Alien Contacts

Originally posted by Rubicant13
Interesting. So... because it hasn't fallen outside anything that could be attributed to psychological phenomena, what you seem to be implying is that this experience could not have happened beyond the confines of psychological reasons - i.e. mental illness, overactive imagination or possible auditory and visual hallucinations.
I'll be honest, these seem like the deductions of a person who has never had these experiences and is biased due to their lack of that kind of experience. Narrow minded thinking being expounded by analytical reasoning based on a lack of personal said similar experiences is hardly reasoning at all. As far as your statement of the purported behavior of the person you are quoting not seeming like sensible, well reasoned behavior goes, your opinion of that behavior means absolutely nothing. You are not the paradigm of behavior in the aforementioned experiences, seeing as you are skeptical to the event being anything outside of the psychological realm in the first place.
Explaining to the person that you are quoting that the sound they had heard was only a sound and that they "psyched" themselves out and further making a comparison to this in connection with imagination therein creating illusions to rationalize this experience relating to this sound is once again, taking the stance of complete disbelief that this person did not experience what he has. It does not make it true in any sense, because you did not have the experience yourself and is ridiculous. I for one, would find it offensive. The self fulfilling prophecy line that you mentioned is offensive as well, stating that they have attached disillusioned significance beyond reason is absolutely abhorrently ridiculous. Who are you to say that their experience was an imagined experience based on a sound that they had heard and their mind created a "disillusioned" framework within their own mind to rationalize and make sense of the experience itself?? You don't even suggest that it's a possibility that it's the case, you state it in a way that explains it in your own terms adapted to YOUR framework of thinking based on these articles that you have presented as if it's all that could have happened. This is a very arrogant assertion based upon your understanding and skepticism of such experiences. People that have had, or believe that they have had these experiences do not need to be pandered to by you, by whom the stance in every way comes off as completely narrow minded, seeing only one way that these experiences could have happened - your own. Here's an idea. Why don't you go and seek out paranormal experiences of your own? Presenting an argument as the truth without ever experiencing what others have stated that they have, is completely ridiculous. Without that experience, who are you to state that the experience is most likely your explanation? Have a bona fide paranormal experience yourself and then see if the events in the experience was your imagination or the result of "imagination" or possible mental imbalance.

Once again, I've supported my assertions and commentary with documentation, links, and proper citation.
Please provide legitimate scholarly citation that discounts or at least challenges the citations I've stood upon.

Otherwise, your opinion, regardless of how passionately you feel about it, has no foundation to stand on, and is just an uninformed opinion made from emotional bias and knee jerk response without any real study into what's actually being debated.

Read the papers I posted links to on page 1 of this thread.
Read through the other citations listed, sometimes more than once, throughout this thread.

If you have documentation that can challenge these sources, then, we may have something interesting by way of civilized and source supported debate to examine.

Further, you make accusatory statements along the lines of labeling any Pschyo-social explanation as being "Mentally Ill"

For the record, I've made no assertions regarding anything in terms of "Mental Illness". Proposing I've said anything such is a lie.

Also, for the THIRD time, see the following:

Quoting myself

For those unfamiliar with these, though there's a relationship with the more well known Schizophrenia, Schizotypy isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing.
There is such a state as "Healthy" Schizotypy:

Although aiming to reflect some of the features present in diagnosable mental illness, schizotypy does not necessarily imply that someone who is more schizotypal than someone else is more ill. For example, certain aspects of schizotypy may be beneficial. Both the Unusual experiences and Cognitive disorganisation aspects have been linked to Creativity and academic achievement. Jackson proposed the concept of ‘benign schizotypy’ in relation to certain classes of religious experience, which he suggested might be regarded as a form of problem-solving and therefore of adaptive value. The link between positive schizotypy and certain facets of creativity is consistent with the notion of a "healthy schizotypy", which may account for the persistence of schizophrenia-related genes in the population despite their many dysfunctional aspects.

I encourage those unfamiliar with, or biased against Psychological classifications to educate yourselves.
"Crazy" is not a clinical designation, but a societal perception.

Schizotypy in some ways, considering the creative aspects associated with healthy subjects, could be like having Synesthesia which is actually quite a wonderful and fascinating condition.

