Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

reply to post by NoJoker13


Again with your generalisations. Most people are also unique, and cannot be pigeon holed the way you are doing, without leaving the examiner at a total loss to make intelligent comment on thier psychological make up and likely attitudes toward things.

I would have thought the Arab Spring events would have taught us that we cannot easily predict the ways people truely feel, religiously and politically, about the things that happen in thier lives, and in thier nations governments. Your grasp of the Muslim mindset is shallow, and leaves no room for the many and varied schools of thought that operate within it. Frankly, if all you can do is justify one generalisation with another, then you will fail to be able to participate in a proper examination of the facts of this issue, caught up as you will be with your error strewn assumptions.

Oh, my....

7 pages of denial.

We have many Canadian members who are in denial that their Government [Like the US, Israel and Iran and every other country on the planet] are responsible for their own actions. They've sidestepped and blamed Washington and Israel and of course we have the usual Iranian supporters here who will blame [Whom?] I'll give you two guesses...

I can't even fathom how anyone thinks that Steven Harper can make any decisions at all!! He is and has been US spoon fed every day of his life. He commits high treason almost daily. Here's your Harper.
1.35 a litre this morning for gas. The second largest country in the world with the lowest population density, for a country of this size, with an abundance of resources, like no other nation on the planet, Yet we have to pay 1.35 a litre and that's for garbage gasoline. Safety of our diplomats!!! What a crock of #!! This government shut off the radiation monitoring August 2011 for Fukushima fallout.August 2012 measurements,one year after they shut off the monitoring.What does the manual state for acceptable levels .40 mcSv /h and if you see 1.2 mcSv/hr it is not recommended to absorb those levels, never !@#$%^mind 4.30 mcSv/hr as measured! I have measurements for the whole year. Get your head outta the government's ass and make your own decisions! latest tests Sept 7th Does the machine say dangerous radiation levels?? Sure lets have a nuclear party with Iran and Israel and piss some more radiation into the atmosphere. WE have enough plutonium resting in our testicles for the next 20,000 years already. Thankx for making decisions for us Mr Harper! Sept 8th

Just a question to all of you out there, how does this effect any of you? or your lifes so far?

I mean common, it's a bunch of boogey man bs, i have said it so many times before and no one ever had an answer for me, US has nucclear weapons and so do other countries, they test them, and used them (you all know who that was ), why is there no other country, for example IRAN or IRAQ in USA telling them that they cannot have weapons of mass destruction? and they are here to destroy terrorist groups such as CIA (since that is what they literally are), and why is it not acceptable, but vise versa is?

Canada leaving IRAN is awesome in my oppinion even though it has absolutely no effect on me or my life whats so ever, nore do the politicians you people elect.

They have no buisness in someone else's country and their culture.

reply to post by tothetenthpower

The only vested interest I have is a better Canada and a better world. Honestly, I can't believe you've already resorted to attacking my character! The conversation has just started, no?

Originally posted by fenceSitter
reply to post by palg1

 

I don't think everyone at the UN agrees and although the concept of the UN is ideal, I have less and less faith in them as time goes on. The western nations have more pull than any other represented country. If the UN is supposed to be a true representation of the member states, then all member states should be represented equally.

So what exactly has you so convinced that a preemptive war against Iran is the best way forward? You seem to label Iran as the bad guys yet you are the one calling for war. I don't mean to make assumptions but I don't understand your position - please enlighten me.

Did I ever say we needed to go to war? Stop putting words in my mouth! I am definetly in favour of the move out of Iran as it sends a very clear message to their governemnt that we will no longer put up with their double talk and threats. Why should we squander our diplomatic ressources this way? Do you actually believe Iran will negotiate honestly at any point in the future knowing that they haven't done so at any time since the overthrough of the Shaw? Have they at any time listened to Canada or the world in regards to internatioanl security, human rights or whatever issues are brought to the table? Regardless of the political party in power here, my opinion would remain unchanged until I see Iran making "real" change. Their position as far as I can see is indefensible.

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by Wide-Eyes

 

Blowing up a nuclear facility would indeed cause widespread radioactive contamination, especially if a reactor was damaged. Chernobyl and Fukushima are testament to that.

There is only one way to avoid that, imo, and that would be a ground assault with troops cutting the facilities off from Iranian control. If there's to be a war, it needs to be quick, professional and decisive. Maybe that is why the west has been slow in actually going ahead with the operation, while telling Israel to back off with its threats.

I hope that if war does kick off then it's as clinical as you describe but I won't be holding my breath. America and Israel are very sloppy when it comes to hitting valid targets...

reply to post by palg1


This is all off the top of my head - no links and pundit BS.

First of all, when the fight begins, as it inevitably will, the first reaction by the UN will be to discuss options of controlling the blowback to Israel and Syria, because that is also an unavoidable consequence when the Israeli attack commences. An air attack on Iran's nuclear facilities will not go unanswered. One can count on that.

