Crop Circles: an analysis in the Snow.

reply to post by PhoenixOD

So, can we perhaps start to look at crop circles from the perspective of mother nature having a hand in all of this and attempting to communicate with us either on her own or with some assistance?......My 8 aforementioned points above regarding the aspect of crop circles that keep me in awe has led me to broaden the scope of my search for answers.

So before you get your flame thrower out lets address the following facts about mother natures recent, ongoing and amplified terrestrial and cosmic activities - we rape her, she punishes us and ignoring the spiritual aspect of humanity here is to ignore countless testimonies since recorded history:
1. Whales and dolphins beaching themselves.
2. Unbelievable "super storms".
3. Earthquakes.
4. A spike in Volcanic activity.
5. Solar Flares
6. Tsunamis.

and is this related.......
1. People from all over the world having strange apocalyptic dreams - including children.
2. People from all over the world seeing 11:11 and other patterns in numerology.
Or do the above examples have explanations based in history, geology and psychology?

Either way, how mother nature weighs in on all of this, if at all, is what I am researching ATM.......hopefully some of ATS's finest can shed some further light as to this possibility either through personal testimony or other in this regard.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is the theme of my post - now address these 6 points and the 2 below them with your next response or remove yourself from this thread. Your previous prompt responses verify that you have not even bothered to look at the links I have provided to answer your questions you keep asking - your attempt to derail this thread from its intended discussion will not succeed - you are in the wrong thread - I will not debate the old things anymore - my stance is clear both here and in those ATS links I have provided.

Also, I am acutely aware of what you have been doing in the last hour or so............so its your "twisted logic" that is causing you to re-edit your posts to suit my answers.......fool me for not copying the originals for my records. Editing to add derogatory comments such as "twisted logic" are unbecoming of any ATS member and should result in an alert to the Mods............do I make myself clear?

Excellent thread you have created here. I have been thinking about alternate ways that crop circles could be created excluding the two "main" theories which are UFO/Alien/Orbs of light(alien in nature), or man-made crop circles.

There are a lot of questions regarding this (relatively) new way of thinking regarding in how crop circles are formed. A lot more questions started to stem up when I thought more about this and how it all fits in to the bigger picture.

1) Is there enough evidence to show that the crop-circles are mainly created on "ley-lines" across the planet?

If so then it would mean they could be created by some type of energy that traverses the planet. What could manipulate this energy? Solar winds? Flares? Would it be locally related (Earth only) and in what way? Would the increase in human population have some adverse energetic effect on these energy lines or grids?

Human population effecting energy "grids":
Seeing that the toroid theory could fit around many things, would that also represent a human magnetic field that surrounds each person? Could a large amount of people, with their "fields" have an adverse effect on the balance of nature in itself? Maybe intentions and consciousness come into play as well here.

2) What about this microwaving effect that "genuine" circles have?
If these are created spontaneously through some form of adverse energetic fields, would this also affect humans if they happened to be in a location where a circle was being created at the time. Would it fry the water in a human body?

Taking this point of view gives me the opinion that the circles are very nature related. We probably just don't know enough about how intertwined nature is with the invisible (magnetic fields, other frequencies). Maybe we do know but just have not studied it enough in this point of view. We know about how plants grow, how magnetic fields look like and how they interact with other materials, but have we studied anything about how ley-lines or energy grids could affect plants/other materials that could form a shape depending on the frequency.

I feel like I've gone a bit off track here, but this video shows how shapes can be created through certain sound frequencies. Maybe something similar is happening for these circles to be created but instead of sound... it could be something else

reply to post by Sublimecraft


The idea that i either agree with your ideas or you are vindicated in misquoting me IS "twisted logic".

its a sentence i thought i had put in but missed in the cut and paste so i added it back.

I stand by what i say.

Twisted logic is not a derogatory comment its is by definition

to use false logic

which is what you did.

Hey Op I found this thread a unique and fascinating
idea as to what these patterns/messages may be.

The idea of cymatic messages from an intelligent
Earth isn't any more far fetched than 90%
of the other offerings given on ATS that point
to CC not being man made.

Great job.
S and F

Originally posted by Sublimecraft

The beach circles are still an historical anomaly - no one ever came forward to debunk them and the QLD UFO research team did extensive research on them which again showed microwave radiation spikes and unusual "glassing" of the sand - not the work of kids I'm afraid.

So a UFO group studied it and they found evidence for it not being man made would have been shocked if they hadn't

Oh by the way!

Natural glasses
Several inorganic glasses are found in nature. These include obsidians (volcanic glasses), fulgarites (formed by lightning strikes), tektites found on land in Australasia and associated microtektites from the bottom of the Indian Ocean, moldavites from central Europe, and Libyan Desert glass from western Egypt. Owing to their extremely high chemical durability under the sea, microtektite...

