The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

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Here's me in full lotus yoga position -- since you asked! haha.

Oh yeah and The GUT -- why would anyone in the CIA like Kit Green need a "motive" for murdering someone?

You are assuming a rational approach to murder! Does murder need a motive?

What was the motive of the mass murder of fascism? We can say territorial control, power, etc. -- but as Zizek points out the anti-semitic argument is circular -- a tautology that is absurd.

We can say the same about the CIA -- the motive for mass murder by the CIA -- just read Noam Chomky's the political economy of human rights, Vol. 1: The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism.

So what is the motive for training people to commit mass murder and funding them, etc.

As I posted the John Pilger video -- the CIA directly says it is working to protect the interests of the U.S. - the national security interests. So the CIA creates "national security states" around the world based on fascism and uses actual Nazis to train the mass murderers.

Can we say the motive is fear, anger - completely irrational? Yeah I don't think this even has to do with power. We can say the CIA is protecting corporations use of slave labor conditions just like the Nazis used slave labor.

But the actual mass murders of innocent Mayans in Guatemala in the 1980s for example -- in their villages peacefully farming -- this has more to do with jealousy of a sustainable lifestyle that is nonwestern.

People in anger and fear are jealous of those who are living a peaceful free sustainable lifestyle.

So the thing is about Kit Green and CIA psychosis as mass murder -- the sociopath can seem completely rational and even charming and highly intelligent but it's like Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde -- their real personality is completely driven by materialist power domination that is totally selfish.

So who knows about Kit Green -- he could be a sociopath for all we know but we do know the CIA as an institution is based on mass murder as genocide.

I stand corrected, I think, on the full lotus. Is that really you?


Full Lotus Qigong

Kind of creepy…and yet some coolness, too, but for some reason reminds me of this:


As does Effie Chow:


The rest of my post remains coherent. We can discuss qigong all day if you want. I got more.

However, if you would stay focused, grasshopper, you could use your not-so-ingsignificant brains on a topic, besides qigong, that interests you.

The Agency obviously veered off-course somewhere along the way. Dulles, in his desire to capitalize on the Nazis intelligence apparatus in Europe--especially in regards Russia--made a deal with the Devil so-to-speak and absorbed Ghelen's morally defunct operation into our newly reorganized alphabet soup.

I say "absorbed" because it's debatable who was sucking who in.

Washington D.C., February 4, 2005 - Today the National Security Archive posted the CIA's secret documentary history of the U.S government's relationship with General Reinhard Gehlen, the German army's intelligence chief for the Eastern Front during World War II.

At the end of the war, Gehlen established a close relationship with the U.S. and successfully maintained his intelligence network (it ultimately became the West German BND) even though he employed numerous former Nazis and known war criminals.

The use of Gehlen's group, according to the CIA history, Forging an Intelligence Partnership: CIA and the Origins of the BND, 1945-49, was a "double edged sword" that "boosted the Warsaw Pact's propaganda efforts" and "suffered devastating penetrations by the KGB."
www.gwu.edu...

As intelligent as Dulles was, he also displayed a streak of sociopathy as hefty as his elite lineage.

Nazi thugs and sadistic criminals, Project Paperclip…the next thing you know we have Gottlieb and MK-ULTRA.

Btw, MK-ULTRA connections keep rearing their head in the Remote Viewing programs. It's really creepy, and significant I think. The RV'ers were also susceptible to dissociative states (think MPD) and a plethora of other mental plagues.

You got anything on that, Drew?

Sidney Gottlieb & MK-Ultra:

In April 1953 Sidney Gottlieb headed the secret Project MKULTRA which was activated on the order of CIA director Allen Dulles. Gottlieb was known for administration of '___' and other psycho-active drugs to unwitting subjects and for financing psychiatric research and development of "techniques that would crush the human psyche to the point that it would admit anything." He sponsored physicians such as Ewen Cameron and Harris Isbell in controversial psychiatric research that used unwitting humans as guinea pigs. Many people suffered serious adverse effects from research financed by Gottlieb and the Rockefeller Foundation.