I further encourage folks to read the papers I linked on page one of this thread. There's nothing to be scared of by reading the material. You might learn something, even if you disagree.

reply to post by Druscilla


Those sources mean nothing when trying to make sense of experiences that go beyond the confines of the psyche. They are looking at from only the psychological explanation to these matters, not as a possible experiences beyond their understanding of such experiences, and are completely biased within the confines of their professions. As far as proof of the paranormal is concerned, I have investigated it for 14 years of my life, and have documented it with audio recordings as well as photos and full motion video. It will never be posted here, due to the fact that all things posted here become the property of ATS. It is my evidence, I and will never give up the rights of it to anyone outside of my paranormal investigation group. My evidence has been studied and verified as genuine and authenticated by well known groups of the same ilk. I believe the paranormal to be %100 real and provable through years of research and investigation, but to anyone that disbelieves, I will not ram it down their throats as imperical evidence. That's for them to decide. It's arrogant to do so. These citations that you reference however, are just that arrogant as to explaining such things as the most likely way that these things manifest - psychologically. Their credibility as the one and only true way to explain such occurrences is utter garbage in my eyes. Sometimes it is a psychological impairment, or a case of imaginations running wild. Other times I do not believe that to be the case.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Those sources mean nothing when trying to make sense of experiences that go beyond the confines of the psyche. They are looking at from only the psychological explanation to these matters, not as a possible experiences beyond their understanding of such experiences, and are completely biased within the confines of their professions.

The same can be said about any paranormal "researcher", even more so in consideration that such researchers hold no academic credibility or legitimacy to stand on that would hold them to a true and scientific pursuit and approach to the subject in concern.
Unlike the assertion that the psychological model is biased, it follows rigorous scientific principle, and maintains oversight with peer review.

In case you are unfamiliar with the concept of peer review, peer review is a process where other scientists, academics and professionals alike challenge the work in attempt to find flaws and faults with any proposed hypothetical or relevant material put forward in the community.

In the paranormal, or fringe community, the process is more of a gushing and goshing over materials put forward among peers with much back-patting all around, much less any real hard criticism in examining the subject from a scientific perspective.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

As far as proof of the paranormal is concerned, I have investigated it for 14 years of my life, and have documented it with audio recordings as well as photos and full motion video. It will never be posted here, due to the fact that all things posted here become the property of ATS. It is my evidence, I and will never give up the rights of it to anyone outside of my paranormal investigation group. My evidence has been studied and verified as genuine and authenticated by well known groups of the same ilk. I believe the paranormal to be %100 real and provable through years of research and investigation, but to anyone that disbelieves, I will not ram it down their throats as imperical evidence. That's for them to decide. It's arrogant to do so. These citations that you reference however, are just that arrogant as to explaining such things as the most likely way that these things manifest - psychologically. Their credibility as the one and only true way to explain such occurrences is utter garbage in my eyes. Sometimes it is a psychological impairment, or a case of imaginations running wild. Other times I do not believe that to be the case.

edit on 2-9-2012 by Rubicant13 because: (no reason given)

Thus, again, we have no proof to exemplify any claim.

All we have is arrogant personalized boasting where such arrogant personalized boasting even goes so far as to label tried, true, peer reviewed, and accepted doctrine in the scientific community as arrogant in and of itself. where such scientific doctrine makes no personal boasts or claims, but instead presents data and commentary on data where such commentary and data is tested in the community and either accepted or rejected.

Reviewed by other groups? Please see my previous statement about actual scientific peer review.
True peer review is a crash test of brutal hard criticism that attempts to rip the supporting data as well as any assertions made in accompanying commentary to shreds.
There's no gushing and goshing, or back patting.

Also, no one in the scientific community says "I've been doing 'research' for 14 years, so everything I say must be true even though I won't show any proof of it because I have excuses, so just believe what I say because I'm right."

That is, of course a paraphrasing of your own statement, but, no one in the community does that.
Data is collected, organized, studied, commented on, where then the community either validates the indications exampled in the resulting data and commentary, or, the data and commentary are rejected.

There is no personal argument in science.
Einstein never said "I'm Einstein, so I must be right". One of the Founding Fathers psychology, Sigmund Freud argued bitterly with his contemporary friend and rival Carl Jung, both toward the advancement of the scientific examination of Human Psychology.

