Steven Greer's "disclosure" about Armstrong's last words on the moon landing

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Rubicant13

 

In the week since Neil Armstrong passed away seems every nutball has decided to come out and pee
on his reputation and accomplishments....

Witness the "moon landing hoax" threads and the laughable theories they propose

Just another fake/conspiracy loon attempting to cash in on Armstrong's name.........

Star to you sir, the charlatans have no morals .

Originally posted by denver22

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Rubicant13

 

In the week since Neil Armstrong passed away seems every nutball has decided to come out and pee
on his reputation and accomplishments.... Witness the "moon landing hoax" threads and the laughable theories they propose Just another fake/conspiracy loon attempting to cash in on Armstrong's name.........

Star to you sir, the charlatans have no morals .

I assume you're referring to Neil Armstrong and his former CIA confreres at NASA..........

reply to post by de_Genova


Alot of you guys owe NASA thanks :

Is there a price to inspiration and creativity? Economic, scientific and technological returns of space exploration have far exceeded the investment. Globally, 43 countries now have their own observing or communication satellites in Earth orbit. Observing Earth has provided G.P.S., meteorological forecasts, predictions and management of hurricanes and other natural disasters, and global monitoring of the environment, as well as surveillance and intelligence. Satellite communications have changed life and business practices with computer operations, cell phones, global banking, and TV. Studying humans living in the microgravity of space has expanded our understanding of osteoporosis and balance disorders, and has led to new treatments. Wealth-generating medical devices and instrumentation such as digital mammography and outpatient breast biopsy procedures and the application of telemedicine to emergency care are but a few of the social and economic benefits of manned exploration that we take for granted.

Space exploration is not a drain on the economy; it generates infinitely more than wealth than it spends. Royalties on NASA patents and licenses currently go directly to the U.S. Treasury, not back to NASA. I firmly believe that the Life Sciences Research Program would be self-supporting if permitted to receive the return on its investment. NASA has done so much with so little that it has generally been assumed to have had a huge budget. In fact, the 2007 NASA budget of $16.3 billion is a minute fraction of the $13 trillion total G.D.P.

Pay no attention to bart sibrels/ richard 'dick' to his freinds hoaglands of this world, as they have
not a clue and by the sounds of it neither have you?.

But all is not lost!, all you have to do is research both sides of the coin and 'voila" i guarantee you will
see the big picture

Originally posted by de_Genova

I assume you're referring to Neil Armstrong and his CIA confreres at NASA..........

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I am refering to people i.e charlatans trying to cash in on the man .
Disgusting behaviour by the witch - doctors.

reply to post by de_Genova

The moon based telescope I mentioned is just that - it would be on the surface of the moon and not in orbit around the moon - as stated --> "Had we really gone to the moon there would have been a space based "Hubble telescope" in orbit (on the surface of the moon) as we speak along with a number of other valuable scientific experiments.

Seemed to ignored point of earlier post

How do you get to the moon .....?

Requires very large booster to even reach lunar space Much less land on the surface of the moon

Again how would you service such a device on the moon ?

Another problem seem to have forgotten is that moon has a 2 week day/night cycle

2 weeks bathed in glare of the sun - great conditions for observing other celestial bodies

2 weeks in night - where temps fall to - 250. How do you power such a device ?

Originally posted by denver22
reply to post by de_Genova

 

A lot of you guys owe NASA thanks :

Is there a price to inspiration and creativity? Economic, scientific and technological returns of space exploration have far exceeded the investment. Globally, 43 countries now have their own observing or communication satellites in Earth orbit. Observing Earth has provided G.P.S., meteorological forecasts, predictions and management of hurricanes and other natural disasters, and global monitoring of the environment, as well as surveillance and intelligence. Satellite communications have changed life and business practices with computer operations, cell phones, global banking, and TV. Studying humans living in the microgravity of space has expanded our understanding of osteoporosis and balance disorders, and has led to new treatments. Wealth-generating medical devices and instrumentation such as digital mammography and outpatient breast biopsy procedures and the application of telemedicine to emergency care are but a few of the social and economic benefits of manned exploration that we take for granted.Space exploration is not a drain on the economy; it generates infinitely more than wealth than it spends. Royalties on NASA patents and licenses currently go directly to the U.S. Treasury, not back to NASA. I firmly believe that the Life Sciences Research Program would be self-supporting if permitted to receive the return on its investment. NASA has done so much with so little that it has generally been assumed to have had a huge budget. In fact, the 2007 NASA budget of $16.3 billion is a minute fraction of the $13 trillion total G.D.P. Pay no attention to bart sibrels/ richard 'dick' to his freinds hoaglands of this world, as they havenot a clue and by the sounds of it neither have you?.But all is not lost!, all you have to do is research both sides of the coin and 'voila" i guarantee you will see the big picture

I agree with all that you say here with the caveat that I hold the position that the Apollo Moon Mission was a fraud............otherwise the benefits of the subsequent space program are real ones - much in the same way that the technological development of the aircraft carrier by the US Navy was of great benefit to society.

