China prepares for a possible war with Japan

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

We've been sticking our noses in wars as far back as I can remember. We did so in Viet Nam, and look how that worked out for us. America has this conception that we are the worlds Nanny. How about, just once,we let them sort it out themselves?

This is simple, USA targets Iran who China/Russia protect due to interest. China targets Japan who USA is allied with... Seems like China is giving us a taste of our own medicine... It will be interesting to see how this whole story develops.

Originally posted by Tardacus
Japan are our allies just as much as israel is so i guess if shooting starts between china and japan we will get dragged into it?

U dont consider the country (China), that owns like 80% of U.S.A for allys? well ure right, they are more like owners.

Originally posted by Johnkie
U dont consider the country (China), that owns like 80% of U.S.A for allys? well ure right, they are more like owners.

80%

Ok, now that was too funny.
Long hard busy day so far with lots still to do.
I needed that laugh

Only some numbers.. they don't own the US. Bullsh*t. If if's war all those debts will be gone, than it will be survival of the strongest.

I actually don't think that the USA would be dragged into this as easily as people seem to believe. And I think China knows that too.

There would be a lot of "clam down" statements, but I think even if China made a tactical strike against Japan the US would still hold back and call for calm, arrange meetings and try to broker a peace deal. I don't think the USA would just automatically dive into the conflict in defense of either.

If it's true that China has begun to ready their military, I can imagine that this will escalate. But at which point would the US become militarily involved?

I would suggest it would be after a lot of weapons have already been fired from both sides.

There is no way china will start a war with japan. They would
have so much to lose by doing this, considering it would turn
into a ww3 for sure, and pretty much wipe us all out.

Its amazes me how just a few people (governments) have "their"
people wrapped round their fingers. To the point where we have
threads like this. What a sad, primitive, horrible world we live in

Another crazy earthquake could ease these tensions, like before. I remember reading about china flexing its muscles more and more by the day until that earthquake, it seems mother nature bought the japanesse a year of eased tensions. Or was it mother nature, Could it have been harrp? umm... You deside


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reply to post by Shax35


China might be using it as an excuse to put armed forces on alert as tensions rise

i think if it did come to blows it wouldn't last long as its not a vital to have for Japan

for both countries trade is way more vital

reply to post by TritonTaranis


not to mention if it does go hot one of the main cards we can play is get our allies to all recognize tiawan and if china manages to not take the islands they will loose face and we will keep gathering more and more allies that are more scared of china then us hell didnt we help build a nuclear reactor for vietnam last year>?
guess it was russia korea and japan helping them but no help from china as vietnam has beef with them too
www.world-nuclear.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

In March 2012[5], it was announced that South Korea and Vietnam will start a one-year feasibility study for the construction of four Korean-developed APR 1400[6] nuclear reactors, additional to the NPP's signed with Russia and Japan. The intergovernmental pact signed between Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung and South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, practically clinched the South Korean consortium as the preferred bidder. However, an official deal will only be signed after approval from the Vietnamese parliament[

www.guardian.co.uk...

www.atimes.com... talks about how alot of countries in the region are buddying up with eachother and the usa against perceved threat by china

thediplomat.com...

www.fas.org... from 2000 but details the wests 5 year plan

reply to post by 369821


and the bulk of the nations we have waged war with over the last 60-70 years are now are allies some of them are closest(Germany japan) thats one of the differences in our experience in war we fight you tooth and nail devastate your lands and countrys but then (more so in the past then today) we build you up and help you repair your economy,look at Vietnam we are on pretty good terms with them and they still show off our downed bombers as war trophys.when i went to Europe after i graduated high school my cabby in hamburg gave us a tour of how much area had been leveled by American bombers in ww2 he said something like 60% levled by the usa and 20% leveled by the brits,i asked him if he held any grudges and he said no as they are much better off today because of our friendship dispite all the waring and killing then where they would have been with out united states help. the main example the cabby sited was the fact he was lucky enough to live in west germany but married an eastern german from cold war times after the wall fell and her storys of growing up under soviet occupation are what made him feel blessed to have america as a friend and ally

take that to the Japanese perspective we had generals actively calling for the extinction of the japanese race during ww2("when im done with them the Japanese language will only be spoken in hell") we firebombed them and nuked them and basicly dethroned there living god(the emperor) and inspite of that they didnt hold a grudge and worked with us to take them to the 2nd most powerfull economy on the planet(up until recently)

we slagutered the indians in the name of manifest destiny and took and removed their lands and still when the call came in ww2 for code talkers to help us beat the germans and japanese they signed up in droves to fight for the people who took there land,raped their women and killed their children and still they fought with us because the alternative scared them more then we did.

then the most obvious of country's the uk we fought them for our country and led at that time the only sucessfull revoloution of a colony on its host nation.and today they are our most trusted ally

to put it more simply even our former foes fight on our side today and that is one of americas real true atvantages obtained by our large number of allied nations and bases all over the world which by default makes it very hard to declare war on just us as unless you have convinced nato, japan south korea,and any number of other allied or atleast friendly nations to stay out of the conflict you wont get very far just trying to attack us and only us

dont get me wrong were far from being saints of the globe but in the greater scheme of things were not the worst option to be an ally of compared to some other nations out there

China attacking Japan over this alone seems unlikely. However with growing tension in the ME. I feel that something closer to Israel attacking Iran, thus dragging us into the conflict happens first. Then China and Russia would come to Iran's aid (and most likely become allies of circumstance against the US and its allies). At this point I'd think it would be likely that China will use this situation as a pretext to attack Japan since they are allies with the US after all and will be likely dragged into the conflict eventually anyways. It makes sense strategically for China to preemptively attack Japan at this point. The US's forces would be spread thin already in the ME and China could make a real play at taking Japan out of the picture. In the end, I don't think this event alone will result in armed conflict, I think that after something else has already happened, this event will be used to spread the war to the East Asian front.

