Democrats drop 'GOD' and 'Jerusalem' from Party Platform

Regardless if i am late to reply,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of Church and Sate

no platform should be forced to run on 'God' nor should any president be forced to believe in 'God', and if a president doesn't believe in 'God' he should not be chastised so,

i don't support any political party, i don't support any Government Party, this is not a 'Liberal, Democrat Republican' debate,

this is 'freedom of Religion' be it any Religion, the World should not be run based on 'religion'

I heard about this and wondered WTF?

This just demonstrates LOUDLY that our entire political system is a SHAM SHAM SHAM!!
I love how the news articles always are stating that the Republicans started to make a fuss about what was in the Democratic party platform! Why should they care????

and regarding Israel.. ? That just shows that something is up about the fuss about this being in the Party platform... sigh.

I am soooo glad I don't profess any political party. Blech!. Our political system makes me completely ill!!

furthermore,

May I point out that this whole "fake" controversy (I don't think reference to GOD be in the platform nor a reference to where Israels capital is... )is a prime example of probably a Hegelian dialectic.

They probably wanted the controversy for some reason.

I hate the radical religious nuts, I hate cowtowing to the ignorant and the politically divisive.

There are deeper issues of who is pulling the strings and why. We get all caugth up in the little details meanwhile larger scams are being pulled off right in front of us.

Distractions Distractions... bleh!

reply to post by FlyersFan


Only a collection of the largest idiots on Earth would try to remove or denounce any ounce of religion. You don't have to have faith or believe in God to see that it controls and determines the ethical outcomes of countless, limitless daily interactions from one human to another. Who cares if BILLIONS of humans believe in a deity? Politicians should, atheists should...Every non-believer (the minority) that wants to discuss a civil future with their fellow man (or more importantly, REPRESENT THEM) should. You might as well care deeply about supporting the idea of God. It does you no good whatsoever to try and make it go away.

Idiots - Start to comprehend SCALE or sit down and close your mouths. Yes, religion has caused many hundreds of millions of deaths through the ages. It has also done many hundreds of millions of times that in civil, social motivations and outcomes to increase the general unity and comfort shown to an overall healthy environment. Godless people can be accommodating, sure – But, present to us, your detailed argument where those basic values were not passed down or shown through acts derived by a fear of God and a hope for a reward.

It's so simple, even a Liberal could figure it out (if you gave them a few hundred years).

Scale - Add God in to everything whether you believe or not. The majority of the positive outcomes in doing so, to the masses, far outweigh your crusade and personal convictions "for the moment".

To remove God from site belongs to the same absurdity as to crusade to remove guns from a 9th generation of armed citizens numbering in the hundreds of millions because on some perversely smaller scale, some doofuses have abuse them.

How many hundreds of millions of lives have been saved over 9 generations because we are armed and haven’t been invaded? Can’t present the numbers? Haven’t thought of that yet?

The bottom line: The Democratic Party, the now clearly Liberal weenies, are a small portion of a huge, overwhelming scale of powerful, willful human beings and you really need to halt your current course.

1) Jerusalem being recognized in lieu of Tel Aviv is contentious considering that Israel claiming Jerusalem as its capital is rather ballsy since it is occupied territory on their part (i.e. illegal). If this was ever part of the DNC platform- then one must wonder why? (I'm personally going with the AIPAC lobby being so powerful that even non-zionists won't get elected unless they join up and pander.) Up until recently, our government has been QUITE careful in remaining silent on this matter.

2) Whether or not the Democrats choose to honor or deny God, say Christian prayers or Muslim ones is their call. It has nothing to do with Congress establishing a religion and taxing us for it. The DNC is not Congress. If the public or individuals don't like it, then those who are democrats have the option of leaving the party.

Our forefathers established the Chaplaincy in Congress too. They didn't contradict themselves doing this. Has it occurred to anyone that what was intended and how we interpret things NOW aren't necessarily the same? It seems to me that the forefathers had no problem giving tacit approval to a particular religion (Christianity) as most of them were raised in a Christian dominated culture. The U.S. Capitol building was regularly used as a church at one time (with Jefferson's approval- considering he attended). They saw Judeo-Christian religious values as instilling morality into the public and so they condoned people following said religions.

