247, as a fellow Republican, I could not agree with you more. It's like you were writing a thread for me. I have never been so frustrated with those of my own party and ideology, and to make things worse people close to me (family members) drink the kool aid and I see it up close and personal. My mom literally listens to conservative radio all day long and comes home and turns on Fox News. It has changed her freakin' personality, for Christ sake! I have been like a psychology student, slowly watching and studying her descent into madness, and it is so predictable it boils my blood. Even things I warn her about, she will be doing a week later. When you watch it happen to someone it is easy to see the narrative they are pushing, for instance she is now very pro-Israel and anti-Muslim, and she calls me a liberal when I challenger her views (even just playing Devil's advocate). And she knows very well I am not a liberal. She jumps the gun constantly and makes assumptions. You can tell how she has been led to a foregone conclusion by watching and listening to this crap.

I've tried to educate her, and others, that it's all just a distraction, that the things they are blaming the Left for the Right are guilty of the same exact things, but it seems she even enjoys it. I've said it before on here and I believe it, people just want someone to blame and both parties and the media play into it so well.

But I also agree with you that most of the Democrats that I know personally are WAY more even keeled, less apocalyptic, less likely to name call or overreact, and are more likely to listen and accept someone else's opinion. From what I see on the mainstream Right is just absolute propaganda that basically comes down to psychological manipulation. Seriously, Goebbels would be proud with the way our political parties and news networks do business.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Keep up the good work. The payoff will be better for the country and the world. We did not get this way overnight, and we cannot change overnight, but change can come.

Originally posted by PatriotGames2 My mom literally listens to conservative radio all day long and comes home and turns on Fox News. It has changed her freakin' personality, for Christ sake! I have been like a psychology student, slowly watching and studying her descent into madness, and it is so predictable it boils my blood.

Very similar experience here. I was on the phone the other day with my Mom and I swear I felt spittle on my face, coming though the phone. She was raging about Obama and repeating some silliness I know for a fact was on the Goat Licking Paranoids site. Now this woman has NEVER been political until two years ago.

She even demanded to know, accusingly, "You aren't going to vote for him AGAIN are you!?"

Honestly, I didn't have an answer, not sure how I feel this time around but I know I won't be voting for this this GOP ticket.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Republican voter mindsets:

War is bad unless a Republican does it.
Spending is bad unless a Republican does it.
Oppressing rights is bad unless a Republican does it.
Health care is for them only.
(same sex) Marriage is evil and will cause the world to end.
Fox News brings in more than one billion dollars a year in profit but isn't "mainstream" like the other media outlets.

This is why I'm glad to be a progressive Libertarian Democrat.

F the GOP.

I see Obama got us out of Afghanistan like he promised. Nope. Surge. Oh, then there's that Libya thing, and that thing down in Africa with the "rebels". Yep, he's all about "peace".

And sadly, Democrats NEVER say spending is bad. It's always good. And Healthcare is for everybody, just like driving a car is for everybody; in other words, buy your own friggin' car, loser.

Don't know too many Republicans who say gay marriage will cause the world to end. Now that I think of it, I don't know any. You fail. The term "marriage" dates back to the bible. You are free to have civil unions, why isn't that enough? You want to redefine something that was defined a couple thousand years ago and it doesn't say anything about gay marriage in the bible. Just because you want to redefine something, that doesn't mean you get to. Just like a dog is a dog is a dog; you can't simply change that just because you feel like it. By definition, marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't have to like it but it's a fact.

And, Fox is MSM. They're like all the rest. But the thing is, nobody gave a rat's ass about left-biased media before Fox came along. Everybody was just as happy as a clam with the likes of CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS. Nothing to see there. But now that there is ONE network, who handily stole the ratings of the other umpteen democrat shoe-lickers combined, now, suddenly the left is concerned about biased media. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the ignorance.