If European and American forces are to get involved at all, it will be as a coalition and Canada will want to be a part of that. That means going through emergency measures at the UN, which, although castigated by many, is still the best way forward without individual nations directly declaring war on Iran. It'll be to stand between the two in an attempt to forestall a ground war while placating China and Russia.

The upshot, though, will be Canadian involvement in a very dicey situation.

Now, back to the present Embassy flap. The government has been pulling non-essential personnel out of the embassy for some time now, the most telling being the Immigration Department, so it's no surprise that this final step has been taken in light of the recent assault on the British Embassy. All the talking heads on CBC getting steamed up calling this an unexpected move really are out of touch. Of course it was expected, considering our newly tied affiliations with the UK and Israel, both of which are a little more than ticked off at the antics of the Iranian clerics and politicians.

There is, however, a huge difference between Iranian officialdom and the Iranian populace (both there and in Canada) and the signal the closing means to that part of the equation may just be more significant than what has been considered in the move. In Iran, the populace may not be so eager to demonstrate against the government as they have in the past, at great risk to life and limb. Living within Canada itself, there are at least 150,000 Iranians. This will also have an effect in that they will not take kindly to being cut off from their country of origin and relatives who still live there by the closure of the embassy. I can see future demonstrations swelled by Canadians rallying to their cause.

Repercussions should be expected.

So far, only three nations have closed their embassies in Iran... the US in the 80's hostage crisis, the UK after the recent attack and now Canada for 'precautionary measures'. Whether this becomes a domino effect with other countries following suit remains to be seen, doesn't it?

reply to post by masqua

Repercussions should be expected.

Agree! What we have here is a slow but sure escalation. Tensions are rising, talks are dismissed and a scent of war is almost palpable.

As I said in a previous post, the pawns are slowly being placed across the board. The Harper government has given Israel an unconditional support, way before last weekend when they decided to pull out.

Here is an interesting article about repercussions:

Is Canada’s closure of its Tehran embassy a precursor to an attack on Iran?

The impact to Canada if Israel attacks Iran:

Gas prices would soar

An Israeli attack on Iran will inevitably lead to a retaliation.

An Israeli attack against Iran would likely spur a new wave of international terrorism.

Came election time, we gave Harper a majority.

Now this Bush wannabee is taking decisions - that do not reflect how every Canadian feels - that engenders a very dangerous future for all Canadians, at home and abroad.

Under the cloak of "precautionary measures"...

Sure.

I'm not buying it !

Not how every Canadian feels, but it represents a growing majority of how Canadians feel.

I also approve of Harper's new push against illegal immigration....over 3100 fraudulent Canadians are going to get shipped out....now we can go after then tens of thousands of illegals. Then perhaps we can can the hundreds of thousands of "Canadians" that don't even live in the country (like 300k in Hong Kong and 42k that live in Lebanon)

Now I know some of you are crying that Harper is a globalist, and in come instances I can see it, but he is infinitely more qualified then the other clowns that are running against him.

silly canadians. sucking up to the nwo.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Oh, my....

7 pages of denial.

We have many Canadian members who are in denial that their Government [Like the US, Israel and Iran and every other country on the planet] are responsible for their own actions. They've sidestepped and blamed Washington and Israel and of course we have the usual Iranian supporters here who will blame [Whom?] I'll give you two guesses...

Oh please. I've seen plenty of Canadians on this thread express disappointment *in OUR government*(myself included). Get off your high horse mr. my country might vote Mitt effing Romney (!?) into power.

That clown wouldn't make it into a political party in my country. Please don't condescend to me with your superiority. Your comment really rubs me the wrong way, no offense. Don't like the generalizing, coming from a person who probably can't even name the leaders of our opposition parties without a google search.

Not trying to be argumentative Slayer, just touchy i guess. I'm certainly not blaming any other country, Mr. Harper dropped the ball on this one, or there is more in the works then we're lead to believe. In any case, as i say, disappointed with this for sure.

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by palg1

 

Now, back to the present Embassy flap. The government has been pulling non-essential personnel out of the embassy for some time now, the most telling being the Immigration Department, so it's no surprise that this final step has been taken in light of the recent assault on the British Embassy. All the talking heads on CBC getting steamed up calling this an unexpected move really are out of touch. Of course it was expected, considering our newly tied affiliations with the UK and Israel, both of which are a little more than ticked off at the antics of the Iranian clerics and politicians.