Why always ready to pass judgement based on biased opinions?

Truth is indeed stranger than fiction, this story is true... Many UFO's of tremendous size and technology lined the rim and observed the landing. They were really mad (Armstrong & Aldrin) to be there in their tin can while watched by the others sent in corvettes.

Whats even stranger though, is that the ships belong to mankind and are far older than any ancient site or monument on Earth...

Don't be so quick to judge or you will never find the truths you desire most...

Oh ya since I am spilling the beans. the moon footage the public has seen was indeed fake it was a poor recreation based on some actual footage. Also the real missions were from entirely different locations on earth at different times than believed.

You thought you saw them get loaded into unmanned rockets... Only one way to keep secrets and that is with real good illusions... The entire space program has been while planned and executed to make you see and think the way you are supposed to...

Nuff Said

Originally posted by 5StarOracle
this story is true... Many UFO's of tremendous size and technology lined the rim and observed the landing. They were really mad (Armstrong & Aldrin) to be there in their tin can while watched by the others sent in corvettes.

Whats even stranger though, is that the ships belong to mankind and are far older than any ancient site or monument on Earth...

No, it is not true - care to show some evidence for that silly story?

Sounds like a creep to me! Armstrong knew something, but why Greer would even know what, is beyond me. It's like the old joke "A man came up to me and in trying to convert me to his brand of religion said "Did you know Jesus Loves you? I said Yes I do but what I'm wondering is, why would he tell you?" Just what sort of Doctor is he??

reply to post by de_Genova


This goes along with US and USSR now Russian co operation in scientific areas.
Russia puts down all the reflectors in secret and we use them as we allow Russia
to know uber science to see we are in agreement. After all 40s and 50s saucer
mysteries have all run out and it was time for the allowed Illuminati rocket competition.
Von Braun, as a fixture as a lead man in science, must have been lead man in any
uber science and had to settle for rocket science. If he told Kennedy the Moon was
his by way of a new technology he may have crossed the line and bad for Kennedy.

The Illuminati war mongers aside on both sides probably will not go against the
science powers as long as oil and war are their free range. That leaves science on
the back burner with unbelievable science that would cause a shift in power among
the leaders. The uber science has been suppressed for so long and by people in
the know for good reason but they do not have the economic upper hand as the
oil controlling interests have.

reply to post by Rubicant13


Your profile photo reminds me of Peter Steele (formerly) of the band Type-O-Negative. One of the better musical artists of our time if you ask me.

Anyway, the self-described country doctor is, in my opinion, a charlatan who had benefited from the potentially legitimate witnesses from the 2000ish Disclosure Project symposium. And, you know, I think Greer's position in terms of release of government data & his own ... esoteric instantiation of UFO craft & what not is something of a performative contradiction.

On the one hand he presses for the U.S government to come clean about UFOs--the world ought to have access to such information. But on the other hand he privatized UFO experience with some white-collar service that, if I remember correctly, participants must agree not to divulge to others. So if we imagine Greer wearing a t-shirt that says "UFOs" with his arms outstretched, we can imagine that the centerpiece is A) Greer and B) UFOs, yet he pursues both A and B in such a way that, in my view, he's ostensibly contradicted himself. And I should add that I don't have a problem with folks making a living, but I don't judge his effort to be sincere.

I don't know, man. Maybe this country doc used to bleed his patients & lost his license? No, I retract that question. But Greer is, in my opinion, a fairly sophisticated charlatan to the extent that he aggrandized some acclaim within the UFO community by associating himself with credentialed members/former members of government service. I have my own doubts about some of the claims made during the symposium by said witnesses, but there are others whose account struck me as both credible & incredible.

In any case I would have thought Greer might have established enough rapport with his alien contacts to be granted an honorary galactic visa to some off-world planet. I mean the only conspiracy involving Greer that'll carry any weight with me is that he simply disappeared from the face of the planet. (Side note: I am not communicating a threat of any sort, nor do I desire any harm to come to the man.)

I find it appalling and disgusting that this Greer is doing this. He should let the dead rest in peace.