My post in this thread applies to this thread as well, therefore I am simply going to quote what I had posted there.

This has absolutely nothing at all to do with the disputed islands. Much like the ongoing unrest in the Moslem world which we are told is over a pathetic, laughable movie; it is about something much more. Anyone who has not read Oswald Spengler or Samuel Huntington should do so immediately. We are approaching a new era, one where a massive clash of civilizations is going to erupt. It has already begun in the West, now it is going to begin in the East. China would never fight Japan simply over islands being sold to Japan. Therefore it is deeper.

China must assert itself in the East as the energized, robust empire that is casting a shadow upon the land of the rising sun. Japan is intrinsically tied to the West, although part of a unique civilization of its own. By this I mean that as we in the Occident are finding our civilization crumbling, so too is Japan. And just as the Moslem world is exploiting this weakness in us, China is exploiting this weakness in Japan. Whether an actual war erupts or not is irrelevant in the long-term, just as a war with Iran is irrelevant in the long-term. What we are facing is something governments are sadly unaware of and the people have no comprehension of.

The world operates in cyclical patterns; civilizations rise and civilizations fall. America, Western Europe, and Japan dominated the world for centuries, not because they were evil cultures, but because they were robust cultures freed from illness. But, much like Rome and the other great empires before, all will come to an end. Now China is dominating the world and their domination will expand just as ours did during the last 5 centuries. Islam is spreading by demographics and as the old saying goes, “the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world”. Islam and China are the surging world powers as we in the West are being hauled off to the nursing home.

China has successfully used Communism just as how Turkey has successfully used Democracy; in the words of Erdogan, “Democracy is like a street car; you ride it as far as you need, until you get off.” China is now a world power with a healthy population, efficient government, bountiful resources, and a powerful tradition which they have not entirely abandoned. This alone would be enough to crush Japan; assuming no foreign intervention. However one cannot rule out a resurgence of Japan because, unlike in many Western nations, Japan has the capabilities of swiftly and effectively restoring a healthy civilization.

reply to post by jhn7537


I think your bang-on,what probably is being expressed here is that China will target Japan if USA/Israel targets Iran

Conspiracy theory!

Japan still resents America for World War 2.

China feels their model of government is superior and wants to be top dog.

The Middle Eastern nations also have the common enemy of America.


So, China and Japan stages a war that will inevitably involve America and further stretch resources, the Middle East breaks into anti-American chaos to entice the US to beef up in the region.

All coordinated to fast track the fiscal collapse of America and open the door for an Asian NWO.

Speculative, and unlikely.

this is it, china will make an asian union composing itself of japan, korea united, china, and other asian countries.

india, indonesia will form the leumerian island empire.

australia will transform into the illuminati empire

reply to post by PatrickGarrow17


My brain hurts just thinking about it..

Originally posted by Shax35

Due to a raging dispute with Japan over islands in the East China Sea, the Chinese army has heightened its military exercises on all fronts, including aerial drills by its air force in Tibet as well as by special forces. Chinese state-run CCTV has reported special operations forces from the PLA have begun an annual set of military drills which are aimed at training reconnaissance capabilities and survival skills.

Included in this article China navy is exercising to capturing islands. Looks like china is preparing its forces to engage what it is needed for it to settle the disputes for the "island claims". Specially since there's no foresight diplomatic means to settle disputes. Most of us know preparing military for a conflict for any nation is standard. But is there more to meet the eye? Like the Falklands War?

Let's keep a subtle eye on this as we can, even though the bigger picture lies in the middle east.

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The minute something big happens with Iran or any other explosive ME situation, China will strike.

Once they have them it will be very hard to get them back.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
Japan maybe one of the USA's allies, But the USA is Israel's meat shield. I don't think they would get the same support as Israel would.

Any tangible examples or are we just expressing an opinion here?

If there is a war between China and Japan it will probably to keep china quiet/busy while the USA are bombing the # out of Iran.

AND....

There you have it Folks. Somebody has somehow interjected IRAN into the topic...

Iran is dodging between support from the Chinese (they are buying oil not for pterodollars) and Russia. So attack on Iran will be a proxy attack on China. The major thing is the Chinese supplied endless loand, the US build up their military, uprooting home production to China. But the US does not always do what the Chinese tell them to do. Not alone, they are unwilling to share technology for the debt. Now who wouldn't want to attack a lender when there is no way to pay back except way you don't want if you want to remain the superpower?
If China allied itself with the US, they could bring everything under their dominion. They don't realize this do they? (To the luck of the ordinary Earth Citizen that wants no part in the neocon New World Order...