If you don't present your sacred fragile little snowflake of data for crash testing and hard criticism in the public forum, published such that it can come under criticism at any time, then, you have nothing of import or relevance to add to the conversation other than hot air.

The citations I've presented have been crash tested.
Further, despite any contrary claims, these abduction experiences have still been replicated in the lab with the same results presenting as those passionately claimed as real physical encounters.

ET don't surf.

reply to post by Druscilla


Arrogant boasting?? lmao!! I'm not the one who tells people on here their experiences did not happen the way they recall them. I called you on pandering to someone about their experience that fits the rules of "sense" in your mind. You can mock me if you want, but the integrity of what I do, is far more important to me and the rights to my files than any evidence of any claims of proof that you desire. They belong to mine and my group. These "crash tested" claims does not mean that all encounters that have happened on any paranormal scale have not happened. That's just narrow minded thinking. After all the psychologists were there when these things happened, right? Please. Stay in your box. After all its you're right to believe whatever you want. Go on, keep telling people that they are mistaken about their experiences. I forgot you were there too. Discredit, disparage and what else you need to. Tell people that the way things happened, no matter what type of paranormal experience they had, was in their head. They are all just mentally unwell.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

You can mock me if you want, but the integrity of what I do, is far more important to me and the rights to my files than any evidence of any claims of proof that you desire. They belong to mine and my group. These "crash tested" claims does not mean that all encounters that have happened on any paranormal scale have not happened. That's just narrow minded thinking. After all the psychologists were there when these things happened, right? Please. Stay in your box. After all its you're right to believe whatever you want. Go on, keep telling people that they are mistaken about their experiences. I forgot you were there too. Discredit, disparage and what else you need to. Tell people that the way things happened, no matter what type of paranormal experience they had, was in their head. They are all just mentally unwell.

Have you considered at all that the documentation and sources I've provided have attribution of rights?
I link them, and quote the citations.
This does not compromise attribution rights.
If I post a video belonging to someone else, a video with copyright attribution, the video isn't suddenly property of ATS.

For instance: Here's an article in Psychology Today, attributed to authorship by Stephen A. Diamond, Ph.D., Published on May 12, 2012 -
Ancient Aliens, The Collective Unconscious and the Quest for Meaning

Now that I've posted the article, has Psychology Today, or the author suddenly relinquished ownership without consent to ATS?
Nope.
What if I posted some text from the Article?

The ancient alien faithful find it difficult to accept that historically, human beings are entirely capable of creating cities, building temples, moving massive stones for miles, inventing technology, art, religion and constructing fantastic mythological stories and images based solely on their personal, spiritual and collective experiences. And have been doing so since the dawn of civilization.

Is any of that text now suddenly magically 'owned' by ATS without consent from Psychology Today or the Author?
Nope again.

Your understanding of copyright attribution and intellectual property ownership I posit requires some education as well as your understanding of how science works.

Further, you continue to perpetuate the LIE indicating I've made statements in this thread about people being "unwell".
"Unwell", "mentally ill", and "crazy" are not clinical designations. These are ignorant laymen attributions given a nonunderstanding of a complex science.

Have fun with all that.
Until you can give proper citation for civilized argument supported by peer group documentation, your arguments facing mine are basically invalid.
You haven't even attempted to cite sources from any university Department of Parapsychology.
Thus, there is no argument or debate.
My sources and commentary assertions stand until otherwise challenged properly.

To be honest, I find many of the reports of abduction and contact disturbing in nature, if they are infact, factual, I believe some are. I also find the whole movement towards weird theology and idolizing other beings disturbing as well as this opens up a person to be manipulated. Perhapes most disturbing is how people excuse what is clearly disturbing. I'm not saying all of these beings are sinister, but there is certainly something going on in some of these encounters that are not OK and from my own experiences with the diversity of beings, there are certainly entities which cannot be trusted and who make deception an art form. It is never wise to trust anyone but yourself and your Higher Power if you believe in one, one should always be on guard (but not paranoid), even if the entity should appear like an angel and radiate exquisite love. If they are truly an entity worth while, they will understand and even expect such precaution.

