Alien Contacts

reply to post by Rubicant13


Our brains have the ability to see, hear, smell and feel things that are not there. Each and every one of us can hallucinate. Our own bodies produce '___'. This is one of the most powerful hallucinogens known. This has been detected in people having a near death experience. We experience it's effects every night when we dream. Healthy functional brains produce this and has nothing to do with your conception of psychology. This is physiology. Measureable and detectable. The effects are profound. When we consider events that happen while sleeping, you have to understand that this stuff is there.

What do imaginative children, passionate lovers, dreamers, psychonauts, telepaths, bliss-bunnies, UFO abductees, shamans and neo-shamans, birthing mothers and babies, near-death experiencers, and schizophrenics have in common? The same thing Tibetan, Taoist and Kabbalistic masters, meditators, mystics and religious prophets share. Their brains are flooded with natural psychedelic pineal secretions that tenaciously cling to their synaptic junctions, electrifying their whole being with multisensory virtual stimuli, experiential beliefs and delusions about the nature of reality.

ionaparamedia.50megs.com...

reply to post by Druscilla


no ..

THAT particular encounter was NOT at the age of 5 LOL.. and of course in my OP of my thread I linked to you doesn't state what age I was.. I was 18.

but anyways...no need to try and convince a mind that is already closed...

TTYL.. see you on the boards..

reply to post by Komodo


ah. you were 18.
Nowhere in the OP of that post do you state that you were 18. Nowhere in the post you gave in asking me to take a look at your personal story did you say the personal story took place when you were 18.
When you linked to that post all you said was that you still remembered the encounter you had when you were 5 years old.

What is a person to think?
It's not my fault you neglected to clarify that information.

Still, besides the point you were 18 years old, or 5 years old, or even if you were 28 years old, grabbing a machete because you hear a strange noise then waving it around in the face of your best friend because they want to look out a window is not rational behavior.

Besides that, you were 18, so, you should have known better! How does an 18 year old get so worked up and freaked out over some silly spooky sound outside their window? Why does an 18 year old sleep with a machete?
Was this during the great zombie outbreak of (insert date here)?
I doubt it, since there have been no recorded zombie outbreaks.

It's still a horrifying blood chilling confession of appalling behavior no matter what age you were when it happened.

You hear a strange noise, so you freak out and start waving a machete around at people?

My first response to your inquiry regarding your post was fair and balanced, yet, you reply with derision over a fault you neglected to clarify regarding your age. That's your fault, not mine.

You asked for an opinion, and I gave you a fair assessment based on the information given.
You were aware of my previous posts as you stated in your request for me to look at your personal story a respect for my opinion.
Were you expecting me to tell you something different?

Are you one of those people that pretends to ask for a sound opinion, but really you just wants someone to validate your own beliefs?
According to your story, no mater what age you were, you heard a sound, and you freaked out, way beyond being out of proportion, and then straight away threatened to swing a "freshly razor sharp machete" at your friend.

Who sleeps with a "freshly razor sharp machete"?
It doesn't matter WHAT age you are, or were when this story happened.
Your story depicts a seriously unbalanced, scary, machete wielding maniac. (not a clinical assessment)

I didn't force you to tell me or anyone else about confessing to reveal your experiences as an unbalanced machete wielding maniac. You told that story all on your own by yourself, freely of your own will.

What do you expect people to think when you tell stories about sleeping with a "freshly razor sharpened machete"? and then waving it around threatening your friend with it because your friend wants to look out the window?
Do you really think that dancing around, waving a machete about in people's faces, threatening to swing at them if they look out a window is rational, sensible, proper behavior fitting of someone that can be trusted in public or anywhere around other people?

With all due respect, I disagree. That kind of behavior is terrifying, without sense, dangerous, and completely uncalled for, not to mention impolite and rude.

I cannot and will not condone any actions resembling escapades involving unbalanced, terrifyingly scary machete wielding maniacs in civilized society.

Originally posted by Komodo
reply to post by Druscilla

 

no ..

THAT particular encounter was NOT at the age of 5 LOL.. and of course in my OP of my thread I linked to you doesn't state what age I was.. I was 18.

but anyways...no need to try and convince a mind that is already closed...

TTYL.. see you on the boards..

