Vote ? Really ? Are you sick in your mind ?

reply to post by randyvs


Your entire premise is the very definition of apathy.

"I can't change it, so why try"

Sure, you still have your first amendment right to complain, thanks to those that still believe this system works. Again, if you don't want to vote for anyone, it's your choice. But that's not the solution to the problem. The solution to the problem is a well informed electorate who in a grand unified voice decides to take this country back through the ballot box.

You want this country to change for the better. Do something about it instead of doing nothing.

The reason we got here to begin with is because of apathy, people not caring what their government does. They thought it didn't matter who they voted for. But it damn well does matter who you vote for, especially if we as a people decide that this is once again our nation and choose to elect our candidates instead of the candidates that they try and force down our throats.

But, go ahead, whine and bitch and moan about how bad it is, and do nothing to change it. See how well that works out for you.

It's like homeless people who hold up signs saying "will work for food" and when you offer them a job, they refuse and ask for money instead. They don't improve their situation at all, but they still are willing to take the money for nothing anyway.

How much respect or credence should we give your opinion about the way this country is, if you aren't willing to participate in the process that is your civic duty? Should we care at all what you have to say? You aren't willing to do anything about it, like the bum wanting others to fix your life for you. Instead of doing the work yourself.

It's not cliche'...it is the way the sh!t works....participate...or don't...but stfu when things go south and you don't like it. Those that do not express their voice when they have a chance...HAVE NO VOICE...I will mark this down....and come January and the new "regime" takes over...I will be the first to silence your rants when you don't like it...speak up or shut up...b!tching is not allowed without participation....

reply to post by Jeremiah65


You silence nothing . And you vote for nothing .

Voting reminds me of slaves sitting around trying to decide who they want as a master.
In the end they still have a master and they are still slaves.
If you want to be free then stop kicking the can down the road.
Don't play ball. Don't even watch the game. Burn the playing fields.

reply to post by HauntWok

Sure, you still have your first amendment right to complain, thanks to those that still believe this system works. Again, if you don't want to vote for anyone, it's your choice. But that's not the solution to the problem. The solution to the problem is a well informed electorate who in a grand unified voice decides to take this country back through the ballot box.

You know what the problem is and it isn't apathy.

Originally posted by deadeyedick
Voting reminds me of slaves sitting around trying to decide who they want as a master.
In the end they still have a master and they are still slaves.
If you want to be free then stop kicking the can down the road.
Don't play ball. Don't even watch the game. Burn the playing fields.

That's a great analogy.

How can people from the same nation or even kindred systems be so far apart? None of us are nuts or lazy but some of the divided don't even see that the division is an indicator of something totally a miss. And it isn't apathy.

I always vote for Ru Paul and Mel Brooks.

Nobody else is worth my vote. They're all the same.

reply to post by randyvs

You know what the problem is and it isn't apathy.

Actually it is. Our government used to be by the people and for the people, the problem is, those that sought power got in, and the people didn't immediately kick them out. Now, we have what we have, and it's our fault. It's our fault because we didn't stand up when it started and say: "this is complete bull and we aren't going to stand for it."

We got here because we didn't care enough about this country to keep it.

But it's apathy like yours that continues the problem. Sure, don't vote, see what changes. How do you think your going to change the country for the better by doing nothing?

It's our fault because we didn't stand up when it started and say:

reply to post by HauntWok


Well i wasn't here when the sham began and neither were you.
This country sprang forth from a master plan that was only temporarily halted due to high taxes.
Soon after America was founded they adapted the plan to suit the needs of establishing a one world government.
In the end the only fault that will weigh on our shoulders is our unknowing actions of perpetuating an evil system of indirect slavery.

reply to post by HauntWok

But it's apathy like yours that continues the problem. Sure, don't vote, see what changes. How do you think your going to change the country for the better by doing nothing?

I have one question for you. When is the last time this government did anything for it's people ? Middle class on down, the poorest being the easiest to help and yet the most ignored ?

reply to post by randyvs


Well, let's see, when is the last time? Well, if you listen to the uber right wingers, the government is practically bankrupting itself giving everyone who asks for it assistance, much to their dismay.

Let's see, there's food stamps, medicaid, medicare, social security, defense, roads, safe air travel, safe water, safe food, safer air... Should I go on?

Oh right, screw what JFK said about "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Ask, "what the hell have you done for ME lately?"

And holy all that is done by taxes collected from the people for the people.

Of course, one could say that the government is an evil abomination hell bent on the destruction of personal liberty and freedoms. Course the right wingers also have a solution to that too. America, love it or leave it. Perhaps you would be happier in Mexico? Or perhaps Somalia, Congo, Sudan, Chad, Zimbabwe? Any of those suit your fancy?

Na, just first world problems and a spoiled nation asking "what have you done for ME lately?"

reply to post by HauntWok


More cliche's ? almost everything you mentioned is a source for profiteering and don't you even try to say I don't love my country. this has nothing to do with love of country or fellowship among countrymen. You know that damn well as I do. So you might want to cease with that flatulence.

My recognition that my govt. has gone rogue has nothing to do with my love of country. I site all our vets that died in WW2 and ask you. Do you think they would be happy with what is going on today. Many decades the American people have played it right and look, I mean look and see what the hell is happening. But you want to blame us ?
No my friend the corruption is there and I see it and it isn't going away period. Dream on! But the pie is all gone.
Corporate America is to blame plain and simple. Nobody needs laser surgery to see it. It's in your face everyday.