I have what looks like scar tissue on my left foot, on the inside. I've had this since I was 11, and It came with an odd experience that I remember very vividly. I am 18 now, and im sure that will cause many 'oh he's young and therefore attention seeking blah blah blah..' but in truth, I never really talk about it at all, and only recently did I tell my best mates, and they all laughed at me till i showed them some things that happen around me that are ever so slightly out of the norm.

people can agree to disagree all they want, after all we are not one, but many.

Originally posted by Arles Morningside
To be honest, I find many of the reports of abduction and contact disturbing in nature, if they are infact, factual, I believe some are. I also find the whole movement towards weird theology and idolizing other beings disturbing as well as this opens up a person to be manipulated. Perhapes most disturbing is how people excuse what is clearly disturbing. I'm not saying all of these beings are sinister, but there is certainly something going on in some of these encounters that are not OK and from my own experiences with the diversity of beings, there are certainly entities which cannot be trusted and who make deception an art form. It is never wise to trust anyone but yourself and your Higher Power if you believe in one, one should always be on guard (but not paranoid), even if the entity should appear like an angel and radiate exquisite love. If they are truly an entity worth while, they will understand and even expect such precaution.

Unless you're waking up and actually have had moments of power back and remember some of them, which is really something else, when it happens.

I really think this thread adds a lot to the subject.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Druscilla


Wow 2 pages of long detailed posts of someone with opinion only and who hasn't experienced anything, that she/he consciously is aware of. You must really be strongly motivated on issues that haven't touched you or family personally.

So....... I thought I would throw my $5 into this blundering situation.

1. You as a citizen of Earth get contact if and when you are ready to as contacts can have lets say risks on an individual.

2. Et's like individuals who are more open to understanding and open to contact. They do not like people who are negative, doubting and so on so forth.

3. Contact has 5 levels, level 1 dream time, level 2 OBE(Out Of Body Experience), level 3 contact sighting, level 4 telepathic contact and final level 5 contact is physical contact etc etc.

I will go in depth about some of them:

level 1 and level 2 occur more often then the other 3 levels as they have less risks (going loopy, government red flagging ya, black choppers and etc)

Level 1 and level 2 are more prone to be selected as the best contacts as the individual will remember that information which is important. However, at times individuals have bad recall for a reason as they were shown things that they are not ready for yet. ET's have best interests for us at heart that much I will say.

Level 3 contact happens if the individual is ready to take up the phenomenon and be more open to it. Thus limiting the risks involved in such contact. Et comes to you and not the other way around, they choose you and know when you are ready.

level 4 this is the best level ever it is like a guiding voice and trust me they do give us guidance if we are ready to hear and understand them. This is the stage where people recorded in history as angel on the shoulder. However, you must first establish if it is a truly good being and not a using entity so.... be sure its the angel on the shoulder and not the demon.

level 5 this level is awesome I tells you that much this is when you experience it and so does the rest of your family too. The way your world changes is just well better not ruin the experience rather let the surprise be a surprise.

The rest I will leave for ya do discover on your own ^_-

Now...... back to the points ~ !!!! ^_-

4. Negative ets aka the probing ones come in to you know what But.... people need to realize they have a bit more control over who comes for a visit. So..... if you are truly ready and truly want contact be sure to specify who you want to visit. Cause you might just be giving permissions to those that want to probe ya

Ok.... so as I was saying you only get contact when you are ready and that is it. Even if you know and think you are ready trust me they know you better then you know yourself that is how advanced they truly are.


p.s: There are more and more sightings and unexplained phenomenons happening around the world in the last 10 years even more then before. Disclosure is coming once the non interference contract lifts I said enough all I can tells ya be ready to see some loved ones.

reply to post by Unity_99


What exactly do you mean by that?

reply to post by Arles Morningside


Its not bad. There is a frequency match going on. In that thread I linked the reasons for contact and abductions is given, and past life readiness too. But for people off track and wandering down the wrong side of the road, he says they tend to take people out behind the shed, and alot of people remember what seems like more negative experiences, medical.

But if they were negative, they wouldnt have returned.

I've worked on waking up,and trying to stay calm when the kids fight, or the family is in disagreement, see them anew, trying to hold calmness, and turn things around, and find compassion for those doing the checkups on people, show kindness, and this has resulted in curtailing negative access, or this frequent type of checkup.