Jesus, I'm glad someone is standing up for Truth. I remember when, three months ago, I couldn't step into ATS without sighing and closing my eyes. I've been to stormfront for laughs and I've seen things on this site that make that site look like left wing loyalists.

I'm so glad we haven't gained immortality through technology yet. Some ideologies just have to fade away.

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Someone had to say it.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Democrats do not have an extreme left, communists would not join that party since it is capitalist...

reply to post by PvtHudson

I just don't even want to waste my time here because it's basically a far left zombie fest in here.

I'd be willing to bet that many of those you call left-wing zombies are actually fellow Republicans.

The idea that MSNBC "has opposing ideas" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Ever watched MSNBC? They are much more balanced and subjective then Fox or CNN. I've seen many occasions where Maddow and others have changed their approach to an issue in the middle of a segment due to new evidence coming to light. I've also seen them make fools of themselves.

Much like you're doing now.

I would put my conservatism up against yours any day and see who's the real conservative here. I'm the real deal, as are many others on ATS! I'm not a RINO or a "token conservative".

You can call me liberal, moderate or whatever.....my ideology doesn't change when it's advantageous to do so.

Everything you posted is subjective opinion that's not backed by a single fact.

Did you watch the video private? There are some facts contained within.

It's all the typical MSM talking points that filter through left wing political organizations like Media Matters.

So if it's a talking point, why do you contrast it with....talking points?

So, I'll just leave you with the suggestion that you apply all your accusations of "the right" an apply them to yourself.

My consious is clear. I have no reservations saying what I said and stand by it. I do not resort to the same tactics and whether it's Fox, MSNBC or anyone else I do not allow myself to be blinded by propaganda and rhetoric.

I have learned my lesson from when I used to be a NeoCon.

Never again..........

It seems like it has gotten to the point where both democrats and republicans no longer really know where their party stands. They just know that they are a member of one or the other. And the other is the enemy in the opinion of many. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of people could not tell you the difference between what the two parties really stand for. I personally find that each party produces good ideas at different times, and I never agree with one on all issues.

This is part of the reason why political parties are dangerous as well. So I stay away from them both. I see problems with both parties rhetoric. It is a good thing I don't have to pick one though, as it would be tough. I think in the end I would have to pick the dems, simply because I feel that not only are they slightly better informed, but that they also have much more compassion that the GOP. That is the way I see it anyway. It is next to impossible to get at the truth of every matter by watching or listening to the MSM, no matter which way they lean. That is just a fact backed up by data showing what you were talking about.

This is why I promote networks like Link and FSTV...Basically those who run and survive based on donations from the people, and do not take corporate, or "dirty" money like the MSM. The MSM was built on dirty money. So anyway, I agree that people have the truth kept from them, and they need to realize that the only way they are really going to get it is to seek it out themselves. But the problem is that there are so many morons out there peddling stuff they believe to be true, but isn't. So not really lies, just stupidity because they fail to adequately look into and interpret things. Good thread imo, although I don't agree with everything, lol.

Originally posted by axslinger

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Republican voter mindsets:

War is bad unless a Republican does it.
Spending is bad unless a Republican does it.
Oppressing rights is bad unless a Republican does it.
Health care is for them only.
(same sex) Marriage is evil and will cause the world to end.
Fox News brings in more than one billion dollars a year in profit but isn't "mainstream" like the other media outlets.

This is why I'm glad to be a progressive Libertarian Democrat.

F the GOP.

I see Obama got us out of Afghanistan like he promised. Nope. Surge. Oh, then there's that Libya thing, and that thing down in Africa with the "rebels". Yep, he's all about "peace".

And sadly, Democrats NEVER say spending is bad. It's always good. And Healthcare is for everybody, just like driving a car is for everybody; in other words, buy your own friggin' car, loser.

