Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

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Originally posted by fenceSitter
reply to post by olliemc84

 

Well if Iran is developing nuclear weapons and Israel/US/NATO/UN etc. have solid proof then they should disclose it to the world. Any attack on Iran is going to impact ALL of us, all around the world. We 'elect' these politicians to represent our 'democracy' but they ignore the desire of the people they represent when it doesn't reflect their own agendas.

Prove to me they are developing nuclear weapons and prove to me they are planning to use them and I'll support a preemptive strike. Until then, Iran is their own country and what they do within their own borders is their own business. Iran has never started a war and they are smart enough to know they will get exterminated if they do. Does anyone think they risk their own existence by nuking Israel? I get real tired of all these games and propaganda.

I'd like to see this too...put the proof out like in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

HOWEVER; that's like telling the drug dealer the warrent is going to be served next week. Any and all evidance will be removed.

But more importantly.........even if we show "proof" I don't think Iran would back down or change their tune. But showing said proof would give Iran the opprotunity to go to full alert, spoiling any tactical surprise. Strategic Surprise is pretty much lost, but there is still a chance to acheive a certain level of tactical surprise.

Expelling diplomats and closing your Embassy is about as tell tale sign you can get that conflict is coming. Possibly even eminent. That's like straight out of the summer of 1939.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by palg1

 

I really really fear for my fellow man when the average Canadian is so ill-informed that they can actually support Harper and his tyranny.

Please tell me one good thing he's done.

Actually dont' bother. I suspect you have some vested interest in agreeing with Harper.

Either way, you aren't being honest with yourself.

~Tenth

I don't think that the statement made about Harper was serious.

I think is was meant to be taken sarcastically.

Originally posted by olliemc84
Are you asking ME for proof or the IAEA/UN/NATO/CIA/Mossad. As far as I am concerned I am entitled to my opinion just like you have an opinion that they are no where near developing a weapon.

And as far as the nations accusing Iran of have nukes disclosing their findings...why should they? If they have knowledge they are probably just playing their cards until it is beneficial for THEM to strike. If you seriously think that TPTB actually give a # about us then your need to wake up and smell the roses.

I'm not asking anything of you and of course you are entitled to your own opinion. I'm sorry if my post conveyed otherwise.

Why should they disclose info? It is called humanity. I know they don't give a damn about us but the fact is they should. Many of us just accept the way things are, complain about them (again not directing that at you personally) and accept that everything will continue moving forward that way - like it or not. I prefer to look at the root causes of the issues and address them. If that means taking steps backwards then so be it.

If we want to overt war then we don't need to try and change Iran, we need to change our own leadership. Of course that sounds far fetched since the federals systems are so well established and protected. I think at the very least, if war breaks out in Iran, a referendum should be called to see if Canada's involvement is really in the population's best interest.

reply to post by fenceSitter

Does anyone think they risk their own existence by nuking Israel?

You have heard of the Islamic radical suicide bombers, right?

Same thing, but on a national scale.

Ahmadenijad could care less about his people. If he orders a nuclear strike on Jerusalem, it will be HIM that will be always remembered for annihilating the Zionists in Israel. He will be a martyr for all he did for his brethren.

As I have said on many a thread. Iran with Nuclear power, makes them a formidable energy super power, with Bushehr running at full 1000mw capacity, that said they can source more of the oil they use for powering there cities back onto the global market thus increasing output. At the same time with higher enrichment they can enter into the nuclear fuel market thus supplying other nations with fuel rods to power there facilities. They as well have research based reactor for the sole purpose of producing nuclear Isotopes, which is a great thing since Chalk River here in Canada can't function properly enough to sustain a full supply.

As well as I have mentioned if Iran was to so much as throw stones across their border they would have untold consequences. Their leaders all though bats### crazy sometimes I'm sure are not going to usher in there nations complete destruction over the rhetoric BiBi screams from the hill tops.

Us expelling there diplomats from Canada and us removing ours is just another step towards appeasing those who wish for world peace top never come about, and the destruction of anyone who threatens the global hedgemony that we live under. Never once unless poorly translated and run amuk by the media have they made as direct threats as the Isreali's utter everyday, on the hour. Yet people still run with a briefcase full of lies daily to try and justify action.

Pretty sad how many people can sit back with baseless lies from people with one set agenda and say thay are using facts to facilitate a strike.....fools in my opinion.

SaneThinking

Important bits of the article that weren't mentioned yet:

Speaking to reporters in Russia, where he's attending the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-Operation summit, Baird said the government is formally listing Iran today as a state sponsor of terrorism under the Justice for Victims of Terrorism Act. That will theoretically allow Canadians affected by terrorism supported by the Iranian regime to sue.

"Iran is among the world's worst violators of human rights. It shelters and materially supports terrorist groups," Baird said.

"Unequivocally, we have no information about a military strike on Iran," he added.

I think this is rather important to mention, don't you think?

People are already associating this article with a possible attack in Iran, while in the same statement, it is mentioned that they - the Canadian Government - don't have any information relating to an attack in Iran.