ET is Family, Higher Ups are ET, ET means extra terrestrial God is ET. Our souls are ET.

Now, it stands to reason that this school/prison/planet is not left in the hands of negatives, but Faith and Love works wonders here. Making others happy has a affect on our lives and the world.

So if, as some feel, some or all ET's are demons, or fallen ones, and they seem to imagine alot of empty space being created for just little old earth, treating this like the center of the universe, then I would say, you have no worries if you are Love and always treat other with Goodness and Kindness and Respect, and Appreciation, for even if a wolf in sheep's clothing shows up, SHINE.

Just don't live in Fear. Try to make your corner of the world happy, have Faith.

The above post pretty much says it all. And that thread by Sleeper, has lots of insight.

reply to post by Unity_99


The thing is, people are reporting being taken against their will and having things done to them against their will, they are having their minds messed with and some are profoundly traumatized. That is not acceptable and is revealing about the nature of what is going on in some of these interactions. The idea that they really 'asked for this' and just forgot or what have you, or that it's 'for their own good', or 'it will help them evolve to a higher state of consciousness' or whatever is unwholesome as are much of the weird philosophies that surrounds this subject. The darker aspect of this subject is being neglected in favour of airy fairy views which are not consistent with reality. And for arguement sake, Is it ETs? Is it demonic activity? Is it mental illness? Or whatever? Something's going on.

I'm not interested in having faith nor being a guru, i'm interested in finding the truth and doing something about it.

Originally posted by starheart

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by ScientificUAPer

 

What about the fact that I could see things 2 years in the future? What about the fact electrical systems would go haywire when I approached them?

Alerting you to the mods now.

Unfortunately, believing these things are also symptoms of mental illness. I don't understand how that can't be up for discussion since mental illness abounds here. You would be correct that calling someone "crazy" or "retard" would be inappropriate.

You too?! Druscilla, ScientificUAPer, now you... Why do you only believe in what the media and the government-paid doctors and scientists tells you? These things are not illness, otherwise, the US Army wouldn't have made an entire secret army called "PSI-Corps" (yes, it exists, and the wistleblowers have been diagnosed as credible and not mentally ill).

Let me clarify. When someone says they have some special ability like being able to predict the future, they better be prepared to deal with people saying they are mentally I'll. I am in know way saying such a thing but It goes with the territory. But at the same time I don't think there can be a rational discussion without exploring the topic.

Also, my beliefs are my own based on personal experience. I also have a background in psychology. I worked in mental health facilities for a number of years and have degree in psych. That said, I dont fancy myself an expert and I am actually quite critical of the field. I also believe myself to be quite "fringe" In my thinking.

reply to post by Arles Morningside


That is to me, BLACK OPS. And the milab program, and also for some, things can be rough if one is alseep at the wheel, sometimes it's a mirror, for example, how we treat animals can be reflected back at us, how we're treating the world as well. If we're working for the good of those around us.

We also can stop this happening by making some change sin our lives.

ET's are here to wake people up, in a variety of ways.

Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

I was just trying to help, sorry if i crossed a line.

No line crossed. I was just Trying to make a point that I don't believe there are any "attacks" being made on me. ...and whimsically

reply to post by Arles Morningside


I'll give you an example, one day, I was aware of a really negative curtain overhead, and went outside and sensed, a fleet, and I knew they were more like our level or Black Op/Co-op program. Felt really ominous.

Then I flashed on another level above, seemed like greys observing, and then I sensed above everything my Family rooted me to the spot, gave me assurance, they were watching over all and everything.

My friend started writing to me and said, there is a huge amount of crafts over my place, and I said yeah, I felt it too, and that they were the paramilitary fleet. But I was sensing Family nonstop, and he said, "Your son is up there"

edit to add, finally remembered the word, he used, he said Holy Moly there is an armada overhead. That is the Magician's Apprentice by the way. He's fairly psi himself.

That was like driving long distance over the mountain pass long distance and was so freaked over driving at high speed, with corners and having to pass semi's to free up the blocked up traffic. And was white knuckled with terror, often kids aboard. Not my cup of tea through the coast mountains in January/February.

Well, i always locked into crafts, and assurance sent They Were Watching All Was Safe. I was in contact with a safe trip. Then one trip, he actually teleported in, was in me and out of me, and for about 5-10 minutes he was driving and showed me where to look in each corner so I could drive it smoothly. The whole rest of the trip was wonderful.