Machete eh.... Hmm.... I wonder was this for a safety precaution against the probing type agenda ET's ~ ????
But.... would it not help at all cause I mean they would see it coming

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


Misunderstanding of internal stimuli. You mean, me seeing 2 years into the future with dead accuracy is misunderstanding of internal stimulis? That me affecting (with witnesses) electrical devices are misinterpretation of internal stimulis? Isn't more likely than instead of a "massive hallucination", those things could actually be real?

Let me give you an example. Some are daltonic, meaning they don't see colours right. Does that mean that colours don't exist? No. Yellow colour has a very define wavelength, 600 nm. Some people might be able to see it exactly as it is. I am one of those people who saw behind the stage's curtain.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
reply to post by Rubicant13

 

Our brains have the ability to see, hear, smell and feel things that are not there. Each and every one of us can hallucinate. Our own bodies produce '___'. This is one of the most powerful hallucinogens known. This has been detected in people having a near death experience. We experience it's effects every night when we dream. Healthy functional brains produce this and has nothing to do with your conception of psychology. This is physiology. Measureable and detectable. The effects are profound. When we consider events that happen while sleeping, you have to understand that this stuff is there.

What do imaginative children, passionate lovers, dreamers, psychonauts, telepaths, bliss-bunnies, UFO abductees, shamans and neo-shamans, birthing mothers and babies, near-death experiencers, and schizophrenics have in common? The same thing Tibetan, Taoist and Kabbalistic masters, meditators, mystics and religious prophets share. Their brains are flooded with natural psychedelic pineal secretions that tenaciously cling to their synaptic junctions, electrifying their whole being with multisensory virtual stimuli, experiential beliefs and delusions about the nature of reality.

ionaparamedia.50megs.com...

I suppose this explains everything, right? The fact that cops gang up to shoot unidentified crafts in a report. The fact that photos has been taken from greys. The fact that a security camera filmed someone disapearing in a blue flash and then reappear back, vomiting and curled on the ground.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

Misunderstanding of internal stimuli. You mean, me seeing 2 years into the future with dead accuracy is misunderstanding of internal stimulis? That me affecting (with witnesses) electrical devices are misinterpretation of internal stimulis? Isn't more likely than instead of a "massive hallucination", those things could actually be real?

Let me give you an example. Some are daltonic, meaning they don't see colours right. Does that mean that colours don't exist? No. Yellow colour has a very define wavelength, 600 nm. Some people might be able to see it exactly as it is. I am one of those people who saw behind the stage's curtain.

Do not bother some are not ready to take a peak behind the curtain
Everyone has a life time or a time period when one wakes up from the coma so be understanding with those that don't

reply to post by Druscilla


So, these sources who have provided relevant and tested pieces of evidence have to be parapsychologists? I don't think so. My arguing point is that discounting someone's experience as for sure some form of trick of the imagination as cited by these sources you have provided, is not always the gospel truth. If you take a side, and do not explore the other, you have no way of verifying the real truth. I do not take everything I read as the bottom line. I took years to investigate claims of the paranormal to test and learn for myself whether or not paranormal phenomena was real or wasn't. I and others use scientific equipment as a means to finding and providing proof of such things. I never took the notion that it's all psychological and nothing else as an answer to the question of the validity of paranormal phenomena. I do not believe in aliens, but others do. I do not feel I have the right to tell them they are wrong based on the fact that I have never had an experience as they have. I most certainly will not tell them that it was all psychological as if it were the whole truth. So I have an idea. You have taken your stance on the matter. Here's an alternative. Get some equipment for yourself, and go investigate claims of reported paranormal phenomena for yourself. Be diligent, do it repeatedly. Take notes. And after you have done this, report your findings. Without exploring the science for yourself beyond the words of your sources, how can you honestly say that these experiences are not real? I most certainly would not take the word of someone I have never met and do not know, as the whole truth. I myself, know that some claims are just that. Overactive imagination. But I learned this through diligently and scientifically investigating the said paranormal claims for the truth of the matter. Get yourself a digital camera with an adjustable shutter speed, a high quality voice recorder and digital (preferably) night vision and/or infrared video camera and conduct your own research. In my investigations, I know that some groups out there have hoaxed their evidence to suit their attention seeking ways. There are ways to test photo and video camera evidence to see if the frames and pixels of the images have been tampered with.

