Mitt Romney Accidentally Confronts A Gay Veteran; Awesomeness Ensues

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You don't seem to understand that Christianity and Islam are cut from the same cloth and the worship the EXACT same God. You may not like it, but that doesn't change the facts. The Christian God and the Muslim God are the exact same God. Both religions are from Abraham, they have the EXACT SAME SOURCE. One son went on with Judaism which then went on to Christianity, first Catholic, then Protestant. The other son went on with Islam. They worship the exact same God and have the exact same basic laws. The only difference is Jesus Christ being seen as the Son of God in one and as a Prophet in the other. (as well as a prophet in Judaism which is also the exact same religion with the exact same God)

Right winged extremists are probably more terroristic than Muslims are when you get right down to it. The Jihadists are the right wing extremists of the Muslim groups just as the right wing extremists are the terrorists of Christianity. They both want theocracies and they both try to use their religion to support their atrocities even though both religions are clearly against what each group does.

Originally posted by Cuervo
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Man 1 - "You cannot get on our boat because you have a red shirt."
Man 2 - "I don't like that you are not letting me on the boat because of my shirt. I see people with all sorts of shirts on this boat. Some don't even have shirts and others have a couple layers of them. I even see that guy over their slapping his shirt. I'm not asking you to wear a red shirt or even offer red shirts in your gift shop."
Man 1 - "You are intolerant of my beliefs that say I should hate red shirts!"
Man 2 - *scratches head and walks off*

This is how the whole marriage debate looks to me.

Exactly. I wish people would try to understand the difference between intolerance of intolerance and intolerance instead of just spouting nonsense like the person I replied to.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
I suggested that they start a country of their own because they aren't happy here in America with they way things are.

If its true that all you want is to be left alone, then maybe you should consider stopping the GAY RIGHTS crap and you would be LEFT ALONE. I'm fine with you here as long as you keep it to yourselves in the privacy of your home. But as I stated earlier, when you take it public, you open yourselves up for prejudice, ridicule, and condemnation. Its on YOU that it happens because you people DO NOT keep it private, forcing the issue PUBLICALLY all the time. I don't care what you do behind closed doors in your own home. That's none of my business.

So in 5 more years when Christianity is no longer the dominant religion in the US, you will be keeping your beliefs and practices behind closed doors and not expressing it in public right? Otherwise, you will have no right to complain about the abuse you recieve due to it....
That's exactly what you are proposing right now, so don't be whining and crying when it happens. Go worship in your neighbor's basement, go in secret and make sure nobody sees you or you'll just have to take whatever punishment they dish out to you since you brought it on yourself.

...I'd prefer that people be able to worship freely in whatever way they wish as long as no harm is brought to anyone else, but you seem to want it the other way around, so you'll just have to deal with it.

If he did support gay marriage he would lose a majority of the votes from christian voters who are against gays. That being said that is a huge audience he would be missing out on and would most likely not win the presidency. On the other hand Obama says he is up for the idea maybe, doesn't offend the people who hate gays, and also gets the votes of the gay community. Genius if I do say so myself!

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by aaron2209
That vet is great.

We have the same debate going on in Australia and those against same sex marriage all spout the same rubbish over and over i.e. "Marriage is between a man and a woman". That's the only justification they ever come up with and it is the most flimsy BS justification I can think of.

I hope you guys can keep Mitt out of the White House

For some Mormons it is between a Man and a Woman and a Woman and a Woman and a Woman and....

To take that to extremes -
For a gay Mormon (assuming that such a person exists), it could be between a man and a man and a man and a man.
A real daisy chain.

The answer is actually simple. Do away with ALL government marriage. Have ZERO priveledges for any couple regardless of gender. If people want a religious marriage, fine, let them get one. Some churches have no issue with conducting gay marriages, they can continue to do so and the ones that don't want to, don't have to.
All civil marriage will be dissolved, done away with, no longer existant and all the details that go with them go out the window too.
No longer is the person you are married to considered your "kin" nor do they have any rights not set forth by legal contract. Each and every couple who wishes to give certain legal rights to their spouse of whatever gender will have to see a lawyer and draw up a contract that sets forth what privileges they want their spouse to have over them. There will be no tax breaks, no joint custody, no adoption as a couple, only as individuals, no "rights or privileges" in any way, shape or form for marriage of any kind in the eyes of the government. Then, there won't be any issues. The churches can continue to perform whatever ceremonies they want and they will mean absolutely NOTHING other than in the eyes of their church. No special treatment from the government at all.

Do away with ALL government marriages, then there's nothing left to fight over. Do away with those 1138 "rights" that people gain by being married, then everyone is equal. Otherwise, allow gay couples to have those same 1138 rights (not a single one of which is granted by any church, anywhere) and there won't be any problems.

www.marriageequality.org...