Sand circles

this is a very thought provoking approach to to the question of crop circles, S&F!
i may as well state from the outset that i dont feel that CC's are ET in origin and lean very much toward human causes, but looking at them as an expression of natural law/geometry from the earth itself (along the lines of snowflakes, patterns from sound/vibrations etc) is fascinating and worthy of genuine consideration... after all, many similar patterns and expressions of such exist throughout nature if one cares to look - i have a bit of anthro/goethean/biodynamic ed in my background and have been told of and since observed many analogous connections and occurrences within the natural world.
i still feel that these patterns being generated without human assistance is highly unlikely, however. That being said, i do feel that there is quite possibly a loose grouping of like minded folk who are trying to get a message out via CCs, possibly trying to provoke some kind of spiritual awakening in others, tapping what they see as earth energies, or sending a message out to ETs etc via the use of mathematical/geometric formula etc at places that they see as powerful. perhaps the mysterious elements that we still cannot explain (eg altered/damaged nodes, strange EM/whatever phenomena, ufo sightings etc etc) are a result of the energies created by their works.. any thoughts on this possibility?

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Thank you for your comments and I do think sound vibrations, frequencies, Ley lines and human consciousness and their interaction with the Earths magnetic field warrants further attention and some pretty heavy hitters in the field of science have come out in support of these theories - dismissing the "man-made" hypothesis due to ignoring the facts and being unable to reproduce data under controlled conditions............

Crop circles are usually explained as the handiwork of creative pranksters. `Not true,' says Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, Ph.D., former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratories. `The complexity of the crop circle phenomenon is tremendously underestimated, because its true nature is unknown to the general public.' `Obviously, there are people trying to imitate the real thing, but the suggestion that all of these crop formations are made by men with simple flattening tools is by far insufficient to explain the well-documented observations, like unambiguous and consistent biophysical anomalies in the flattened plants, inside the circles, all of which have been published in peer-reviewed scientific literature,' according to Dr. Haselhoff.

SOUND & FREQUENCY PROPERTIES REGARDING CROP CIRCLES

Sound: Research by Dr. Hans Jennings into the effect of sound demonstrates that sound vibrates matter into reproducible geometric patterns. As energy is added into the matrix via sound, different geometries form to constrain the energy. As the frequency changes, the geometries change.......
• Dr. Gerald Hawkins (deceased) analyzed crop patterns and determined that many of them displayed diatonic ratios in their geometries. In essence he demonstrated that crop circles have a relationship to sound frequency, as predicted by the work of Jennings.
Frequency: Every substance and energy has a specific frequency signature. Mind states, specific thoughts and emotions all display signature frequencies. Mapping frequency signatures has been in development by many people and agencies including the Royal Rife Society, Dr. Hulda Clark, New Vistas, Stan Tennon, Dan Winter, Bill Nelson and more. Augmenting frequencies that relate to improved health or disrupting frequencies that relate to poor health are thought to produce beneficial effects. Some of the effects of crop circles maybe related to the frequency they emit.
•The frequency of crop circles can be imprinted on people in two basic ways. They can be imprinted into the person’s subtle energy field through direct exposure, or they can be imprinted through a carrier substance such as water, a picture, electricity, microwaves, etc.
• Examples of the effect of frequency on physical manifestation are demonstrated in the research of Masaro Emoto and revealed in his book, Messages from Water. In his book Dr. Emoto shows the different crystal structures that form in response to different thoughts and emotions.

LEY LINES & CROP CIRCLES

Ley Lines: Alfred Watson discovered in the 1920’s that the landscape was grided with crisscrossing lines that connected ancient sacred sites & he named these ley lines and they are now believed to be pathways of earth energy.
Dr. Bruce Cathie has conducted scientific research into harmonic mathematics over the past 50 years. He has mapped out an energy grid covering the entire planet. Specific areas on this grid are convergence points for many energy lines and demonstrate higher amplitudes of electromagnetic and subtle energy. England is one of 12 main convergence points on the planet. Not surprisingly, England has a large preponderance of ancient megalithic sacred sites and exhibits 90% of the crop circle phenomenon worldwide. In addition, a predominant number of crop formations appear in the landscape

HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS & CROP CIRCLES

Claims of healing and altered states of consciousness relating to crop circles are pervasive. People visiting formations report curative experiences including rapid healing of injuries, improvement in chronic conditions, and an increased sense of well-being and euphoria.
The Institute for Resonance Therapy (I.R.T.) in Germany conducted controlled research studies into the effects of crop circles on the health of plants and eco-systems with extremely positive result.

