Mitt Romney Accidentally Confronts A Gay Veteran; Awesomeness Ensues

Originally posted by xstealth
I dont feel that this is an issue that should be handled at the Federal level.

If states want to support gay marriage then so be it, if not then so be it. If you want to move to a state that does, then go for it.

The President has much more to worry about than appeasing gays.

Correctomundo!

We also shouldn't be voting someone in based on a single polarizing stance like abortion or marriage. I know for many, it's that simple.

We should be examining their resume's, much like a board of directors or company owner searching for that next great CEO or better yet CFO. Charm and eloquent teleprompting shouldn't be considered. Intelligence, morality, integrity, capability, trustworthiness...or in other words, we should be voting for folks like Ron Paul, and not just those that look like us or talk a big game. Too much at stake to simply vote for the token-candidate even if it helps us sleep better at night.
"I voted for Obama because his campaign speeches were inspiring."
"I voted for GW because his dad was once the President."
"I voted for Carter because he is Pro-Life."
None of those are worthy presidential qualifications, but certainly are the qualities that earned them a great many votes.

Originally posted by r2d246
The bigger question might be....

Why didn't the vet try and kiss mit? huh???? ...... what..... did he not find Mit attractive enough??? Come on give gramps a kiss n he'll let you sit on his knee too Mit

Yea, why didn't that vet say to Romney, "I love you, man". Maybe, Romney would have taken it the wrong way

Originally posted by xstealth

If states want to support gay marriage then so be it, if not then so be it. If you want to move to a state that does, then go for it.

The President has much more to worry about than appeasing gays.

Gays are citizens - - they are voters. Obama is their president too.

Do you know why states have marriage rights? Purely for discrimination. States were given marriage rights to keep out undesirables.

Gays live in every state. It is 2012 - - state discrimination is stupid and archaic. Did Obama have to support state rights? Yes - because it is constitutional. He has no choice in that.

There will be a Federal Equal Marriage Rights soon - - as there should be.

The GOP is starting to come around on this - - because like this video of Romney - - its making them look foolish.

Originally posted by buster2010

What gays really want is the same rights as everyone else in this country has.

But what about single people? Don't they deserve the same rights as married people? There are more singles than gays and lesbians combined. I think all people should have equal rights. It's time for singles to fight for the same tax breaks that married people get. Either abolish marriage altogether or bring all singles into the fold, and give them the same rights as everyone else.


The right of a person to "self-marry" and get married status with all those benefits is a must.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
I AM NOT an enemy of this NATION just because I DO NOT sign on to and support a GAY / LESBIAN rights agenda. I made it clear in prior posts that is GOD's LAW that you violate, not mine. If you have issues with that, take it up with HIM and good luck on that.

God is not an ATS member nor can he vote and he certainly is not victimized by unfair legislation. I do not consider you an enemy of American because of your views. Your views are what make America the mixing pot it is. No, I call you an enemy because you believe that we should deny an entire demographic basic rights simply because you think your bible says to do so. This is extremist behavior, not American.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
I am NOT prejudiced against other RELIGIONS either. Our RIGHTS are GOD GIVEN, as supported by our National Constitution and foundation documents. You obviously have NOT done your homework. But since you mentioned it, Islam and other religions DO NOT tolerate GAY / LESBIAN behavior either. The only 2 that do to my knowledge are Satanism and maybe the Budahists. Outside of that, good luck with that.

You specifically said that we live by "Christian" rules and not "heathen" ones.

I think it is you who needs to broaden your reading list. If you can only think of Satanism and whatever "Budahists" are as religions who don't care, think again. The majority of the religions do not care. Pretty much, the only ones that do are the ones related to your under Abrahamic traditions.

You have a lot in common with Islam compared to the rest of the world. You do realize that people who do not practice Abrahamic traditions lump Christianity into the same boat is Islam, right? Why do you suppose that is?

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
Funny you make a statement about religion that supports slavery, murder, incest, rape ... you must be talking about the Muslims and Islam ... that is exactly what they support and do. As a CHRISTIAN, those acts to me are appalling. So very little you understand and how quick you are to judge. Be Very Careful casting stones ...
Karma will come back on you 10 fold.

Now I know you are just messing with us. Your bible supports all those things and more. My point was that there is no moral soapbox to stand on when the book you are quoting also condones many hateful acts.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
BTW: I am a USAF Veteran. I love this country and support it. But I will not bow down and give in to what you want that goes against the beliefs I was raised with.

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Nobody is asking you or your church to have anything to do with gay people or marriage. We are talking about law and equality within that law. It does not affect you because you are not gay. It does not affect your God because he is not an American (and also presumably not gay). This only affects gay people.