Interesting the OP uses a link to a song whose time was prime for social movement.

Thing is that time has passed and multiple assassinations and deaths put the exclamation point on that time. Innocence ended and the window for "The Great Experiment" to take a populist turn shut.

We The People really showed how responsible we were during those times with our wild rock and roll music, prevalent drug use and crazy free sex attitude. Attributes that were shown on that newfangled television as justification for the "establishment" to clamp down and run things for us... and run things they have.

Vote? Sure I vote but my targets are local and I have no illusions thinking my vote counts for anything but a protest at the federal level. Too many people just have tuned out too far to even care about the process. I do agree with the notion that if you still vote for the two fools put before you then you are supporting the status quo.

There will be no blatant tyranny or armor tanks in the street to enforce any kind of move to turn this country into a dictatorship unless the status quo is threatened and at this rate, that isn't ever going to happen. Like The Matrix we are stuck in time repeating the same arguments we argued half a century ago. Nothing has really changed other than the tighter control mechanisms of law to make sure any contrary beliefs to the status quo will be quickly diffused and eliminated unless it can be used.

Vote but don't be under the illusion that it means anything beyond local. Ask yourself why so much energy is put into the federal level but just about all you see in local are yard signs? Because that is where the power of the people actually resides and right now I get the sense that people only pay attention to the locals when they see them "on the ticket" when they go to vote and nothing more.

Personally I think it is too late and the only thing that will change the structure is some detrimental external event... just my opinion.

reply to post by Terminal1


Now that was an excellent retort and thank you for noticing how true the song rings and applys when we consider it to be prophetic.

"We sang dirges in the dark " A dirge is a funeral hymn..

When the jester sang for the king and Queen
in a coat he borrowed from James Dean
and a voice that came from you and me. The Jester is the POTUS.
i

reply to post by Terminal1


I agree that operating at a level under the federal radar does bring more of an illusion of freedom into ones life until you come to that proverbial fork in the road and you cross path's with the local governance on an issue that really matters. In the end you are still chained to the machine that is driving tyranny forward on a federal level and it's only a matter of time before your resistance is deemed as a threat to the overall push of global domination.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Hefficide

 

You vote, you're screwed.

You don't vote, you're still screwed.

Apathy is not the answer.

Anyone sick of voting Democrat or Republican should consider Independent.

Instead of not voting, I think we need to start organizing.

Once we have the numbers, and we can tell 40,000,000 people to stop paying their income taxes, or to boycott ExxonMobile, we may be able to scare these people into quitting their hateful agenda.

It isn't likely, and believe me I know this is wishful thinking. But I hope when things start getting really bad people keep their heads instead of using violence. Again, wishful thinking, and maybe not even the right line of thinking. Maybe violence is the answer? I do not think these people will ever stop. They are insatiable.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Terminal1

 

Now that was an excellent retort and thank you for noticing how true the song rings and applys when we consider it to be prophetic.

"We sang dirges in the dark " A dirge is a funeral hymn..

When the jester sang for the king and Queen
in a coat he borrowed from James Dean
and a voice that came from you and me. The Jester is the POTUS.
i

edit on 31-8-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

I loved the song and sang it when I was just a kid though I had no clue what the lyrics really meant other than they were cool to sing. Great song.

I do have a different take on the Jester. I think the King and Queen meant the powers of old, or the establishment in the first sense. The jester was just a metaphor to musicians at the time speaking in a populist voice in praise of sex, drugs and rock and roll... the elements of rebellion, hence singing in James Deans leather jacket, the epitome of rebellion in those innocent times. The '50s... when everything was just going swell.

I am just winging it though. I could be way off base. Im tired but another great imagery song that came later that has just alittle bit more hope is Jimi's "All Along the Watchtower" (speaking of Jester hehe).

Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Terminal1

 

I agree that operating at a level under the federal radar does bring more of an illusion of freedom into ones life until you come to that proverbial fork in the road and you cross path's with the local governance on an issue that really matters. In the end you are still chained to the machine that is driving tyranny forward on a federal level and it's only a matter of time before your resistance is deemed as a threat to the overall push of global domination.

I didn't mean to give the impression I go under the radar with my vote at federal level. I do vote but just like this go round, I just don't vote for the two main party candidates.

Global Domination is the last thing on my mind right now. I just want all levels of government to be responsive to populism. I feel I do have a direct impact on school boards, sheriffs and prosecuting attorneys for example. I can call those directly from my phone. The POTUS? Not so much.

reply to post by PatriotGames2

Once we have the numbers, and we can tell 40,000,000 people to stop paying their income taxes, or to boycott ExxonMobile, we may be able to scare these people into quitting their hateful agenda.

That would be a turn in the right direction. It's too bad that there is no uninhabited land on a distant shore that we could go and start over and ward off the covert intrusion into our everyday lives. Mid 2013 will usher in a new era in thinking because if we are still here in the same manner most of the ones that were waiting for mother nature to hit the reset button will be open to a third choice once again. I do believe that either tptb will amp up the control machine or succumb to a waking giant that has long yearned for peace through devine means.

One day enough will be enough and that day is near because most of the cards on the table are in play now. There is no doubt in my mind that change is our future.