The problem was having an official religion that the people were taxed for. Virginia and other colonies did this even after the Revolution. Jefferson's VA Statute for Religious Freedom came later and was an important piece of legislation because the First Amendment was based on it. So, for example, people who weren't Anglican/Episcopal had been taxed to support that church whether they believed in it, attended, or not. The idea of the First Amendment was to stop this on the Federal level ONLY. It wasn't until the early 20th century that the SCOTUS made this a states' thing too- as individual states up until that point COULD establish an official state religion and tax it if they had a mind to do so.

3) I agree with the OP in that it is ridiculous to take things out of the platform and then get all weird and agitated when asked WHY things were taken out of the platform- only to then turn around in a premeditated move that was planned to ram it all back through into the platform anyway. I find it very odd.

Drudge Report: Three times they said "no" to God

www.youtube.com...

Now take your 40 pieces of silver and go do what we all know you are going to ultimately choose to do.

reply to post by LeSigh


When they recognized the mess they created the DNC pulled the old "cheat & retreat" trick.

It's too late. The damage has been done. They made it much worse when the majority of the

delegates voted to purge God from the platform 3 times !

Originally posted by tkwasny
Drudge Report: Three times they said "no" to God

www.youtube.com...

Now take your 40 pieces of silver and go do what we all know you are going to ultimately choose to do.

edit on 6-9-2012 by tkwasny because: typo fix

It ruined the entire DNC Convention.

What were they thinking?

Hannity couldn't stop laughing!

reply to post by FlyersFan


Good.

first, 'democrats ' anyway never mean to adress the Real God,
but only their own Freudian psychological function they call 'god '

and about 'jerusalem '................... put that on the shelf next to the other hoaxes.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by LeSigh

 

When they recognized the mess they created the DNC pulled the old "cheat & retreat" trick.

It's too late. The damage has been done. They made it much worse when the majority of the

delegates voted to purge God from the platform 3 times !

No wonder they moved Obama's speech to the indoor venue tonight. I'd be worried about that lightning bolt too.


Des

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by jibeho
God was denied 3 times on the floor of the DNC. 3 times denied by the masses who were clearly louder than the believers.

Except for the nightly benediction that closed every evening with a prayer.

They even preyed for you hateful sons of guns -

edit on 6-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)

That the good Rabbi gave to an EMPTY arena. Empty with a few exceptions. The believers...

Watch the video
www.tabletmag.com...

None of the heathens hung around to listen to it at 1 am... But thanks for at least acknowledging that there was a benediction with the mention of God on multiple occasions.

Originally posted by Grumble
Why should God be in a political platform? Maybe they took it out because they are too principled to wrap themselves in religion for political gain like the Republicans do.

Remember, in America there is no requirement that I show respect for your God or even tolerance for your religious views. What you believe is your problem and your business, not mine. Resisting the knee-jerk reaction to mention God to please the religious is a sign of maturity for the Democrats.

Apparently that sense of being "too principled" made them put it back in when they realized they were losing the Jewish vote.

woopsie!

Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by LeSigh

 

When they recognized the mess they created the DNC pulled the old "cheat & retreat" trick.

It's too late. The damage has been done. They made it much worse when the majority of the

delegates voted to purge God from the platform 3 times !

No wonder they moved Obama's speech to the indoor venue tonight. I'd be worried about that lightning bolt too.

Des

Thu, Sep 6, 2012, 3:10 PM EDT

... AIRPORT WEATHER WARNING FOR A CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING THREAT AT THE CHARLOTTE DOUGLAS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GREENVILLE-SPARTANBURG HAS ISSUED AN AIRPORT WEATHER WARNING FOR...

CHARLOTTE DOUGLAS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT /CLT/

* VALID UNTIL 415 PM EDT

FOR THE FOLLOWING THREATS...

* CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING WITHIN 5 MILES OF THE AIRPORT.

A little early to be a threat to Obama tonight but eerie nonetheless.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

GOOD, there is no room for God in politics. There is a reason why the repbulican party gets called the Taliban nowadays. It's nice to see the democrats going in the opposite direction. Religion is dying in this country. They shall prevail.

edit on 5-9-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

Is that why the Democrats paid off Rev Wright to shut up? Didn't Barack have a whole discussion at the saddleback forum? Didn't Barack invite that radical Father Phleger?

What's with this new idea that God belongs in government, and how we're supposed to believe that it's always been that way?

