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That's pretty much all BS.
Ifyou crack a history book, and look at why labour first organised, it was because corporations CHOSE to make labourers work in dangerous conditions.
There was no government interference at all at that point, no labour laws to speak of and very marginal taxes.
State legislation 1912–1918: 36 states adopted the principle of workmen's compensation for all industrial accidents. Also: prohibition of the use of an industrial poison, several states require one day's rest in seven, the beginning of effective prohibition of night work, of maximum limits upon the length of the working day, and of minimum wage laws for women.
Dangerous working conditions,
"Employees shall have the right to organize and bargain collectively through representative of their own choosing, and shall be free from the interference, restraint, or coercion of employers."
Child labour
The National Child Labor Committee, an organization dedicated to the abolition of all child labor, was formed in 1904. By publishing information on the lives and working conditions of young workers, it helped to mobilize popular support for state-level child labor laws.
Slave labour
You say you don't think there'd be slave labour in the US?
I guess your ideology doesn't call for you to learn history?
www.independent.co.uk...
www.nytimes.com...
www.antislavery.org...
Though the scale of forced labour in US agribusiness is difficult to quantify because it is largely undetected, CIW estimates at any one time some 5 per cent of farm workers in the US are subjected to forced labour. In just the past 10 years there have been six federal prosecutions of Florida farm employers, affecting well over one thousand workers.
The majority of people affected are migrant workers from Mexico, Guatemala, and Haiti, with increasing rural poverty and political unrest driving their migration. Traffickers prey upon their vulnerability and desperation to find work, at times in their countries of origin, but in the majority of cases CIW has detected, once they have already crossed the border into the US.
You think that fewer regulation will make that go away?
Nonsense.
No regulations = slave labour
Regulations = less slave labour
Pretty basic stuff... unless you don't know history and extrapolate your beliefs from ideology.
Originally posted by TrueBlood
reply to post by longlostbrother
This may surprise you but I actually don't own many electronics. I used to own a cell phone until I learned that you can't turn the new ones off. So i stopped using cell phones. I used to watch the tv until I learned the tv could be watching me. Microwave... well, we all need to eat. But I do hate the microwaves that talk back to me. "cook popcorn" "did you say pizza" NO I SAID COOK POPCORN "cooking pizza" *microwave asplods
Seriously though, who else am I supposed to vote for? Obama signed the NDAA and Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I'm sure mr. big business there really knows what the common man has to go through on a daily basis and just can't wait to bring all those jobs back home that him and his buddies probably shipped over there to begin with. I said it before, just because I support the guy doesn't mean I agree with everything that comes out of his mouth. It's either Johnson or not vote.edit on 11-9-2012 by TrueBlood because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OccamAssassin
This has already been posted.
Apparently it was done under a work experience scheme in collaboration with their school system.
It sounds sinister but it is a practice that is used around the world.
In Year 10 at high school we all did two weeks work experience for a piddly $25 per week.
In fourth year at Uni you do 3 months industry experience for a few hundred a week.
The money was never worth it, but the industry experience was worth its weight in gold.
Originally posted by benrl
Iphones along with almost every other major consumer electronic sold in the US.
As long as Americans want cheap electronics this will continue, take a stand and actually look into where your electronics are built.
Protest with your wallet, but be prepared to not own any of the latest gadgets, consumerism at its worst.
I never said the workers' conditions at the time of the industrial revolution was slave labor, just that it was the outcome of no regulation, something Libertarians believe in, explicitly.
They believe that laws that are "forced" on workers are wrong... that includes worker protection and the minimum wage.
Workers FOUGHT (as you said) (...)
(...)for workplace safety standards and a minimum wage... owners have fought since... well basically forever, against these measures.
If you are ACTUALLY pro-worker, you're pro-minimum wage, etc.
Libertarians, at the behest of the owners, would roll back those protections... via the government.
Workers WANT protection, a working wage and job security.
Owners want to maximise profits.
You note that WORKERS never push to ship factories overseas...
You then say, well ok, there's slavery in the US, but it only affects migrant labour... but again, who hires them? US Agri-giants. US Corporations that CAN because the laws aren't enforced.
You seem to think that somehow removing the unenforced laws would in fact stop them from using slave labour... how that would happen requires Libertarians to fall back on, purely, ideology, as they have no historical precedents.
Finally, you go on and on about history, but never explain how any of it ACTUALLY justifies your believes.
Because history shows that WORKERS want the government to protect them.
Business OWNERS want to maximise profits by endangering and abusing workers.
Originally posted by Mkoll
If they didn't it would be even more expensive. Without cheap international labor the standard of living America is accustomed too would be impossible.
Originally posted by longlostbrother
Originally posted by TrueBlood
All I see is people worship Steve Jobs and this is the vulture-like cut throat business model that he used. This is how he made his billions. Slave labor. Steve Jobs was nothing more than a modern day slave master and, here's the kicker, he couldn't even donate a single cent to charity on his death bed. I don't even want to hear this "he made it himself he can do what he wants with it" because that's bull. He didn't make a dime. He used slaves to make his fortune. I hope to God he's burning in hell right now.
Go ahead and try and rid your house of things not made by slaves...
Then get off your high horse and realise Jobs simply did what every other manufacturer did.
Originally posted by Expat888
20+ hr workdays 7 days a week .. no holidays.. no sickdays.. no ot.. subhuman living conditions 25-50 people crammed into a tiny room .. insufficient sanitary facilities.. no cooking facilities... paid less than what 1 damn idiot phone sells for a month.. high suicide rate per month.. all so stupid fat lazy westerners can have the latest overhyped..overpriced idiot device... apple has the worst conditions of all companies in china .. asia to work under...edit on 10/9/12 by Expat888 because: drunken tengu causing havoc...
Originally posted by n3mesis
we all know what's going on all over the world and someone already mentioned it.. "out of sight, out of mind" we, the consumers, are the solitary reason these slave/sweat shops even exist. the answer is extremely simple and if you have to ask you're in denial more than you realize. this angers me more than most issues because children are involved and i also feel like a hypocrite sitting here on my pc because i'm sure a lot if not everything i have and use on a daily basis has something to do with this problem.
If they didn't it would be even more expensive. Without cheap international labor the standard of living America is accustomed too would be impossible.
Originally posted by Vandettas
Originally posted by Expat888
20+ hr workdays 7 days a week .. no holidays.. no sickdays.. no ot.. subhuman living conditions 25-50 people crammed into a tiny room .. insufficient sanitary facilities.. no cooking facilities... paid less than what 1 damn idiot phone sells for a month.. high suicide rate per month.. all so stupid fat lazy westerners can have the latest overhyped..overpriced idiot device... apple has the worst conditions of all companies in china .. asia to work under...edit on 10/9/12 by Expat888 because: drunken tengu causing havoc...
Source?