There is, however, a huge difference between Iranian officialdom and the Iranian populace (both there and in Canada) and the signal the closing means to that part of the equation may just be more significant than what has been considered in the move. In Iran, the populace may not be so eager to demonstrate against the government as they have in the past, at great risk to life and limb. Living within Canada itself, there are at least 150,000 Iranians. This will also have an effect in that they will not take kindly to being cut off from their country of origin and relatives who still live there by the closure of the embassy. I can see future demonstrations swelled by Canadians rallying to their cause.

edit on 10/9/12 by masqua because: sp

I have no issues with any of your comments. They all seem correct to me. Just one thing to add though...
Yesturday the Canadian Iranian Association gave a celebratory afternoon thank you celebration in front of the Cdn Foreign Affairs building in Ottawa. On the news they all seemed quite pleased with the decision to close the embassy in Iran. I'll look up the link and add it later.


www.vancouversun.com... IranianCanadian+demonstrators+wave+thankyou+placards+Harper/7219775/story.html

Looks like Canada, once again, took prevemtive action


Embassies in Yemen, Iran, Eygpt, Tunisia are being attacked.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


It could be just that simple. Yet, the simpltons/iranian-Canadians are crying. I do suspect there's a bit more to it, otherwise why boot the Iranian embassy crowd out when closing yours in Iran would have sufficed.

This is a bit unprecedented by Canada and says there's more to this than meets the eye. Using Canadian-Iranians to attack the US? Locations in Canada? The usual Anti-US and anti-Israeli crowd and speculating like crazy, how about it's Iran who's making the preparations...

I do not support war in Iran. I do not support Stephen Harper and his conservative cronies in the least bit. I have just read 7 pages of pro-Harper/ anti-Harper ranting and I feel a little angry. I can only hope that closing the doors of the embassies and removing diplomats is as far as our government involves themselves in this middle-eastern fiasco. If not, then its time for us to all march parliament and demand they stop sacrificing our military in this never-ending game. Enough is Enough.

Originally posted by mindpurge

Originally posted by Ben81

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
God damn Stephen Harper and his globalist scum bag agenda.

War mongering.

That man needs to be removed from the helm of government. He's turning my country into something I hardly recognize anymore.

Sickening.

~Tenth

Couldnt agree more with you

but they dont have Quebec anymore
we choose Pauline Marois to go away from Harper regime

Wow... Just Wow...

I'm 100% right wing, I believe in family fundamentals, I believe in the right to train and bare arms...

But your absolutely IDIOTIC comment I cannot take.

Name me 1 single Canadian Party that cares MORE about Canada than the Conservatives. Not the Liberals... Not the NDP, and DEFINITELY not the Bloc...

You are ill informed my friend, you watch too much Socialist TV, you believe everything tidbit of garbage they feed you...

You are #ing pathetic.

I'm a Québecois, and I'm damn proud of my Anti-NWO Governement and my Country.

If war is inevitable in Iran... WHY would we keep our citizens there? Sacrifice them? According to your mentality we should... but you're a #ing idiot.

Are you kidding me? You call these guys idiots when all your do is come out name calling, saying the conservatives care the most about Canada and you back up your claims with..oh that's right you have nothing to back up your claims. Please go act like a child elsewhere and keep your ignorance to yourself.

reply to post by salmoneggs


OK, now that all have vented a bit and are now likely to be more receptive to logic, I'd like to point out a couple of areas that need airing. First, This move by Canada,(not "Harper" per se, as I hear no real opposition from the other side of the aisle), is unprecedented. Canada doesn't historically make these kind of moves. Even during the Iran Hostage crisis, Canada didn't expell anyone that I can recall.

Second, there are two parts to this, first is closing their embassy in Iran. A prudent move to protect their people as more than just the US embassies are being attacked in Iran. I applaud the move and think more countries should do the same, not only to protect their people but lessen the local gov't's ability to do business with the rest of the world until they protect ALL embassies.

The second part is the expulsion of the Iranian diplomats. (I'm guessing here) There are over 150,000 Iranian immigrants/political asylum types in Canada. Some, Hesbollah members, likely directed by the embassy both within Canada and via Canada to the US. This is prudent, not politically correct. Again I applaud this action.

It is also "likely" than as Iran is very heavily controlled, the attacks on embassies in Iran are directed by or at least ignored by their Gov't. They may or may not have proof. it doesn't really matter. Prudence, my friends.
As far as the old puppet templat is concerned. i'd like to point out that Canada snubbed the US re the second Iraq war, much to the irritation of the US and does not walk in lockstep with them.

There is much more in common between the two countries than not, and as a result, do many things togeather that is in agreement.

This is also a proactive move, not the usual "follow the US's footsteps" again unusual.

I suspect,I have no evidence, that something was being planned by Iran was found out about that was about to come down and Canada is pissed!!

First, it's the evil US, now the evil Canadian's (or "ignorant" as only the naysayers have access to the net) Evil euroes, now even the finest tool for the middle-east, the U.N. and their sanctions are "evil".

Canada doesn't make moves like this to appease anybody. Wake up!

reply to post by nwtrucker


Thank you pointing out what's only obvious to people who are able to think critically. I suspect the neh-sayers will either bash your comments with irrelevent islami-appologetics, Harper-hate jibber-jabber or simply ignore them altogether.