This seems to be more about the fact that Iran supplies and finances - what are considered by most western nations - terrorist groups.

The article then explains the background for this measure:

The statement also makes reference to Iran's "blatant disregard" of the Vienna Convention that guarantees the protection of diplomatic personnel.

Last November, Iranian students stormed the British Embassy in Tehran and ransacked its offices. Britain's foreign office summoned an Iranian diplomat in London, amid complaints that Iran failed to provide proper security to the embassy and didn't do enough in response to the attack.

The Vienna Convention they speak of is from the 70's - I think - and it portrays the "do's and dont's" of international diplomacy and representation.

Activists called for embassy closure

Iran hasn't had a full ambassador in Canada since 2007, following a breakdown in relations after Iranian-Canadian photographer Zahra Kazemi was tortured and killed there in 2003.

The calls were sparked by a news report that said Iran's cultural counsellor in Ottawa, Hamid Mohammadi, suggested Iranian expatriates should be nurtured to be of service to Iran.

Baird issued a warning on July 13, saying the Iranian government has no right to interfere with Canadians who left Iran to build a better life.

"Obviously we're concerned by some of the reports that we've heard," Baird said.

"It is completely inconsistent with any diplomatic mission for the Iranian mission in Ottawa to interfere in the liberties that [Iranian-Canadians] enjoy in Canada. Any police organization will certainly take a look at any serious allegations that are raised in terms of their conduct.

I'm making an honest question with this:

Isn't this attitude from the Canadian Gov a good thing? They are stepping forward to protect those who choose to live in Canada, and want to leave peacefully.

But, I still have to say, it does seem a bit irresponsible to block any communication lines with a country.

Originally posted by olliemc84
reply to post by fenceSitter

 

Does anyone think they risk their own existence by nuking Israel?

You have heard of the Islamic radical suicide bombers, right?

Same thing, but on a national scale.

Ahmadenijad could care less about his people. If he orders a nuclear strike on Jerusalem, it will be HIM that will be always remembered for annihilating the Zionists in Israel. He will be a martyr for all he did for his brethren.

It much more complex than just Israel. It is unlikely the two would start lobbing nukes at each otther the real problem is when they decide that they want to settle up with GCC. They have threatened to fire missles at their population centers to get what they want but, with the US backing them they have not been that worried about it. Now what they would be worried about is Iran making the same threats and demands backed with nukes. Would the US be willing to risk a nuclear exchange with Iran over to defend Arab allies? Nobody really knows. So the GCC will go nuclear as well. When that happens Egypt will most likely follow. At that point could Iraq and Syria (with whomever is in charge) afford not to follow. And so it would spread. The problem with Iran is they have caused so much trouble in the region nobody trusts them.

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

The article has been updated since the original post. The statements regarding...

"Unequivocally, we have no information about a military strike on Iran,"

"It is completely inconsistent with any diplomatic mission for the Iranian mission in Ottawa to interfere in the liberties that [Iranian-Canadians] enjoy in Canada.

...were not part of the original article.

I don't put in any merit into his statement about a military strike. Whether he knows about plans or knows there are no plans, he'd be obligated to say the same thing. Can you imagine if he stated anything even remotely close to the possibility of a strike? It would be on every news outlet worldwide, the markets would go haywire and he'd be relieved of his post in a heartbeat. The only confirmation of a military strike we'll see will be from the rooftop cameras CNN somehow smuggled into the country.

I do agree that Iran should not interfere with Iranians living in Canada. Of course that needs to work both ways. I wonder if any Canadians living in Iran have ever been approached by CSIS? Just a thought.

Gotta love Netanyahu piping in...

"The determination which Canada demonstrates is extremely important so that the Iranians understand that they cannot continue in their race to achieve nuclear weapons. This practical step must serve as an example to the international community [as regards to] moral standards and international responsibility," Netanyahu said.

Anytime he speaks, he presents Iranian pursuit for nuclear weapons as fact. The more this is published in MSM the more people will absorb it and believe it.

Former diplomat Ken Taylor, who served as Canada's ambassador in Tehran during the 1979 Iranian revolution, says having a presence on the ground in a country is important. If the country's government won't interact, he said, there's still intelligence to gather.

I think he makes a good point. Eliminating an embassy altogether hinders your ability to gather information even if the two countries aren't talking directly.

"Obviously, though, the Canadian government is sending a message. Whether or not this is the best means to send a message is of course up to the government's cabinet.

"It's more than just a practical or technical severance of the relationship," he said.

I don't know anything about Ken Taylor but if he was in Iran during the revolution, maybe they should've kept the embassy open and reinstate his position.

reply to post by fenceSitter

The article has been updated since the original post. The statements regarding...

"Unequivocally, we have no information about a military strike on Iran,"

"It is completely inconsistent with any diplomatic mission for the Iranian mission in Ottawa to interfere in the liberties that [Iranian-Canadians] enjoy in Canada.