You served our nation's freedom only to come home and discourage it. Sorry, but while I appreciate your service, you didn't manage to change my mind. Your insistence that your religion should hold sway over our laws is an extremist one and a dangerous one.

Originally posted by patriot51

I am not in favour of same sex relationships either. we have male and female for a reason. The anus is not a sexual organ, it's sole purpose is for waste disposal !!!!!

The anus used by men who want to waste their seed. Toss their children away.

Imagine that you round up all school children under five years old, and take them to the garbage dump and toss them all in with the trash. That's basically the objective. That's what is done there.

If you look at semen under the microscope you can see all the little fellas swimming like tadpoles struggling hard to find an egg. I'm pretty sure no gay man has ever looked at his own seed under the microscope. If he did he'd be horrified at the multiple murder he's engaged in all his life. No gay person wants to see himself as a mass murderer. The strange thing is gays want "equal rights". But, what about equal rights for those little fellas?

Each sperm deserves the same "equal chance" to succeed.

How can you deny all those pre-born children the equal opportunity to be here and live free, while demanding equal rights and equal opportunities for yourself?

Anyone who denies equal opportunities to the living pre-born should himself be denied equal opportunity.


Maybe some think their seed is like plant seed, and needs soil to fertilize and grow into a person? So, they plant their seed in the dung, instead of the woman's life channel. It may just be a lack of education. They just don't know. Is it possible?

Who can explain why some men exterminate their sperm like eradicating termites from a wooden house?

And have the audacity to call it "love."

Originally posted by Cuervo

God is not an ATS member nor can he vote and he certainly is not victimized by unfair legislation. I do not consider you an enemy of American because of your views. Your views are what make America the mixing pot it is. No, I call you an enemy because you believe that we should deny an entire demographic basic rights simply because you think your bible says to do so. This is extremist behavior, not American.

I never said that they don't deserve basic rights. They do. They, just like anyone else here who is an American, has the right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Rights are given by GOD, not by man. The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights recognize those RIGHTS and govern what Government CAN and CANNOT do with regard to those RIGHTS.

You specifically said that we live by "Christian" rules and not "heathen" ones.

I think it is you who needs to broaden your reading list. If you can only think of Satanism and whatever "Budahists" are as religions who don't care, think again. The majority of the religions do not care. Pretty much, the only ones that do are the ones related to your under Abrahamic traditions.

You have a lot in common with Islam compared to the rest of the world. You do realize that people who do not practice Abrahamic traditions lump Christianity into the same boat is Islam, right? Why do you suppose that is?

Let's be clear. The Bible was / is a conglomeration of writtings dating back to the days of the Sumerians, pulled together as one work by the Council of Nicea in 325 AD. Having said that, the nature of the 10 commandments and the burning of SODOM and GAMORRAH took place long before it was put together as a published work. Most religions in America look down upon GAY/LESBIAN behavior and only one that I am aware of open admits them into their Priesthood (the Episcopalians).

Lumping Christianity and Islam together is utter nonsense. They are as different as apples and oranges. Only the uneducated do that and I must assume by your writting that you are amongst them.

Now I know you are just messing with us. Your bible supports all those things and more. My point was that there is no moral soapbox to stand on when the book you are quoting also condones many hateful acts.

There are many hateful acts performed throughout history in every religion. Man is a hateful being by nature. Until the day comes when all of mankind can set aside the hate, unfortunately we are stuck with what we have.

Nobody is asking you or your church to have anything to do with gay people or marriage. We are talking about law and equality within that law. It does not affect you because you are not gay. It does not affect your God because he is not an American (and also presumably not gay). This only affects gay people.

You served our nation's freedom only to come home and discourage it. Sorry, but while I appreciate your service, you didn't manage to change my mind. Your insistence that your religion should hold sway over our laws is an extremist one and a dangerous one.

Well, the people who came to this country from abroad in the beginning only brought 2 books with them here. The Common Law and the Bible. Understand, even reading the founding documents from the Magna Carta forward to establish our Constitution and Bill of Rights were written by people who believed in GOD as the Creator and Supreme Being. That is something that cannot be denied. It is a historical fact. So yes, the Bible does indeed sway over our laws somewhat. Accept it for what it is.

My whole point was not change YOUR mind. It was to give you FACTS that you will have to deal with. Unfortunately for you, I'm not the one you have to convince that YOU want a change in Equity under the established laws of this country. The PEOPLE you have to convince is the US Congress. They MAKE the laws. That is in their court. As far as GOD is concerned, that is between YOU and Him. His law reigns supreme over that of Man's. What you do in your life, you will be accountable for when you die, just like me or anyone else.