Dr. Sidney Gottlieb approved of an MKULTRA subproject on '___' in this June 9, 1953 letter.
In March 1960, under The Cuban Project, a CIA plan approved by President Eisenhower and under the direction of CIA Directorate for Plans, Richard M. Bissell, Gottlieb came up with ideas to spray Fidel Castro's television studio with '___' and to saturate Castro's shoes with thallium so that the hair of his beard would fall out. Gottlieb also hatched schemes to assassinate Castro, including the use of a poisoned cigar, a poisoned wetsuit, an exploding conch shell, and a poisonous fountain pen.

He also tried to have Iraq's General Abdul Karim Qassim's handkerchief contaminated with botulinum. Less known was an operation within the CIA's Phoenix Program in Vietnam where a team of CIA psychologists performed mind control experiments on NLF suspects being detained at Bien Hoa Prison outside of Saigon.

He was the liaison to the military subcontractor Lockheed, then working on Project Aquatone for the C.I.A. which would later be known as the U-2 spy plane. Lockheed, it should be noted, was part of Operation Paperclip, and thus had former Nazi scientists working undercover. In 1953 he procured a Safe House for L.A.S.D. (Lockheed Aeronautics Services Division) which would have easy egress for secretive affairs.

While MK-Ultra was officially disbanded, other programs such as Operation Chickwit continued working on essentially the same programs. The scope of MKULTRA was very broad and contained programs which involved behavioral psychology, working with teens for C.I.A. recruiting programs and with gangs and troubled populations, hypnosis, prostitution, and possibly the continuation of some of the Nazi programs of human testing outlawed at Nuremberg, namely those involving cancer.
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by The GUT


Yep that's me.

So is that you on the stairs? haha.

O.K. have you seen this Dan Smith interview about his relationship with CIA "tom" aka "keeper of all things weird" on r.v. ufology, the Aviary, etc,

I'm checking out more from Paranoia Magazine -- but Dan Smith clearly "takes the bait" with Kit Green I presume. Well they redid their website - that's the only thing I could find that's worth linking imo.

On the remote viewers and multiple personality disorders and MKUltra -- well it makes sense since the CIA creates multiple personality disorders for their Manchurian Candidate training and also creates remote viewers.

Are you referring to the various Project Camelot interviews? those Project Camelot people seem to post any kind of crazy interview they can find -- most of it is total bunk or even disinfo.

But obviously someone like Ewen Cameron being the director of World Psychiatric Association or whatever and at the same time doing MKUltra mind control experiments to erase people's personalities -- with now some of the victims getting legally compensated -- I mean I wonder if he was connected at all to remote viewing.

Dr. Bateson and Dr. Louis Joylon West were apostils of Aldous Huxley. Huxley was the godfather of '___', and Esalen Institute. Esalen’s first brochure was based on a series of 1961 lectures of Aldous Huxley. Huxley also encouraged Dr. West to combine '___' with his “spook” hypnosis experiments. In 1981, Dr. Bateson died at Big Sur, home to Esalen. Dr. Silverman joined Esalen directly out of NIMH in 1965 right after the CIA initiated the highly classified Project Pandora. Project Pandora involved Russia’s covert experimental use of extremely low electromagnetic frequencies (ELF) to bombard the U.S. Embassy in Russia. The NIMH was a conduit for CIA funding of covert mind control experiments, and was involved in funding research directly involved in Project Pandora. Dr. Silverman had been a research psychologist at the National Institute of Mental Health, a notorious MK-ULTRA institution. While at NIMH, Silverman authored over 50 papers on subjects ranging from perceptual style to schizophrenia and shamanism.