...were not part of the original article.

(Just a small advice, when quoting external content, use the [.ex.] external text [./ex.] barriers. )

I wasn't implying you did it on purpose. I was actually unaware such update was made. It might be there, but it passed unnoticed when I read it.

Can you imagine if he stated anything even remotely close to the possibility of a strike? It would be on every news outlet worldwide, the markets would go haywire and he'd be relieved of his post in a heartbeat.

I believe that when diplomats and government representatives know about something, they simply hide it and don't mention it. They don't lie about their reasons.

The reasons for them to act might be unfounded or even false. But they are the reasons given.

Using excuses to pursuit other objectives is a very tricky and dangerous thing to do in diplomacy.

I do agree that Iran should not interfere with Iranians living in Canada. Of course that needs to work both ways. I wonder if any Canadians living in Iran have ever been approached by CSIS? Just a thought.

If you are going to question canadian emigrants integrity and true objectives in life - while living abroad - then you should also question the other side of the coin, and ask yourself if Iran doesn't do exactly the same thing.

I back this comment with this (from your source):

The calls were sparked by a news report that said Iran's cultural counsellor in Ottawa, Hamid Mohammadi, suggested Iranian expatriates should be nurtured to be of service to Iran.

Gotta love Netanyahu piping in...

Anytime he speaks, he presents Iranian pursuit for nuclear weapons as fact. The more this is published in MSM the more people will absorb it and believe it.

I'm not going to discuss Israel business in this. I don't see how this has anything to do with Israel.

However, I do find it a particular sad moment for Netanyahu to use this event as a pulpit to address Iran, again.

reply to post by tothetenthpower



Could not have said it better!

He is the most limp-wristed PM we've had so long as I've been alive (i'm not that young anymore) and does whatever he can do fall in line with whatever the US may be up to.

PATHETIC

I know we're neighbours and there are economic ties with trade and whatnot. That should not automatically mean we are at the behest of any President and his BS foreign policies. apparently though, it does


We'd be better off if the Bloc Quebecois were in charge of the entire country, as at least the french here have some BALLS and don't roll over for a belly rub every time someone down south says fetch

Embarrassing....

Do those 'human rights violations' also include bombing Iraq with white phosphorus and torturing prisoners?
+Why doesn't Canada cut relations with Russia and China, for their support of Assad too?

'and its threats against Israel.' Doesn't Israel killing Iranian scientists and threatening to bomb them count?

reply to post by GLaDOS


And don't forget pakistan where did we supposedly find UBL wasen't he holed up in pakistan, they have nukes and terrorists a few times in the past months have been attacking army bases there. North Korea "has" nukes yet no one threatens to bomb there unstable leadership and people into oblivion.

Pure hypocrisy on the part of my government in my honest opinion.

SaneThinking

Hey my Canadian fellows, why do you annoy your leaders ! go vote for them. then they do not have to show off on behalf of Israel !!!

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
God damn Stephen Harper and his globalist scum bag agenda.

War mongering.

That man needs to be removed from the helm of government. He's turning my country into something I hardly recognize anymore.

Sickening.

~Tenth

I have to agree with you as an American citizen myself. What the hell was he thinking?? Canada has been getting more and more involved with the wars of the US and its a scary trend. Canada USED to be largely respected around the world as a neutral nation...on the US side of dead center, perhaps..but still a neutral passport.

Why? What was the need for this?? I don't understand why Canada would go out of their way to become a combatant in a war they don't NEED to be on the front line with. Heck, they can't avoid being splashed when the U.S. has fighting here...but they didn't need to take center stage as part of the target list.

(confused) I just don't get it. The US? We're so committed, backup up now is MORE dangerous than just going forward and seeing it to the end at this late stage. Other nations though?? Why for the love of God is ANYONE else choosing to stand on either side of this coming war, who isn't already too deep to get out???

Originally posted by SaneThinking
reply to post by GLaDOS

 

And don't forget pakistan where did we supposedly find UBL wasen't he holed up in pakistan, they have nukes and terrorists a few times in the past months have been attacking army bases there.

I don't really believe the whole UBL is Pakistan thing. About their nukes, the US admitted even themselves that they're safe. Pakistan has one of the safest and most secure nuclear facilities in the world, I don't think there's any danger. The most danger in my opinion is from Israel and N. Korea.

Those damn Canadians are always causing trouble. (I'm just joking so don't get all mad.)

So I think maybe the U.S. and G.B. are rubbing off on Canada or maybe Bashar al-Assad and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are evil #ing people and Canada is right.

About time Canada how are you going to

reason with terrorist?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


People use to say " Ohh Canada, you mean Little America?" And Canadians used to laugh.

Nobody is laughing anymore.

reply to post by popcornmafia


Maybe we should just follow Obamas' lead seems he's doing a relatively good job with his Al-Cia-Da agents (the FSA) he has on the ground in Syria as well as the ones he's transported after there work was done in Libya by
Al-Cia-da (NTC).

SaneThinking