I DO NOT subscribe to any RELIGION. I was raised in one faith, but have attended many and for about 20 years now, I am no longer affiliated with any ORGANIZED RELIGION by choice. So when you get back on your soap box and high horse trying to insinuate or connect my beliefs with any CHURCH, know that you are DEAD WRONG.

I frankly DO NOT CARE what the GAY / LESBIAN community does as long as they keep it to themselves and out of the public eye. As far as MARRIAGE for them goes, I'm sorry, I stand on what the MAJORITY has said and they don't approve of it. As far as the extension of RIGHTS to them, they should get no other RIGHTS or EMOLUMENTS that no one else has.

Marriage is not a RIGHT. It is considered a PRIVILEGE under the US Laws. Now, should GAY/LESBIAN people be given that PRIVILEGE, that is strictly up the US Congress to decide. Take the matter up with them. Quit crying about what the WORD of GOD says because you don't agree with it. It is what it is. Its taken on faith and belief. If you don't or chose not to believe in it, that's fine and up to you, not me. However, it has still dictated the common laws and beliefs of all the people on the planet since the time of the Sumerians.

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Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by buster2010

What gays really want is the same rights as everyone else in this country has.

But what about single people? Don't they deserve the same rights as married people?

Married people - families - stabilize a society.

LEGAL marriage is a contract that protects individual and property rights of those joining together as a single household.

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LOL You just called Mitt Romney consistent. This makes me laugh. Thanks - you made my day!!!

Originally posted by Cuervo
This is great. Mitt gets asked about same-sex marriage and basic rights for married couples. Mitt, of course, thinking that there can't possibly be an old rugged army vet who's gay, enthusiastically and proudly throws down what he probably thought was a slam dunk only to find out that he happily told the guy he didn't want him to be treated with equality. Hilarious.

Check out this video

When you "confront" someone you meet up to argue, or contend a difficult situation. So it's the gay guy that confronts Mitt Romney. NOT the other way around. The guy asks him for a straight answer and Mitt gives him a straight answer. Awesome? Not really. Hilarious? Definitely not.

I see a video of a politician standing by his moral beliefs and a gay guy getting angry because of it.

reply to post by Debunkology

I see a video of a politician standing by his moral beliefs

LOL What beliefs would those be? I don't even know if he knows. He's all in support of the gay and lesbian community one day, the next day he's not. Flip-flop, Mr. Mitt. I see a politician pandering to a crowd based on what he thinks they want to hear.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
LOL What beliefs would those be? I don't even know if he knows. He's all in support of the gay and lesbian community one day, the next day he's not. Flip-flop, Mr. Mitt. I see a politician pandering to a crowd based on what he thinks they want to hear.

Well in the video he certainly didn’t flip flop. And he definitely didn’t tell the guy what “he wanted to hear”.

Originally posted by Debunkology

Well in the video he certainly didn’t flip flop. And he definitely didn’t tell the guy what “he wanted to hear”.

He told the GOP what they want to hear.

He's a "company man".

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
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So should Mitt have said he supported gay marriage to appease this guy? I applaud any politician that is consistent, and doesn't just tell people what they want to hear.

First of all, taking away rights from veterans cannot be justified. Citing a dogmatic godling as a basis for evil is no justification and is really not up for debate. I have no respect for "consistency" if it is a consistent violation of civil rights.

Secondly, he obviously thought he was preaching to the choir at first and was very smug about it. The gradual change in the conversation is what's so priceless.

So yes, this is hilarious and you know it.

Sorry, but I have to respond to this.

Get off it.

"Dogmatic Godling?" WTH????????????????????

"Not up to debate." In other words------------"The fact that there are legitimate reasons against having open homosexuality and gay marriage in the military and some agree with that is wrong to ME--------therefore, anybody who disagrees with me I will insult and ignore."

Gotcha.

This is "evil." So disagreeing with something that goes against religious and moral beliefs and laws for thousands of years is evil. OK.

How about abortion. Is that evil?

Just asking.........................................................................................

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by GreatOwl

Originally posted by buster2010

What gays really want is the same rights as everyone else in this country has.

But what about single people? Don't they deserve the same rights as married people?

Married people - families - stabilize a society.

LEGAL marriage is a contract that protects individual and property rights of those joining together as a single household.

I have to disagree with this. Conflicts between spouses is a major source of instability in the society. The problem is that there is an expectation within a marriage that the other partner is obligated to contribute, and when they don't, in the mind of one of them, it leads to arguments, fights, spousal abuse, and even murder.