My only point that I disagree with you, Druscilla, is that taking a claim of such experiences by others and lumping them with the many out there that have either been debunked or are not taken seriously is not a good approach. Explaining and not suggesting that their experience was nothing more than psychological as the only answer to the experience in and of itself is an arrogant assumption. Without having a genuine experience of your own proven using scientific methods and research is looking at the claim from a one sided point of view. Who knows? Maybe some out there have had a genuine experience, but by how the topic of such matters has been convoluted by fake and outrageous claims by attention seekers, no one takes the possibly genuine claim seriously. Take the challenge. Seek out your own independent answers to the question of the validity of the paranormal.

After all, you have relayed the watch idea as a way for those who believe they have been abducted to verify their claims. This would be a way for you to test the waters for proof for yourself, to disprove the claims of those that have had paranormal experiences, right? If you do not wish to test the waters, you will always argue one side of the issue and never truly know if maybe really is something else out there beyond the 5 senses, and hence, the human psychological framework of mind.

This link describes the ways that fake photographic evidence is found.
cartome.org...

www.realghostpictures.info...


www.castleofspirits.com...

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Komodo

 

Still, besides the point you were 18 years old, or 5 years old, or even if you were 28 years old, grabbing a machete because you hear a strange noise then waving it around in the face of your best friend because they want to look out a window is not rational behavior.

Besides that, you were 18, so, you should have known better! How does an 18 year old get so worked up and freaked out over some silly spooky sound outside their window? Why does an 18 year old sleep with a machete?
Was this during the great zombie outbreak of (insert date here)?
I doubt it, since there have been no recorded zombie outbreaks.

It's still a horrifying blood chilling confession of appalling behavior no matter what age you were when it happened.

You hear a strange noise, so you freak out and start waving a machete around at people?

Jesus help any Jehovah witness calling to his door , he would cut them down like a f**king tree.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

So, these sources who have provided relevant and tested pieces of evidence have to be parapsychologists? I don't think so.

I only suggested a University Parapsychology Department as a source for your own "Paranormal" claims.
If you can find supporting evidence not taken out of context with Geologists, Biologists, Physicists, Anthropologists, or anywhere else in the documented peer reviewed scientific community, then, feel free to do so.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

My arguing point is that discounting someone's experience as for sure some form of trick of the imagination as cited by these sources you have provided, is not always the gospel truth. If you take a side, and do not explore the other, you have no way of verifying the real truth.

Yet, these same experiences can be reliably replicated in the lab with control subjects that have never ever had such an experience coming away, describing the very same things.

It's the same principle behind making fake photos of ghosts. If I can make fake photos of ghosts, and the fake photos I make demonstrate the same thing you see people bringing you in the field, then, it would stand to reason, these photos from the field taken by strangers that exhibit the same characteristics as replicated in the lab, are examples of similar artificial manipulation and manufacture.

In this case, where these experiences can be replicated in the lab, evidence indicates that these experiences reported by people, including instances with bodily scarring, are the result of internally subjective experiences.

Further, as stated before, some claimed abductee subjects have indeed been given GPS devices, and, they went nowhere.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

Get some equipment for yourself, and go investigate claims of reported paranormal phenomena for yourself.

I've already indicated I've been involved with some studies in interviewing a number of abductees. The data is already there, and such experiences as has been stated, can be replicated in the lab.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

My only point that I disagree with you, Druscilla, is that taking a claim of such experiences by others and lumping them with the many out there that have either been debunked or are not taken seriously is not a good approach. Explaining and not suggesting that their experience was nothing more than psychological as the only answer to the experience in and of itself is an arrogant assumption.

I've yet to speak in absolutes. Please point out where I've said that ALL experiences can be attributed to the Psycho-social model?
I have reliably and accurately stated that the majority of cases can be explained by the Psycho-Social model.

Proper wording is important, as is observance of proper wording. If you took the time to study how real science is enacted, you will see where science rarely ever "proves" anything, but instead relies on indications based on available data where condition X most often results in effect Y.