Originally posted by de_Genova

I do not find this image all that convincing. No context - no relation to other persons or objects of interest - its too isolated - the surrounding footprints are not indicitave of such activity etc., etc., etc. It looks faked to my photographic eye. Why is there no evidence of the person who placed it there. One would think this to be an important enough event to have astronauts in the picture - don't you think?

No, because the astronauts had a strict schedule (only a few hours) and weren't interesting in "disproving" idiotic conspiracy theories, it wasn't even conceivable.

What matters it that ground stations have successfully used the laser reflector to, yes, reflect laser light. (that in itself is a major achievement).

There were ufos around the moon during Apollo, this has been declassified.

Russian spacecraft landed on moon hours before Americans
A previously unheard recording of a Russian spacecraft attempting to beat NASA's Apollo 11 in 1969's race to the moon has been released.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

There was no mention. It was almost like the Americans pleaded with the Russians to let the U.S have this one.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


LUNA 15

Been known about for years. Launched 3 days before Apollo 11. NASA asked Russians about it and received
assurances would not interfer with Apollo. Orbitted moon and them attempted descent

It did not "land" on the moon - it crashed during landing attempt

en.wikipedia.org...

Refer to James Oberg book RED STAR IN ORBIT

Some people don't have respect for the dead.

reply to post by Rubicant13

Sounds like another Kevin Annett. These people have no respect for the dead, as they make great voices to steal (and by any means necessary apparently) in order to con money out of people. They dawn a cause and the funny thing is, people defend them by saying "oh at least they are spreading awareness". There's quite a number of truther scammers. Just because some catches the scent of truth doesn't mean the scum of the earth won't come along and dupe such a person, in fact, it happens all the time -- that's how one explains occupy and it's short-lived success (because in reality, it should have had no success considering how partisan they were making ''the revolution' -- and by that I mean they were mostly agenda 21 pushing communists who have spent years milking socialist systems to their breaking point while government crumbles about them and they are complaining about it).

Originally posted by RokitSauce
reply to post by MrInquisitive

 

As I have already posted Dr. Greer made these claims in 2005 on the Coast to Coast show with Art Bell.

So why is he bringing it up all a sudden again just after Armstrong's death? You say he brought it up in 2005; has he discussed it again until now? The timing of his bringing up again is obviously to make hay of Armstrong's death and to make claims that now can't be refuted by the supposed original source. Why anyone still defends this freak, Greer, who has now debased himself to the level of a media ghoul, is beyond me.

Originally posted by de_Genova

PRECISELY..............Had we really gone to the moon there would have been a space based "Hubble telescope" in orbit (on the surface of the moon) as we speak along with a number of other valuable scientific experiments. Hubble orbits the Earth about every 97 minutes at an altitude of about 353 miles - Imagine the quality of images if we had such a telescope on the moon!
Imagine the new discoveries about the universe that would have been accomplished by now! How high is the moon orbit in relation to Hubble - 238,900 miles !!!

Given the American spirit of accomplishment and adventure had we really gone to the moon we would have gone back by now - many times over and we also would have established territorial rights there by establishing a permanant base.

Its been forty years or so............WHY? And the Russians claim they won't be able to go for another twenty years?

As for the Apollo 11 crew having left an experiment on the Moon called the lunar laser ranging retroreflector array. There is NO PROOF that it really occurred and the Russians could very easily have planted a piece of hardware - a reflective mirroring device - on the monn during their one of their un-manned orbital flights - as well as the Americans.

Every word coming from the mouth of NASA is fabricated - We never went to the moon - its all a faked -up lie

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So you're complaining about the veracity of NASA in post about he continuing mendacious antics of Greer. That's rich.

Why haven't we gone back to the moon? Perhaps because it is really expensive and the marginal benefit isn't worth it at this point. Then there is the massive increase in defense spending and poorer performance of the US economy and the national debt. Hell, we can't get the government to do anything about global warming, let alone stop the travesty of fracking. The rich people who control the government don't care about moon exploration, they just want profit.

As for why a telescope had been placed on the moon by the astronauts, here are a few considerations:

Could they have afforded the extra payload? Are you talking about a little telescope or something on the scale of Hubble?
What would power the telescope, i.e. to move it around and to broadcast the pictures back?
Why would the view from the moon be any better than 330 miles out in space? Which is closer, easier and less costly to do?
What if the telescope breaks? Send another mission to the moon to fix it?

You folks who like to perpetuate the meme that the moon landing was a hoax will slam NASA at every turn and come up with these fanciful reasons to back up your theory, with no thought to the basic practicality of the things you claim should have been slam-dunk projects for the manned moon missions.

To steven greer if by chance you are reading this: Your a charlatan and your on my sh!t list my boy!.
The audacity of people like you.