So Dr. Louis Joylon West worked with Ewen Cameron I think and then you get the remote viewers tied in: --

He came up dead in 1973 in Las Vegas casino hotel allegedly by food poisoning. Price’s death may have something to do with the assassination of Bobby Baker, Watergate, and the White House Gemstone Project. Baker was a Beverly Hills drug dealer, and an insider of the Howard Hughes affair. Richard Price died in 1984 following a freak and suspicious accident while rock climbing at Big Sur. During that time, Esalen Institute was heavily involved in exchanging information and visits with Russian parapsychology, and Tesla technology scientist. Who was Berkeley’s mayor during the Hearst kidnapping? Warren Widener, another former Air Force intelligence officer. Dr. West was also positively associated with the U.S. Air Force. He was a former U.S. Air Force Major. Colston Westbrook was another former U.S. Air Force Intelligence Officer. Both Westbrook and Dr. West worked on Korean-Russian-Chinese brainwashing and deception research projects after the Korean War. Master Hypnotist, Dr. William Bryan Jennings, and cult expert Dr. Margaret Singer of Cal, also worked with the Air Force intelligence on the Korean-Russian brainwashing research projects. Dr. West was the CIA consultant to Dr. James A. Hamilton and his covert mind control projects at Vacaville Prison, particularly, the Black Cultural Association (BCA). The BCA was a CIA mind control research program. BCA was run under banner of UC Berkeley for cover. Colston Westbrook was UC Berkeley’s outside community coordinator for the BCA-CIA project at Vacaville.

My only connection is I used to put out an activist newsletter with a few other activists one of whom was Sarah Jane Olson aka kathleen Soliah of the SLA. I didn't know it at the time and when I found out I posted on my email activist list that she should use this CIA MKULTRA expose as her main defense. She emailed me asking me to write this for a local radical free weekly newspaper. I didn't do it just because -- well for various reasons.

Anyway lots of good info in that link on nonlethal weapons for mind control.

Monarch: The new Phoenix Program - googlebook review link

Originally posted by fulllotusqigong
So is that you on the stairs? haha.

Touche.

I'll check out the other material you posted later. Gotta step away from the 'putter for a minute, but from your first link:

DS. From the beginning I was very open about my government contact. I began to network with some folks in the UFO community who were interested in sharing information.

Through Tom I was put in contact with some other members of the Aviary and this all became grist for the mill. There was a lot of comparing notes and checking of information on both sides. At one point some of my UFO colleagues persuaded the CIA/IG (Inspector General) to conduct an internal investigation of Tom relative to his unusual methods of collecting information.

JD: Can you elaborate on these “unusual methods” and the implications of this generally in the field of civilian Ufology?


DS: Well, there was the fact that he was involved in domestic collections. He was making provocative statements to me about the possible presence of ET’s. He spoke freely of his involvement with other members of the Aviary. On several occasions we met at ‘nightclubs.’

He had ‘indelicate’ conversations with a female researcher. It was far from clear what was in the line of duty. He was interviewed by an IG officer. He reported answering all the questions directly, but told the officer that he could not answer any questions about ETs.

paranoiamagazine.com...

Oh, btw: Project Cama-Duped? No, I'm with you on that one!

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I am sorry to say so, but Mr. Smith comes across as precisely one of those unfortunates Green likes to wrap an MRI around. Also, the Doctor seems to have a thing for subjects w/ Messiah complexes. No lack of evidence of that in the interview. "Second coming" every other sentence.

Otherwise a tangle of proto-memes that have since been refined and homogenized. Wouldn't it be funny if they were sourcing their narratives from the more creative fish in the Aquarium?

But this:

JD: It concerns me that Tom, CIA “keeper of the weird,” with his “unusual methods,” might be pulling your leg. Does this not concern you?


DS: If there were proof that this was not a joke, that proof might easily trigger a financial panic, for instance. One has to proceed with great caution and virtual deniability. It is fair to say that we are pushing that envelope.

And this:

...Whose agenda is it that the Aviary is trying to shake down?

DS: The larger agenda is eschatology. We presume that this is God’s agenda, but it doesn’t hurt to kick the tires once in awhile, just to make sure.

Are priceless.