The thirteen categories under which those 1138 rights fall:
•Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps
•Veterans' Benefits
•Taxation
•Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits
•Employment Benefits and Related Laws
•Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens
•Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property
•Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
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You don't seem to understand that Christianity and Islam are cut from the same cloth and the worship the EXACT same God.

On the Contrary, I do. Islam follows Mohammed (Allah) who calls for murdering INFIDELS (those who do not worship him and believe in Islam), Christianity follows Yahshua (Christ) who promoted peace and love.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten You may not like it, but that doesn't change the facts. The Christian God and the Muslim God are the exact same God. Both religions are from Abraham, they have the EXACT SAME SOURCE. One son went on with Judaism which then went on to Christianity, first Catholic, then Protestant. The other son went on with Islam. They worship the exact same God and have the exact same basic laws. The only difference is Jesus Christ being seen as the Son of God in one and as a Prophet in the other. (as well as a prophet in Judaism which is also the exact same religion with the exact same God)

You should have asked rather than assuming ! Shame on you !

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
Right winged extremists are probably more terroristic than Muslims are when you get right down to it. The Jihadists are the right wing extremists of the Muslim groups just as the right wing extremists are the terrorists of Christianity. They both want theocracies and they both try to use their religion to support their atrocities even though both religions are clearly against what each group does.

The problem with your assumption about RIGHT WING folk is that they are no more dangerous than GAY/LESBIAN groups, or PETA or Greenpeace. Jihadists are TERRORISTS and WORSE than all of them because they use TERRORISM against innocents and their own people at times, and hide behind their religion to justify it.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

So in 5 more years when Christianity is no longer the dominant religion in the US, you will be keeping your beliefs and practices behind closed doors and not expressing it in public right? Otherwise, you will have no right to complain about the abuse you recieve due to it....
That's exactly what you are proposing right now, so don't be whining and crying when it happens. Go worship in your neighbor's basement, go in secret and make sure nobody sees you or you'll just have to take whatever punishment they dish out to you since you brought it on yourself.

...I'd prefer that people be able to worship freely in whatever way they wish as long as no harm is brought to anyone else, but you seem to want it the other way around, so you'll just have to deal with it.

GAYS / LESBIANS as a whole DO NOT WORSHIP GOD so your point was absolutely ridiculous.

GAYS / LESBIANS FLAUNT their SEXUALITY and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR in public. That is what they NEED to keep in the PRIVACY of their own home. PERIOD ! That is not a religion or a belief system. It is a BEHAVIOR!

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Actually, Christianity worships a god that demands execution for people that do things like unleavened on the wrong day.

Sounds like you have idea at all what your own faith preaches.

But sure... That won't stop you from preaching a bunch or misguided nonsense.

Originally posted by aaron2209
That vet is great.

We have the same debate going on in Australia and those against same sex marriage all spout the same rubbish over and over i.e. "Marriage is between a man and a woman". That's the only justification they ever come up with and it is the most flimsy BS justification I can think of.

I hope you guys can keep Mitt out of the White House

"Keep him out of the white house"? You don't actually believe that this election goat rope is actually for real do you? It is all a farce to provide the ILLUSION of freedom and democracy or Republic or what ever bullsh$t those elite sociopaths are spewing out of CNN or MSN or FAUX or from whatever main stream prole feed propaganda corporate whoredom you care to name. Leaders are already annointed by those in power, the banksters, wall st., city of london, corpor-RAT hierachy, all the douche bags extrordinaire. AND don't for a moment think that YOUR any better off down UNDA... we are all in the same boat. Now where the hell is Gilligan, Mary Ann, Ginger, Skipper, the professor and Mr. & Mrs, Howe?

Originally posted by longlostbrother
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Actually, Christianity worships a god that demands execution for people that do things like unleavened on the wrong day.

Sounds like you have idea at all what your own faith preaches.

But sure... That won't stop you from preaching a bunch or misguided nonsense.

Prove it ? It doesn't happen, not in America. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Mitt came out looking good I think. He told the man right to his face how he felt. We shouldn't be required to support homosexuality.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012

Originally posted by longlostbrother
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Actually, Christianity worships a god that demands execution for people that do things like unleavened on the wrong day.

Sounds like you have idea at all what your own faith preaches.

But sure... That won't stop you from preaching a bunch or misguided nonsense.

Prove it ? It doesn't happen, not in America. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Prove it?

Have you read the bible?

Your god wipes out entire cities... in fact he flooded the ENTIRE PLANET.

As for "not in America"... so what?

Is America what God wants? Are you using America as the exemplar of God's teachings?

Just how delusional are you?

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Hey don't forget, you said

Show me what part of the Patriot Act is unconstitutional

I did on page 16 it's 7 post down, your post then 6 down.

Do you see now how the Patriot Act is unconstitutional?

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Evangelical, ultra right wing supposed christians are the biggest terrorists in the world and the most dangerous.

Originally posted by Coinstrike
Mitt came out looking good I think. He told the man right to his face how he felt. We shouldn't be required to support homosexuality.