Don't know too many Republicans who say gay marriage will cause the world to end. Now that I think of it, I don't know any. You fail. The term "marriage" dates back to the bible. You are free to have civil unions, why isn't that enough? You want to redefine something that was defined a couple thousand years ago and it doesn't say anything about gay marriage in the bible. Just because you want to redefine something, that doesn't mean you get to. Just like a dog is a dog is a dog; you can't simply change that just because you feel like it. By definition, marriage is between a man and a woman. You don't have to like it but it's a fact.

And, Fox is MSM. They're like all the rest. But the thing is, nobody gave a rat's ass about left-biased media before Fox came along. Everybody was just as happy as a clam with the likes of CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS. Nothing to see there. But now that there is ONE network, who handily stole the ratings of the other umpteen democrat shoe-lickers combined, now, suddenly the left is concerned about biased media. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the ignorance.

Obama didn't promise he'd take us out of Afghanistan. In fact, increasing the amount of troops in the country was part of his campaign.

I don't think I even mentioned Obama in my post or Libya. But I think I see your point. Kinda.

Also, not everyone follows the same religious institution as yours. Therefore, not everyone takes a book consisting of ancient mythology (the Bible) as factual. The point? Marriage isn't just for a particular group of people. Get over it. Everyone deserves equality. Don't like it? Go to Saudi Arabia.

As for the media outlets....you probably don't remember but the news at one time actually consisted of...well, news.

Fun fact time!

Mainstream outlets such as MSNBC and CNN take notes from FOX in terms of aggression and bias. They now hire assassins (well, "journalistic" commentators) to attack politicians or anyone on the opposing side.

In other words, Fox actually did kind of begin the aggressive one sided bullsh*t of a game. Thanks, Murdoch. Also, FOX isn't news. It's entertainment and those who view it don't watch it to get actual news, they watch it to enforce their opinions.

And that's that. Thanks!

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It's never an argument with you and I must say Charles, you and I do not always agree but we both have one thing that we should all have.

Mutual respect!

You do not fall into the category` I laid out in the OP. You are open to opinions and are willing to look at fact before mantra. I respect you for that.

That being said, it would be stupid of me to say that these media outlets are not biased in one way or the other. We all are. I am trying to suggest that one section of our political spectrum has swayed so far to one side that we can no longer afford to blow-off or deny it any longer.

It is a potential threat to the American ideology of freedom, truth, diplomacy, empathy and courage. That may sound extreme, but we all know from history how far it can go.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
It seems like it has gotten to the point where both democrats and republicans no longer really know where their party stands.

I have a question, ATS. I'm not calling out this poster in particular, because he or she makes one point or two. There exists a disturbing trend. Whenever a poster calls out far right nonsense that cannot be disputed by facts, why is it that I always see, "well the left right/republican democrat/liberal conservative etc game is being played"

Excuse me? I'm sorry, I was so sure that the hard right was being called out for its nonsense. However, if you want to add middle right to the list, then calling the Democrats out is totally acceptable.

To my point: Is this some kind of "I'll pick up conspiracy theory when it's convenient" type things. "Oh...t-th-they're all puppets, left and right," seems to emerge on the screen the second every person who votes down a jobs bill has an R next to their name. Or "Oh...b-b-but they all say stupid things when they are off script," when a right wingnut says that the female body can stave off rape pregnancies. Or "V-v-voting really doesn't matter guys," when the GOP candidate reveals he's just that...another GOP candidate. Or, man I love this one, "The monetary system is just a scam, it has no value...its a fiat currency" right after the wealthy are praised for being such holy people.

Right Wing American ATS, make up your mind. I don't want to see Pro-Romney # one day and "I-I-It doesn't matter" the next hour from the same posters. Choose something. But choose one thing.

Thanks

After reading this thread .. only 1 thought comes to mind..

The left live in some weird alternate reality where they accuse the right of doing .. what they themselves are doing.

If i had to choose a side.. I would go to the right. Left-wing idiotology is just insane. Its like you people havent been around the last 3, almost 4 years.

Ignorance in denial..