Originally posted by Eidolon23
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I am sorry to say so, but Mr. Smith comes across as precisely one of those unfortunates Green likes to wrap an MRI around. Also, the Doctor seems to have a thing for subjects w/ Messiah complexes. No lack of evidence of that in the interview. "Second coming" every other sentence.

Otherwise a tangle of proto-memes that have since been refined and homogenized. Wouldn't it be funny if they were sourcing their narratives from the more creative amongst the test loonies?

Funny, I was gonna address just that in my next post. Poor Dan. Played like a kid on a Snipe hunt.

His value to us, however, comes in the observations he makes about the personalities of the crew. I bet they hate that, and yet he's handy for meme-injection.

As always, Eidy:

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GUT...it is the Crowd Screams for Blood statement I would like to address. Contrary to popular belief...and this belief has good reasons to exist as as the U.S. Government and Military thought that there was going to be an ALL OUT NUCLEAR WAR...many Criminal things were done to U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and the General Population.

Although I believe there will always be a level of some abuse...the Many People I have Worked With over several Decades ALWAYS had the best interests of the American People in mind. I believe this is even true when an individuals carrier was destroyed over a FACT that they came too close to and even after being WARNED...they continued on a Crusade. It is hard to justify actions such as these but if people understood the STAKES...they would be inclined to agree.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS! Believe me on that one because NEVER DOES AN HOUR GO BY...that I do not think about things that I would rather FORGET! Yet....when I look back...I am gratified that I was the person making some Hard Choices and not others who have little if any Conscience. My Conscience will not leave me alone. It is there 24/7 and I NEVER FORGET! The thing is...despite my discomfort...I am glad I am a person who is bothered by these things rather than being someone who could care less.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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GUT...it is the Crowd Screams for Blood statement I would like to address. Contrary to popular belief...and this belief has good reasons to exist as as the U.S. Government and Military thought that there was going to be an ALL OUT NUCLEAR WAR...many Criminal things were done to U.S. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and the General Population.

...I believe this is even true when an individuals carrier was destroyed over a FACT that they came too close to and even after being WARNED...they continued on a Crusade. It is hard to justify actions such as these but if people understood the STAKES...they would be inclined to agree.

Is that a "warning", Split?

Ends justifies the means, eh? What if the agencies were overly-paranoid and nothing-of-the-such (Nuclear Armageddon) was really on the menu?

Would the--"well we thought we were gonna be nuked but we were wrong sorry 'bout all the mind-effings and deaths"-- ends still justify the means?

Okay, y'all remember Dr. Sidney Gottlieb:

In 1951, Gottlieb joined the Central Intelligence Agency. As a poison expert, he headed the chemical division of the Technical Services Staff (TSS). Gottlieb became known as the "Black Sorcerer" and the "Dirty Trickster." He supervised preparations of lethal poisons and experiments in mind control.

www.enotes.com...

"Dirty Trickster," his momma must've been so proud. Dr. Sidney Gottlieb was the early funding magician of the remote viewing program.

When the CIA learned of these studies the obvious question was, ‘Do we have such a potential?' At this juncture, the United States did not have such a capability, nor had they ever really considered it−until now. If all these other "agencies" are involved, then why we not involved? It was clear that the principal intelligence agency for the United States needed to "catch up" to the intelligence collection efforts of the others−at least in this "alternative" method of gathering intelligence.

Late in 1972, CIA scientist Sidney Gottlieb, Chief of the Technical Services Division procured a rather large monetary endowment to initiate the research project that began it all. If the Soviets, and the others were as heavily involved in this research as was being reported−the National Security of the United States could be in jeopardy. Probably, the simple notion that this "eerie capability" might really be out there; and the possibility that we could do it as well, almost certainly drove the CIA's decision process.

www.davidmorehousebooks.com...

Hypnosis and Rving and dissociative states, oh my:

Though the most prominently discussed aspect of MKULTRA is the CIA's '___' work, the program included many other unusual investigations relating to the science of mind control. CIA researchers probed the potential of numerous parapsychological phenomena, including hypnosis, telepathy, precognition, photokinesis and "remote viewing."

all.net...