No one is asking you to support any kind of sexuality...straight or gay or whatever...what you should be willing to support AND uphold is elegantly stated in the following sentence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Of course, implied in that is also the fact that you are equally entitled to NOT support and uphold those ideas...but at the same time, your own personal choice to disregard them as relevant to your own freedom gives you absolutely no conferred right to deprive anyone else of their benefit and protection.

I was thinking a lot about this video today and also about Mrs. Romney's speech at the RNC.

It does say a lot about a Presidential candidate, imo, to see that once the benefit prospective vote is less likely to be had, all interest in interacting with the individual disappears and the candidate moves on with nothing more than a handshake and a nod.

Regardless of whether or not that man votes for Romney...if Romney were to win, he would still be bound to civilly serve this man simply because he is an United States citizen and because of that, this man's concerns should rightfully be the concerns of the President of the United States.

But that wouldn't be the case with Romney...if Romney really cared about this man as an American and not just a potential voter, then he would have expressed interest in having a discussion with this man about the man's concerns when invited. But it wasn't about this man or what he wants/needs/deserves/expects from his President...it was only about what Romney already believes about something that won't really ever directly affect Romney's life but will be a big big deal in this man's life...for the rest of his life. For the four or eight years Romney was President, his own personal opinions about things he has not experienced...and most likely never will...will affect this man's life in ways that Romney isn't even interested in LISTENING to...much less doing anything about.

In her speech last week, Ann Romney said the following:

But -- but let me say this to every American who is thinking about who should be our next president. No one will work harder. No one will care more. And no one will move heaven and earth like Mitt Romney to make this country a better place to live.

I have not once considered voting for Romney but that statement she made didn't seem all that off to me...I do think the man is sincere and he is a good man. But now, there is this encounter captured on video for everyone to see and possibly compare against her words...also equally sincere, I truly believe...

And what she said and what I see in this video just do not jibe.
Yes, she believes what she said is true...and I'm sure that he does, too...not in a self-serving way but in a way that he really believes can do some good for others if he should be elected.
And while it is in no way a lie on the part of either one of the Romney's...all the sincerity in the world doesn't make it true, either. The truth comes through actions and words that don't match are words that are soon viewed as meaningless and empty.

I don't want a President who tells me what he thinks...even if I ask him...I want one who also wants to know what I think....and not to gauge my willingness to vote for him but to serve me as a citizen if he gets enough votes to do so....even if mine isn't one of them.

Yea homosexuality is the product of evil, and should be treated as such….reply to post by Cuervo

reply to post by Labrynth2012

Wow what a Captain of Generalization you are; you know what lets just label as a group and lump em all up in together, it makes the hate easier because you don't have time to get to know who someone is; if you knew John you may like John...so lets not put a face on it; lets keep it an impersonal concept called gay..it makes it so much easier to swallow and live with ones conscience.

No Gay or Lesbian Churches you say? Ever hear of Jim and Tammy Bakker? They have a son named Jay Bakker; who has formed many church communities, many of which are gay. A female friend asked me to go with her to one of the services in Raleigh, N.C. it was no different than any other church I had ever attended; except there wasn't the holier than thou finger, of man made agenda's and separation pointing in your face; saying you are going to hell for being who you are.

Info Jay Bakker- en.wikipedia.org...

So of course i stand correct on the predictability of this thread. Thanks to you typical opinionated ass-clowns with your predictable knee-jerk responses. Calling me a dying breed among other predictable ineffective invectives is such an irony The irony of a group trying to teach wisdom when shoving 12 inch dildos up their ass is supposed to be logical and lesbos that would swear they're attracted to women but still crave what they substitute with a strap on. Blatant denial is never persuasive you know. I'm about to be convinced that not only homosexuality is deviance but mental illness as it used to be defined. I guess pornography wasn't enough to screw up and bastardize sexuality.

The convenience of christians being your main targets and opponents when religion and God are not even NEEDED to defend what nature, biology and LOGIC state best is too obvious. So is homosexuality some kind of rebellion against christianity then? Is the disappearance of christianity your main goal? What will you do when christianity is replaced by some other religion like islam, which is actually the next likely? Remember that radical muslims just execute gays without debate. The irony of your gay-friendly president endorsing the radical groups all over the Middle-East is rather an amusing prospective.

Y'all really are on a roll on this site so no it's not the anti-gay crowd who keep posting this redundent crap seeing the irony of the OP of this thread. And when they do it,s probably in response to the media circus pushing this issue.

It's funny sometime you have to wonder who really are behind that pro-gay brigade on the net arguing in circle 24/7 like they got something pressing to accomplish. Is it the Obama effect really or agent provocateurs trying to stir up #? Not only this rainbow movement has gotten dumber and ridiculous like the rest of the dumbed down populace, it has gotten antagonistic and it will backfire big time.