Came home and was in the shower and he connected again and I was going through a portal to this homeworld that I recognized, a real planet or a construct one, and a council meeting, there was a big city and a council meeting and then I woke back up in the shower. Later went outside with a coffee and a blue corksrew spiral thing was in the sky, but I already knew.

They, true Family and Higher Ups are our friends and brothers/sisters, cousins, and living with Good Will towards others and Love is the most important thing one can do.

By the way, the point of it, is there are layers, upon layers of levels and I have faith in the Higher Ups. I don't give any power away to the lower levels but send them love and wish them to straighten up and disclose. That day I felt 3 levels overhead, from lower to higher.

If they disclose they have to have something equal and good and fair in place already, they should be preparing and equalizing people with energy devices, land for all, all the right things.

And I will continue to tell them off and what they need to do any time I see or feel or communicate with any negatives. No Fears.

The Universe/Multiverse is infinite layers up, where there is no real measurement of up except as a perception in infinity. There is always a Higher Level and then a Higher Level and then a Higher Level, and our Family and Good people are on Higher Levels than any of the ones meddling with us or the paramilitary. They have very low grade technology and Family protects us and watches over us.

reply to post by Druscilla

Keeping a machete by your bed at 5 years old

right..

and since you missed the entire thread I wrote.. and put words in my mouth and downplayed the entire story ..

you good..

no you.. .you're REALLY good..

Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Keeping a machete by your bed at 5 years old

right..
and since you missed the entire thread I wrote.. and put words in my mouth and downplayed the entire story ..
you good..
no you.. .you're REALLY good..

I don't see where I went wrong.
You posted this:

Now if you haven't read my thread of my personal encounter you should. To this day, I still don't have answers..

and in that personal encounter you clearly stated:

Reaching down beside my Cox, I grabbed my freshly razor sharp machete and suddenly realized the sound was right outside my bedroom window...how could that be since the window was on the second story!

and also this:

" FRIEND... ahhh... you ok ?? !! WTH is going on man ?? !"
ME: "something was outside our window..! "
FRIEND: " what.. " and has he began to moved toward it..
ME: " DON"T .. Damm it or I’ll swing.. Stay AWAY.. " as I made a move to threaten to swing if he went closer to the window.

The post you used to point me to this story you stated:

I still remember my encounter when I was at the age of 5

Thus, we have a 5 year old child wielding a machete, threatening to "Swing Away" at his friend because his friend wants to go look out the window?

Am I missing something here? Does that sound like rational behavior?
What's a 5 year old child doing with a "freshly razor sharp machete" anyway?

There's some definite very alarming behavior confessed in this story.

I know when and where I was growing up if authorities found a child that slept with a "freshly razor sharp machete", as well as parents that allowed such a thing to happen, that child would have been remanded to the care of the state for counselling, especially if this child was threatening to "Swing Away" with this "freshly razor sharp machete" at another child.

There are indeed some very serious and alarming issues confessed to here, least of which is your account at hearing some strange noise and responding with overreacted out of proportion fear.

Tell me what I'm missing here.
Does anyone else think it's normal or acceptable for a 5 year old child to be sleeping with a "freshly razor sharp machete"?
Does anyone else think it normal and acceptable for a 5 year old child to threaten another child with said "freshly razor sharp machete"?

I find the entire story extremely alarming on that point.
The rest about hearing some strange sound that freaked you out doesn't even matter at all when you confess to being a 5 year old child brandishing a "freshly razor sharp machete" threatening to "swing away" at another child.

It's really quite horrifying and blood chilling.

If it was my home that you were staying in as a guest and I found you waving a "freshly razor sharp machete" around at any other child, I would evict you and your family the very next day and make sure you spent the rest of the time far away from any other children you might be a threat to.

With all due respect, I'm sorry, but, in my book, 5 year old children do not have access to "freshly razor sharp machetes", and certainly are not allowed to sleep with them.

This is not rational behavior.
It wouldn't matter if there were monsters climbing in through the window. A child is suppose to run and get adults, NOT start swinging around a "freshly razor sharp machete" that he shouldn't have even had to begin with, much less sleeping with.