There's a quote somewhere where Doc Green makes a statement giving Sid Gottlieb a big thumbs up. Anyone know where that can be found?

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No Warnings GUT! LOL! There is nothing going on this board that would even JUSTIFY a warning of any kind.

I agree with you on too many times has the statement...THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS...been used to cover up Criminal Action. I am against this in every way. I only deal...and I am retiring...with issues that are very clear cut as I will REFUSE a JOB that I feel is unwarranted. This does not mean another team was not sent out.

Overall...I am Proud of the things I have done. There are a few issues that haunt me...but this is the nature of JOBS such as these. I have done things for the greater good and they have been specific. There have been JOBS that were not so clear cut...and have fallen under the statement we were describing.

I am a Man of Peace...but if you had seen the things that I have...you would find it hard not to pick up a rock and bash some peoples Brains in! Of this I am certain! Split Infinity

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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No Warnings GUT! LOL! There is nothing going on this board that would even JUSTIFY a warning of any kind.

Glad to hear it, Split, glad to hear it. For a minute there I was afraid I had ticked somebody off. Whew!

Glad to hear, also, that some of our black ops assassins are really just big ol' cuddly teddy-bears with big hearts.

I'll sleep better now, and may your retirement dreams be filled with joy & innocence.

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Not all of them are so Cuddly! Sometimes people have to be taken out of the field as they begin to ENJOY IT! This is not a good thing and it means something drastically wrong is going on inside their head. These people are trained to be Pro's.

It is all about the JOB and nothing else. Sometimes a person becomes warped. They forget the objective is not to Kill but to SOLVE THE PROBLEM! Sometimes there is no choice but KILLING just breeds HATE. The objective is to find a common ground that will be good for both sides. This is why people must be hand picked. A sure sign of a problem is a person who is too eager to go. The only reason I still go...and not for long...is Loyalty to my Team.
Split Infinity

The Ends Justify the Means

George Hunter White was an FBI man co-opted by the CIA for MK-ULTRA duty and the gig he named, "Operation Climax" detailed below:

There were at least three CIA safe houses in the Bay Area where experiments went on. Chief among them was 225 Chestnut on Telegraph Hill, which operated from 1955 to 1965. The L-shaped apartment boasted sweeping waterfront views, and was just a short trip up the hill from North Beach's rowdy saloons.

George Hunter White

Inside, prostitutes paid by the government to lure clients to the apartment served up acid-laced cocktails to unsuspecting johns, while martini-swilling secret agents observed their every move from behind a two-way mirror. Recording devices were installed, some disguised as electrical outlets.

To get the guys in the mood, the walls were adorned with photographs of tortured women in bondage and provocative posters from French artist Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec.

The agents grew fascinated with the kinky sex games that played out between the johns and the hookers. The two-way mirror in the bedroom gave the agents a close-up view of all the action.
www.sfweekly.com...

Dr. Sidney Gottlieb

A little more about George White and Sidney Gottlieb:

"[White] was a real hard head," said Ritchie, who regularly ran into him in courtrooms and law enforcement offices in downtown San Francisco. "All of his agents were pretty much afraid to do anything without his full approval. White would turn on them, physically. He was a big tough guy."

American chemist Sidney Gottlieb was the brains behind White's brawn. It was the height of McCarthyism in the early '50s, and government intelligence leaders, claiming fear of communist regimes, were using hallucinogens to induce confessions from prisoners of war held in Korea, and brainwash spies into changing allegiances.

What better way to examine the effects of '___' than to dose unsuspecting citizens in New York City and San Francisco?
www.sfweekly.com...

Let's look at the resignation letter George Hunter White wrote to his boss Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, and see what an "ends justifies the means" attitude does to a psyche and value system:

By all accounts, White enjoyed the undercover work he was doing. Perhaps a little too much. He would write in a 1971 letter to Gottlieb,

"Of course I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill and cheat, steal, deceive, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest? Pretty Good Stuff, Brudder!"

www.sfweekly.com...

