Vote ? Really ? Are you sick in your mind ?

Originally posted by ghostcoder
Here is the typical voter cycle:

1.Vote for favorite candidate.
2.Experience jubilation if/when candidate wins.
3.Get ticked when candidate turns out to be like every other politician. Vows to vote for someone else.
4.Repeat all steps every four years.

This is insane indeed..

Exactly - Yet though from UK I watched the election of Obama with great interest.
Guess I fell for the psychological manipulation that is part of the whole corrupt process.

Yes Obama - I thought you were going to be the one that led the USA and in turn the world to a better place
I admit it I was fooled

Fool me once and shame on you fool me twice well shame on you again
Fool me again and again and then I am a fool

Are yo going to be fooled again?

Originally posted by loveguy

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by benrl

I agree, going and doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results does indicate insanity, so do something different.

Lets all pledge to vote third party.

Not voting is a bit of throwing the baby out with the bath water don't you think?


So vote third party, problem solved.

Star for You!!

Quit playing the game, people. You lose every time.

One election year

Good Point, actually, but Independent, has many different faces.

There are many things we encounter in life, that must not be participated in. Close observation of these, reveals that regardless of the stance you adopt, you will lose something of value and harm your soul. The only winners, in this case, are those that shun participation. A corollary of this is, you are always better off doing the right thing wrong, than the wrong thing right. A simple observation, tells me that political involvement, is a complete waste and will do more harm than good. If the people involved were sincere, it might show something positive but the participants seem to be those that have, to some degree, mastered the ability to fake anything that remotely resembles altruism. Hypocrisy 101 appears to be a prerequisite for politicians. Surely we can find something of real value to spend our life at and political involvement, including voting, should be shunned, like filth on the sidewalk.

Here is the thing, yeah we can get up, and drive down to the voting polls, get out of the car and walk into the voting place, stand in line, then give our names, walk to the voting booth, check our nominee and then slip it into a box, then we walk out and return home. However, our votes do NOT count, the tptb makes the choice that they want to win, we are then brainwashed into believing falsehood and lies and eventually give into what tptb want, all the while making things worse and worse for and on the people around the globe.

Now if we would just wake up to ourselves and the reality that we know is going on and make a stand, we just might get somewhere. But then again you have people that just want to complain and not take part in anything.

We should stand up for what we, the people, want and don't want. After all it is our choice that should outweigh tptb isn't it? The answer is not at this moment! We have to "make" that the choice. By standing up for our rights as human beings.

Originally posted by rollsthepaul
There are many things we encounter in life, that must not be participated in. Close observation of these, reveals that regardless of the stance you adopt, you will lose something of value and harm your soul. The only winners, in this case, are those that shun participation. A corollary of this is, you are always better off doing the right thing wrong, than the wrong thing right. A simple observation, tells me that political involvement, is a complete waste and will do more harm than good. If the people involved were sincere, it might show something positive but the participants seem to be those that have, to some degree, mastered the ability to fake anything that remotely resembles altruism. Hypocrisy 101 appears to be a prerequisite for politicians. Surely we can find something of real value to spend our life at and political involvement, including voting, should be shunned, like filth on the sidewalk.

Well I see that the situation truly calls for an extreme bias. Good for you.

I agree with you! Getting involved in this election nonsense is just nonsense. If you think that you can make a difference by participating in this rotten, corrupt system..this Kleptocracy...this hideous criminality then you are an accesory to this ongoing crime. DO NOT PARTICIPATE! Let the system crumble under the weight of it's own incompetence and avarice. The very foundation has been eaten away by parasitic, sociopathic, power hungery blood sucking vampires.

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Yep, voters are between a rock and a hard place. We're all just peons to be controlled by the corporate elite, insurance companies, and those in political power.

Yes I vote, but if the recent RNC has proven anything to me, it's that it doesn't matter anyways.

I will continue to vote, but I do it to make myself feel better. I do not do it because I feel it will make a difference anymore.