Single people don't have any expectations, and are less likely to feel frustrated with a relationship and resort to violence and murder. So, the single person is more stable than the married person. They are free to simply walk away, and find new relationships, if they are discontent.

The married person has to hire lawyers, private detectives to get evidence, seek counseling to patch of problems in the marriage, etc..there's a whole host of services that are needed by the married couple that the single person never requires.

Being bonded for life is unnatural. It's like being in a prison. You're stuck with that other person, tied down with rope around your ankles, so no wonder there's so much stress in married life.

Humans were not meant to be married. Man is a hunter. Like any predator, he is designed to hit and run. To move quickly across the landscape. The more virile men spread their seed far and wide as they roam the land.

Tying such men down to one woman is abhorrent, and against the natural impulses.

Every man with a woman always turns his head to look at other women passing by. He can't help it. It's the natural tendency to keep seeking for more places to plant his seed.

Abolishing marriage would bring sanity and stability back to society.

There would be no spousal disputes, and no spousal murders. All the "controlling" aspects of relationships would be avoided, since no one would feel the other person "owed" them anything. There would be no cause for anger and disagreement.

Whenever two people no longer felt the urge to merge, they would simply move on, and go their separate ways in peace.

Originally posted by GreatOwl

I have to disagree with this. Conflicts between spouses is a major source of instability in the society.

Marriage and family stabilizing society - - is not something I made up.

First of all, taking away rights from veterans cannot be justified.

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Obama, Bush and most if not all of congress, are traitors to the United States Constitution. The patriot act and the NDAA violate the United States Constitution.

So anyone who supports Obama, Bush , as well as anyone who has a name on the patriot act and the NDAA, is a anti-American traitor.

If Romney wins and is part of that, or passes any kind of bullsh*t to take away our rights, then he to is a anti-American traitor.

But as of now I know Obama is a anti-American traitor, I don't know if Romney is, and I don't know about the 3erd party in this case.

So I guess if you are for the rights of the people then you will not be voting Obama, so may I ask who you are going to vote for?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by xstealth

If states want to support gay marriage then so be it, if not then so be it. If you want to move to a state that does, then go for it.

The President has much more to worry about than appeasing gays.

Gays are citizens - - they are voters. Obama is their president too.

Do you know why states have marriage rights? Purely for discrimination. States were given marriage rights to keep out undesirables.

Gays live in every state. It is 2012 - - state discrimination is stupid and archaic. Did Obama have to support state rights? Yes - because it is constitutional. He has no choice in that.

There will be a Federal Equal Marriage Rights soon - - as there should be.

The GOP is starting to come around on this - - because like this video of Romney - - its making them look foolish.

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You know what else States have to keep out undesirables and stinks of discrimination? Planned Parenthood.

RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD MINNESOTA, NORTH DAKOTA, SOUTH DAKOTA

Whereas, we envision and work toward a world in which people can embrace and pursue their own dreams.

Whereas, we believe that people should be free to make life’s most profound choices about health care, childbearing and relationships in harmony with their dreams.

Whereas, we believe that all people, regardless of gender or sexual orientation, have fundamental human rights that must be respected and responsibilities that must be exercised.

Whereas, we advocate an end to inequality and discrimination that are barriers to making private decisions regarding sexuality, reproduction and relationships.

planned parenthood - mn-nd-sd - resolution-opposing-constitutional-amendment-would-ban-same-sex-marriage

Be careful of whom you select as your champion. Planned Parenthood's champion/saint is Margaret Sanger for example. They still laud her to this day. We know what her intent was behind the promotion of abortion and birth control.

Planned Parenthood - Who We Are - History - 1916-1952

Obviously, gay marriage is the most important thing in the world, and is the TOP priority of the President's job. It's really the defining characteristic of a leader.

Doesn't matter what the candidate's stand is on, oh, say, the ongoing massive theft of pretty much everything, the unbridled corruption. Since all candidates have the same stand on that, as in, "Hell yeah, I'm lovin feeding at this public trough" it doesn't really matter, right? His stand on an issue that affects about two percent of the population, in a very small way, is the most important thing.

Originally posted by primus2012

Be careful of whom you select as your champion. Planned Parenthood's champion/saint is Margaret Sanger for example. They still laud her to this day. We know what her intent was behind the promotion of abortion and birth control.

I am fully aware of Margaret Sanger. There are many things in human history that were meant well. But we have evolved to understand humanity on a larger scope.

I 100% support Planned Parenthood. Which has nothing to do with this topic.