Where else indeed! Yeah, they had fun. If you can call it that, but the absolute power did the deal. Sidney Gottlieb even took delight in dosing patriots. Like Frank Olson:

One of the key figures in these projects was Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, still the head of TSD in late 1972, when the division awarded Hal Puthoff his first psi research contract.

Though Gottlieb's MK-ULTRA work had been approved at the highest levels, he would come to be seen, in congessional hearings in the mid and late 1970's, as the personification of a CIA running out of control. He had been the one who put '___' in Frank Olson's drink.

Remote Viewers: The Secret History of America's Psychic Spies By Jim Schnabel

Frank Olson

Frank Olson (July 17, 1910 – November 28, 1953) was a U.S. Army biological warfare specialist employed at Fort Detrick in Maryland. Believed to have committed suicide in 1953 as a result of depression, he was later revealed to have been exposed to '___' and other psychoactive drugs as part of experiments, raising suspicion that he had been assassinated by the CIA

...On the second day of the retreat, after dinner, Gottlieb spiked a bottle of Cointreau with a small quantity of a substance that he and his TSS colleagues privately referred to as "serunin" but which was in fact lysergic acid diethylamide, or '___'."

Dr. Sidney "Dirty Trickster" Gottlieb. "A little means for the ends in your Cointreau, Frank. Muah-Ha-Ha"

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PSI-OPS, CIA, Cults, and E.T.

Bizarro world when intelligence ops meet black ops meet psi-ops meet E.T.:

In 1952, the CIA initiated an extensive program involving the search for, and development of, exceptionally gifted individuals who could approximate perfect success in ESP performance. The Office of Security, which ran the ARTICHOKE project, was urged to follow all leads on individuals reported to have true clairvoyant powers so as to be able to subject their claims to rigorous scientific investigation.


The CIA began infiltrating séances and occult gatherings during the 1950s, which may explain why they were interested in a bizarre UFO/medium case in Maine in 1959. A memo dated April 9, 1953, refers to a domestic - and therefore illegal - operation that required the planting of a very specialized observer at a séance in order to obtain a broad surveillance of all individuals attending the meetings. 


During the late 1960s, the CIA experimented with mediums in an attempt to contact and possibly debrief dead CIA agents. These attempts, according to Victor Marchetti, a former high-ranking CIA official, were part of a larger effort to harness psychic powers for various intelligence-related missions (PROJECT SCANATE) that included utilizing clairvoyants to divine the intentions of the Kremlin leadership.

www.conspiracy-times.com...

PSI-OPS, CIA, Cults, and E.T.

Philip Lamy, cultural anthropologist, stated: "I really believe that UFOlogy is going to be the next world religion... The idea that there are super-evolved intelligent beings out there is one that appeals to a lot of people." An examination of the subtext of the Contact Scenario reveals another, even more disquieting, aspect:

Incongruous as it may seem when dealing with manipulation by military and intelligence agencies, it is undeniable that that the message that ultimately emerges is essentially religious or spiritual in nature.

...For example, the explanation that William Moore was given by his AFOSI handler Richard Doty for the government's withholding of information about UFOs was that public revelations about the existence of extraterrestrials would have a profound impact on the world's religions, through a recognition of their influence on the origins and history of the human race.

This was exactly the same message fed to Linda Moulton Howe by Doty: the "secret briefing paper"… stated that the Grey aliens had actually created the human race through genetic manipulation millions of years ago.

In other words, the aliens are our creators. And they have continued to watch over us ever since, guiding the progress of human civilization - especially the shaping of mankind's religious beliefs. It should suffice as proof that someone was using UFOlogy as parts of a religious framework.

The same message emerged from the alien 'ambassadors' in Area 51. According to the alleged leaks, their communications were more concerned with spiritual matters, such as life after death and the destiny of mankind, than with astrophysics or technology.