Many people feel this way, and if people actually felt like there vote mattered maybe you would see a much higher percent at the voting booths in November. Most, however have given up on our government and democratic system. I am one of them. Its no longer free, and is a farce democracy.

Our economic system is teetering on the edge of an abyss which could tumult the government and the people into a realm from which they may not return, a line we cross where we betray all we have fought for, all we have died for, all that is our very identity: freedom.

Freedom is not just voting for leaders. It is the absolute right to live your life how you choose, doing no harm to others, free to choose your path
free to venture,
risk,
free to succeed,
free to fail,
free to marry whom you choose,
free to have dominion of your own body,
free to keep your nose and the government out of your neighbor’s business,
free to worship in the manner you choose,
free to not worship at all if you choose,
freedom to protect yourself, your family, and your property,
freedom to do with your property as you choose,
freedom from taxation that does not stem from the consent of the governed.

Political freedom is inexorably tied to economic viability. Any form of government, no matter how strong the connections to history and national pride is doomed if there is no food on the shelves.
The Giant is eating all the Goldn eggs.

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I too was mesmerized by the election four years ago. Then one day, I decided to do some actual research on the guy instead of buying all of the propaganda and hero worship you commonly see in the news. To make a long story short, I was horrified and felt partially guilty for my small, yet impactful role of helping him get elected by voting for him. I will not make that same mistake this time around. Democrats and Republicans are not worth my vote. I'm going to do some research into some third party candidates and vote for one who i believe would be the best for the country, even though their chances of winning are next to nothing.

If most Americans actually did some research on candidates instead of allowing themselves to get caught up in the hype and excitement, I'm confident Dems and Repubs would not have the power that they hold today and this country would be on a more healthier, peaceful and prosperous course.

Voting is ridiculous, the OP is correct.
The problems that arise from government can not be solved by simply voting third party either, as some other posters have suggested.
The real deal is that the government in any country is there to rob you. Why would anyone in their right mind consent to that?
The vote is simply an illusion to make you think you have some kind of power when in reality the vote makes no difference. When you elect a small number of people to govern you it doesn't matter what their intentions are, it is very easy for them to be bribed or threatened into corruption.

Surprised and encouraged to see so many people openly comfortable with saying they won't vote. Usually the majority of posters tell them they're being apathetic, they lose their right to complain, etc. etc.

Which is always amusing, because I'd love to see someone actually take my right to complain away from me. As I've said elsewhere, I will not vote. And I will not cede my right to complain about those for whom others vote. Nor will I be deterred from complaining by people "not taking me seriously" on the basis of my refraining from voting.

If one was to talk about the least most smallest insignificant single thing one can do for "ones part" in determining the course of anything around us in the real world... it is using your index finger to "draw an X", "punch a hole" or "push a button".

There, you did your part. Feel better?

Why vote?
Why even bother to play the "game"
It's the bloodline
We should start looking at ourselves as our own "country" and start being more self sufficient.
I mean, in the end it doesn't matter who the president is or how they feel towards certain issues or what have you.
In the end, you are screwed and that is the plan and you will die and they will milk you of all of your money along the way.

As soon as we realize that this is all a game and we are expected to play along, the sooner we will be free.

I know it sounds stupid but if a large portion of the worlds population actually quit purchasing for a short period of time, the worlds corporations would collapse and the military would move in to attack and subdue the civilian population.

Unfortunately, if and when the world ever collectively wakes up and quits on the game (somehow), it will most likely be too late.

reply to post by randyvs


I don't know why they call it voting- it is a two party dictatorship. Insanity equates to doing the same thing over and over again, and getting the same results!
No vote is a wasted vote. End this insanity-vote third party. It is at minimum a chance for change-next to a people's revolution.

I hope our country can find it's self one day

SSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Don't tell anybody, they might figure it out.

I'm almost mortified by how many are in agreement here. Like a " My God what have I done ? " epiphany. Yet I'm astounded by the clarity.

reply to post by randyvs

Leaderless Resistance


Where does the State draw its support and funding from to pay for our own enslavement, to
prepare for our inevitable rebellion? Funding and support comes from you. From me. From anyone who voluntarily supports Leviathan. You are conditioned to think that death and taxes are certain, but, while you can't escape death, taxes are indeed voluntary and the State is powerless to enforce their illegal theft so long as enough people refuse to cooperate with it.