Colin Andrews

So, it appears that the hidden esoteric properties related to the crop circle phenomena are gaining significant credibility in mainstream scientific research - I have found a number of scientific based websites who have weighed-in on this and will post shortly with pics etc

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Well lets have a look at sound & frequency

With regards to sound what vibrates the crops, the soil or the air and how would it be constrained?

Why would pictures like this appear if its something natural as you think?


As for Dr Emoto

Do you even do any research into these people?
Or is it simply because what he says reinforces your belief you accept it without question?

Dr Emoto (lol)

According to an interview with John Woodhouse published in the Maui News, Emoto stated, “I did not start out with any modern scientific background. I did not even know the limit of science to stop me from giving this research a chance.” This statement alone is enough to dub Emoto as a pseudo scientist.

Emoto indicated that his water samples were frozen at 25°C, and his crystals were formed at -5°C. According to the morphology diagram of ice crystal formation (Libbrecht), column crystals should be formed instead of plate crystals, yet none of Emoto’s pictures show a column crystal. Could Emoto have fabricated his findings? Let’s put it this way – he has no supportive data to back his claims.

Emoto has mentioned that in every test he would photograph 100 Petri dish samples, yet only one of each test was provided to the public. What if the other 99 went against his hypothesis? He has successfully prevented the media from uncovering the photos which did not support his research.
There was a lack of blind and double-blind procedures in Emoto’s experiments

reply to post by wmd_2008


You.............

Well lets have a look at sound & frequency With regards to sound what vibrates the crops, the soil or the air and how would it be constrained? Why would pictures like this appear if its something natural as you think? As for Dr Emoto Do you even do any research into these people? Or is it simply because what he says reinforces your belief you accept it without question?

Me..............

Either way, how mother nature weighs in on all of this, if at all, is what I am researching ATM.......hopefully some of ATS's finest can shed some further light as to this possibility either through personal testimony or other in this regard.

I accept nothing without question and I have no firm belief on this subject - hence the reason for this thread.

It is a call to seek answers from ATS's finest. A few of them have responded and I am still researching this hypothesis.

Your presumption "Or is it simply because what he says reinforces your belief you accept it without question?" is baseless and clearly you cannot support that comment with anything I have said - because I simply do not have a firm belief, but unlike you, I am open to all possibilities on this subject until I deem it appropriate to discard / retain certain knowledge.

Your latest post simply further reinforces my opinion of you so once again please desist from posting here - nothing you or I say will convince either of us to change our beliefs on this subject.

Any further response from you will henceforth be ignored by myself.

ETA: Thank-you for your thorough research into a Blog by "William" regarding this Doctor - obviously it changes nothing in regards to my ongoing analysis - I will draw my own conclusions upon proper verification of those claims you are hanging your hat on.

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i see what you mean about Emoto

Emoto's ideas appeared in the popular documentary "What the Bleep Do We Know!?". Like the film, Emoto's work is widely considered pseudoscience by professionals, and he is criticized for going directly to the public with misleading claims that violate basic physics, based on methods that fail to properly investigate the truth of the claims.

In the day-to-day work of his group, the creativity of the photographers rather than the rigor of the experiment is an explicit policy. Emoto freely acknowledges that he is not a scientist, and that photographers are instructed to select the most pleasing photographs.

In 2003, James Randi publicly offered Emoto one million dollars if his results can be reproduced in a double-blind study

In 2005, Kristopher Setchfield (a graduate of Castleton State College in Vermont with a BA in Health Science) published a paper that analyzed deeper motives regarding Emoto's study. In his paper, Setchfield writes,

Unfortunately for his credibility with the scientific community, Dr. Emoto sells products based on his claims. For example, the products page of Emoto's Hado website is currently offering "geometrically perfect" "Indigo water" that is "highly charged hexagonally structured concentrate," and supposedly creates "structured water" that is "more easily assimilated at the cellular level" for $35 for an eight-ounce bottle. Without providing scientific research references for the allegedly amazing qualities of his Indigo Water, Emoto's commercial venture calls to mind ethical concerns regarding his intent and motivation—questions that would not be present if any scientist had published research supporting his claims

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I don't feel like people of Earth are alone. It is that same feeling you get when you walk into a room and feel someone is hiding behind the door or in the closet. I think if people were creating these crop circles, and someone pointed out the snow artist spends ten hours in broad daylight creating his designs, dogs would bark hysterically and give the people's actions away. At least my dogs might. I believe the circles are 1/3 are people created, 1/3 aliens, 1/3 God. Then there is the possibility of satellite technology at work. I noticed the snow artists designs all feel thematically like they were similar and are very soft in texture and design. The serious crop circles feel sharp and harsh. Also the crop circles deal with solar system issues, social issues, religious and mythological issues. The snow artist was just creating pretty pictures. Who ever is designing these crop circles spends alot of effort and planning into the design, meaning, timing, and locations...