Perhaps most disturbing of all is the increasingly religious aspect to the abduction phenomenon. Abductees see themselves not as victims, but as people chosen to bring a spiritual message from the extraterrestrials to the world...Many abductees speak of the 'quickening', a building up to some momentous event that will take place in the next few years, similar to the Apocalypse of Christianity.

...stripped of its science-fiction trappings, the underlying message of the Contact Scenario is a familiar one. The aliens created us, they have guided us from behind the scenes throughout history, and now, in the hour of our greatest need, they are about to return to save us…From their cosmic perspective they can give us the answers to all the questions with which the human race has ever wrestled.

They bring the promise of salvation on a personal and global level. All of this can be seen as a restatement - or updating - of the major tenets of the traditional Western religions. Even the idea that there are good and evil alien races engaged in a struggle for Earth parallels the battle between God and his angels and the Devil and his demons - the perennial theme of the war between Light and Dark.

Is a new religion being created for the new millennium - a religion in which the gods have become highly advanced extraterrestrial beings? A religion that will appeal to the more technological and materialist world-view of today's West, but which retains all the promises - and threats - of traditional Western religions? In the final analysis, all organised religions have been a means of social control, and, we fear, the new religion will be no exception.

Such a scenario may seem extreme. However, the evidence that is available to each and all "out there" makes it clear that the public perception of the UFO phenomenon - and in particular of alien contact - has, from the outset, been guided and manipulated by powerful terrestrial forces.

Especially in the last three decades, a great deal of time, energy and resources have been expended on implanting the Contact Scenario into the collective consciousness. Whatever the objective of such a conspiracy, it is clear that those behind it are playing for very high stakes.

www.conspiracy-times.com...

This is a post that I scribbled up in response to one of TG's posts. I found it in the folder that I keep for this thread and thought that I would go ahead and post it. Primarily because I think the 'Ashby's Law' stuff is important. Also, I realize that I am always pointing this kind of stuff out but: the ATS HTML input window knows how to spell 'Ashby's Law'. ...


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Hi TG,

Before I dig in I just wanted to say that I hope you'll excuse me for using analogies from things like traffic, rock and roll and Conan (yeah, the barbarian) and that sort of thing as I happen to think that, despite the fact that we are taken to be drunken woo-woo-loons with too much time on our hands , this thread is operating at a high level of cognition and I don't see any need to gild the lily.

Not just learning how to sway and covertly coerce (the stand-off modality) but also contain within itself a degree of impetus for a increasingly fractured society?

Regarding stand-off modality and what I assume you must mean to be a directed effort to fracture society? I think I have you right on that:

Yipperdoodles. As far as I can tell, in it's most malignant possible form, their particular brand of stand-off modality is something akin to what Conan thinks is good: seeing the enemy driven before you and hearing the lamentations of the women.

A far as the 'driving the enemy before you' part. I am hoping I can get a little help from everyone here on the thread with that. More brains are better than one.

I suspect that they are drawing their tactics in some way from systems theory and as I mentioned, cybernetics. Have you ever heard of Ashby's Law or The Law of Requisite Variety?

If a system is to be stable the number of states of its control mechanism must be greater than or equal to the number of states in the system being controlled. Ashby states the Law as "only variety can absorb variety".
He sees this as aiding the study of problems in biology and a "wealth of possible applications".

en.wikipedia.org...

I am wondering if those that are able to create these states and see that they are implemented (somehow) are those that control the total state of the system. If the system lacks narrative variety there is a problem. And the idea here is that people by their nature will move to fill the vacuum. But if one can anticipate the next loci of narrative influence and be johnny on the spot? Hmmm?

That is why I get the 'driven before you' imagery. I see them attempting to drive groups and maybe societies into, I suppose, 'narrative pens'. And then these particular folk like to watch and take notes.

If one were a Globalist, is all CT good CT? Even this? Now THAT is a strange loop.

Yeah, even this, especially this I'd wager; that did not escape me either, TG. It is amazing to me that as our circles have wound tighter and tighter on this the more and more we have been able to link to primarily resources within ATS.