During the Great Depression there was such a tax revolt. Not everyone participated in it but it was
sufficient enough in numbers that the government was powerless to do anything about it. They
could only hire people to go door to door begging – begging – people to pay their taxes. What a
glorious example of the real power we, the People, have over even such a grotesque, power-bloated government. They begged them to pay their taxes. They didn't SWAT team their houses, shoot their dog, and throw them in jail. They begged them to allow the State to rob them. Let that sink in.

The biggest problem we have now, particularly since the Great Depression, is that spirit of self sovereignty has been gradually eroded away, so that most Americans not only feel that they must pay their taxes, even if such taxes are illegal, but that it is their lawful, patriotic duty to do so, and they are more than happy to do it – anyone who does not is a cheat and a scoundrel and un-American. Would that I had a dime for every person who got angry at me for telling them that not only was the State robbing them and their children of their wealth and prosperity, that this theft was an example of their slavery, but that none of it was legal in the first place. The only real revolution that will deliver true liberty is a revolution of consciousness. This revolution demands that you stop looking outward for leaders and saviors, and be your own leader, your own savior. Within your own mind lies simultaneously the problem and the solution to all
your problems.

You must lead, but you must not allow anyone to follow you, except to encourage them to be their own leaders. And we must recognize the innate power we as a collective have, that no matter how powerful the State becomes, it can only function if the people grabs it by the heel and places it upon their own necks. This is the genius behind the scam, but also the beauty behind the solution:

stop empowering it. Do not vote. Do not pay taxes. Do not join or allow anyone you know to join the military. Do not invest or spend your money in the mega-corporations, particularly the banks, which control our government. Become self-sufficient: save your money. Buy gold and silver. Get off the grid. Produce your own food, water, heat, and electricity. Arm yourself. Educate yourself. Turn your attention inward. Only you can save you.

Movements and group-think are nothing but avenues for us to relinquish responsibility for our own actions, or inactions; for us to play the victim. We stand outside their buildings waxing hysterical about truth and justice, and they laugh at us as their hired thugs – the militarized police – tear gas us and assault us with batons, attack dogs and sound cannons. Face it, folks: the game is rigged. They've very carefully and meticulously created this matrix over generations with nothing but their own aggrandizement and perpetuation in mind. They haven't come this far to let a mob of
people clamoring for justice stop them. It is difficult to wrap your head around, because it is part of your programming.

Fighting tyranny and injustice is the American way. The Matrix we live under does not have at its source some external influence. The global power elite are not aliens (well, maybe they are...), they're not gods or supervillains. They are a manifestation of the diseased egoic mindset of the collective. They are you. They are me. If you want justice for these crimes you just as well might wrap the noose around your own neck. The only justice to be had in this world is to accept responsibility for your actions, or inactions, and do what must be done to change. Be the change you wish to see in the world. Take responsibility.

It is ridiculously simple yet staggeringly difficult. We hate them, and yet we think we need them, or at least someone who will serve us better. For as long as the current egoic malaise exists in the
collective psyche, you can hang all the David Rockefellers and Donald Rumsfelds you like, and
more will simply take their place. Take it to the bank.
This state of the world will change when you change. If you feel like change cannot take place
until enough other people change, then change will never take place. Change only takes place
when you step into your own power, and jealously guard that power and let no one have it. You
are part of the collective, and your own personal awakening evolves the collective towards
consciousness and freedom. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. That is all
you can do, and it is enough.

consciousresonance.net...
gnosis474.blogspot.com...

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


Holy crap Stranger. That was most damaging. That's a true wake up call.

reply to post by randyvs


lol

upon seeing the all the:
"if you dont vote you cant beatch"

"just write in..."
how are you gonna write in if youre using a diebold?

"lets work within the system and try to win at a rigged game"

no point getting worked up
just use the ol' triple whammy