This is the United States of America.
This country is not God's favorite, nor is it a requirement to be religious to live here.

Should we also put ravioli in government? How about Santa?
Using religion in anything government is a fool proof way to move BACKWARDS


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Originally posted by Darth_Prime
Regardless if i am late to reply,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Separation of Church and Sate

no platform should be forced to run on 'God' nor should any president be forced to believe in 'God', and if a president doesn't believe in 'God' he should not be chastised so,

i don't support any political party, i don't support any Government Party, this is not a 'Liberal, Democrat Republican' debate,

this is 'freedom of Religion' be it any Religion, the World should not be run based on 'religion'

what President has been forced to believe in God? DIdn't Barack have all the religious stuff covered when he went to the Christian University so he wouldn't have to look at the Godly art?

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Ruined the convention?

LOL.

This site and Fox news are literally the only two media outlets in the country still talking about this.

Everyone else is talking about Clinton's speech.

Some of you need to step out into the big world once in a while and leave the echo chamber behind.

I can imagine the "NAY" votes are from the. . .

wait for it. . . .

. . . . . . . . wait for it. . . . . .

.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Doubting "Caucus". . . . . . . .

Originally posted by spinalremain
What's with this new idea that God belongs in government, and how we're supposed to believe that it's always been that way?

This is the United States of America.
This country is not God's favorite, nor is it a requirement to be religious to live here.

Should we also put ravioli in government? How about Santa?
Using religion in anything government is a fool proof way to move BACKWARDS

 

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What's new about it? Have you checked the Declaration of Independence lately? Do you know anything at all about the Founders, who they were and what they believed? I think not. No, it's not new. Did you know that thee Egyptian Pharaohs were more religious in their ruling than we are?

Some recent debate has focused on the extent to which Akhenaten forced his religious reforms on his people. Certainly, as time drew on, he revised the names of the Aten, and other religious language, to increasingly exclude references to other gods; at some point, also, he embarked on the wide-scale erasure of traditional gods' names, especially those of Amun.

en.wikipedia.org...

Akhnaten tried to eliminate all the many references to various minor gods and replace with the one Sun God.

In the eighteenth dynasty, Akhenaten changed the polytheistic religion of Egypt to a monotheistic one, Atenism of the solar-disk and is the first recorded state monotheism. All other deities were replaced by the Aten, including Amun-Ra, the reigning sun god of Akhenaten's own region. Unlike other deities, the Aten did not have multiple forms. His only image was a disk—a symbol of the sun.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now of course that was during a time of Priest-Kings which ruled over Egypt for a long time.

Now if you want to turn to Rome, who do you think it was that involved religion with politics? How about Emperor Constantine?

Constantine the Great (Latin: Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus Augustus;[3] c. 27 February 272[2] – 22 May 337), also known as Constantine I or Saint Constantine,[4] was Roman Emperor from 306 to 337. Well known for being the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity,[notes 4] Constantine and co-Emperor Licinius issued the Edict of Milan in 313, which proclaimed tolerance of all religions throughout the empire.

en.wikipedia.org...

Make no mistake, religion has been a huge part in the ruling of empires. Who told you it wasn't?

Even Plato's Republic relies on the great "Philosopher Kings".

[exIt is Plato's best-known work and has proven to be one of the most intellectually and historically influential works of philosophy and political theory]In it, Socrates along with various Athenians and foreigners discuss the meaning of justice and examine whether or not the just man is happier than the unjust man by considering a series of different cities coming into existence "in speech", culminating in a city (Kallipolis) ruled by philosopher-kings; and by examining the nature of existing regimes. The participants also discuss the theory of forms, the immortality of the soul, and the roles of the philosopher and of poetry in society.[5]

en.wikipedia.org...(Plato)

Originally posted by jtap66
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Ruined the convention?

LOL.

This site and Fox news are literally the only two media outlets in the country still talking about this.

Everyone else is talking about Clinton's speech.

Some of you need to step out into the big world once in a while and leave the echo chamber behind.

There's a reason for that.

OMG! Hide the God and Jerusalem PR disaster that happened last night! It never happened!

Too late. Democrat Lanny Davis just shook his head. Deny God 3 times ?!!!

He was on Hannity last night.

Clinton made Obama look like an amateur.