There was more on Peter J. Beter, but I am going to go ahead and hold on to my cards for the time being.

X.

Originally posted by Xoanon
I am wondering if those that are able to create these states and see that they are implemented (somehow) are those that control the total state of the system. If the system lacks narrative variety there is a problem. And the idea here is that people by their nature will move to fill the vacuum. But if one can anticipate the next loci of narrative influence and be johnny on the spot? Hmmm?

That is why I get the 'driven before you' imagery. I see them attempting to drive groups and maybe societies into, I suppose, 'narrative pens'. And then these particular folk like to watch and take notes.

Yeah, I imagine the note-taking and algorithmic processing is at hyper-level with all the NDAA stuff on the boards right now.

Yeah, even this, especially this I'd wager; that did not escape me either, TG. It is amazing to me that as our circles have wound tighter and tighter on this the more and more we have been able to link to primarily resources within ATS.

The push for implementation of globalization is a foregone conclusion I reckon'. The "containment" of counter-narrative has deftly ensconced us here.

The kid that won't shut up is nothing more than minor annoyance...but sometimes all we're left with is a small window of opportunity to be a pain in tha' ass.

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The kid that won't shut up is nothing more than minor annoyance...but sometimes all we're left with is a small window of opportunity to be a pain in tha' ass.

That's OK, all we need is a small point of ingress/egress and we can begin to pull all of their furniture and belongings out on to the lawn.

Unauthorized Yard Sale: The Novel.



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"ALL Ur Brainz r Belong to Us" or "Tea, with your mind-effing, Sir"

...And how the leading proponents for the "disclosure" of extraterrestials have been military careerists or intelligence assets, while the most noisome "researchers" supporting the ET hypothesis have also been disseminators of military disinformation. Or how, suddenly, the loudest voices for "9/11 Truth" are those of former Bush aides and lifelong Republicans, beating the drum for - dig it - no passenger aircraft having struck the World Trade Center.

It's more than just theme and content that evoke The Outer Limits. It's our uncritical digestion of dubious information that becomes our fattening hobby. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical.... Sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. If we're open to all channels and lack the discernment to know what we're watching, we're nothing but passive consumers of conspiratainment.

rigorousintuition.blogspot.com...

What could it mean? IDK.

Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies, from the National Research Council, identifies and explores several specific research areas that have implications for U.S. national security, and should therefore be monitored consistently by the intelligence community. These areas include:

1. neurophysiological advances in detecting and measuring indicators of psychological states and intentions of individuals

2. the development of drugs or technologies that can alter human physical or cognitive abilities

www.nap.edu...

So we have been all over number three. But what about these two?

These two bring to mind a favorite science fiction novel wherein the protagonist finds himself in a situation analogous to that of humankind vis-a-vis these 'drugs or technologies' that are being developed in the project cited above.

The novel is called The Stars My Destination and it was written by Alfred Bester. The book was way ahead of its time and was written in 1956.

The protagonist, Gully Foyle, has had a full facial Maori-type mask tattooed on his mug, early in the first chapter. He is seeking revenge and is finally able to have the tattoo removed so that he can better pursue his quarry.

Problem is though, that when Gully gets angry or even especially emotional, the deep scarring from the tattoo removal turns red and lights up the old pattern making it really easy to i.d. him.

So the author, Bester, has his character, in 1956, learn yoga in order to control his emotions so tightly that the tattoo does not light up.

Anyhow, I know that is obscure, but I do dig the possible analogy.

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Anyone who doesn't feel the magnetic brain bliss from the Equinox is already mind-controlled.

Modern society lacks yoga so as Gurdjieff says -- people are ruled by their Kundabuffer.

Gurdjieff stated that the dominant life on Earth has to help the Moon spiritually grow as the Moon controls life on Earth through electrochemical energy. Modern society is based on Solar left-brain mathematics that cuts off the brain from the pineal gland Moon connection.