Originally posted by Rubicant13
reply to post by Druscilla

 

After all, you have relayed the watch idea as a way for those who believe they have been abducted to verify their claims. This would be a way for you to test the waters for proof for yourself, to disprove the claims of those that have had paranormal experiences, right? If you do not wish to test the waters, you will always argue one side of the issue and never truly know if maybe really is something else out there beyond the 5 senses, and hence, the human psychological framework of mind.

As stated before, some abductees have indeed been given GPS where all evidence indicated they went nowhere.
I simply offered such solution as a means for claimant abductees in the wild to explore the option whereby if there is the possibility for real physical abduction occurrence happening, then, as a matter of interest, they're more than welcome to try using GPS to validate their claims, if only for themselves.
If by chance they can capture an event where data captured illustrates travel at 50,000kph or some other extreme then, such data would be be interesting.

Regarding photo manipulation and tricks, I'm well aware of many techniques.

reply to post by Druscilla


I am not talking about E.T. abductions. I am talking about going out and investigating the paranormal as in ghosts and the like. Give it a try. Nothing better than first hand experience. And there have been photos of apparitions taken that had no manipulation signature found. I posted the second link because they have been studied and they found no evidence at all of tampering. Even photographs can be doctored and there have been some that had no manipulation or double exposure found. Where i do agree with you that some experiences are of a psychological origin, others have been proven not to be. I can go out and take a legitimate picture of an apparition, have it tested and verified. There is no college education required. Many photos have been studied by experts in the field and been found to not be doctored in any way whatsoever. You require citations from college educated well known experts and many photos have been studied by these very people.

reply to post by Druscilla


It was mentioned earlier in one of your responses about ghosts, demons and the like being possibly being a psychological experience as well. That's why I have mentioned it.

Originally posted by starheart
I encourage all those that have contact with an alien species, or had an experience with them, to not fear of being ridiculised, and to come forward and relate their experiences.

I was contacted via personal message on ConcordBridge.com in 2010 by Shymhz a.k.a Shemeehaza (the chief of the rebel watchers) who wanted to post my NDE vision on his website.

Initially he didn't give his true name and I thought 'yeah, ok. Here you go. Do what you want with the document'.

Only later after asking questions about what I really witnessed did I find out who he really was.

Everything that I have posted on ATS is from him.

Oh and btw, everyone, even once traitors like him can be forgiven for their treachery on Mt Hermont back in the days of Atlantas. So any human sinner will be instantly forgiven once they speak the Lords prayer from the bottom of their heart in the name of Jesus Christ our Saviour.

If you have a good question then I can forward it onto the repented lyrim (watcher) via (believe it or not) email.

Originally posted by Druscilla

With respect, to those of you that disagree, and/or make hostile comments in counterpoint to my non-hostile matter-of-fact statement with links; I've read your beliefs, listened to your stories, as well as your reasons for feeling the way(s) you do (in general, in this thread and the many others like this), thus, I ask, without being hostile, please prove how open minded you are as many are want to claim, and read through at least 2 of the links I've posted.

With all due respect, they are not obligated or beholden to prove anything to you. I too have studied Psychology as part of my University transfer program, and if you think the cliquey, government and big business funded scientific community has some sort of ownership on the truth you are, in my opinion, not as open minded as you claim to be.

I don't remember the title of the thread being "Are alien abduction real?" It was by my understanding about people relating their experiences, not judging whether they are 'true' or not, or about them having to prove to anyone what the nature of their experiences were.

I have been a member for a short time, but i see you in many threads, rather gleefully throwing out your alleged expert opinion on all things alien and/or supernatural. While you are allowed and entitled to your opinion of course, that doesn't make it right, nor does it mean people owe you anything. Do you have some personal mission to convince everyone of your beliefs? If so, why? If not, why you do seem to hijack threads like this so often?

No offense, i'm just expressing myself here. I'm interested in the subject, and reserve judgment for now. I also don't think it's wise to apply across the board answers and explanations to all experiences. And to think you already know all the answers seems a little premature also.

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For the record, until such time as documented, cited, linked, on-topic counterpoint argument is presented for examination and debate, I stand by my premise that:

The majority of Alien Contact reports and claims can be described and attributed to subject specific personally subjective Psychological Phenomenon experiences.

Such stance is supported by:
The Psychology of Alien Contact and Abduction Claims

The Construction of Space Alien Abduction Memories

The Ordinary Nature of Alien Abduction Memories

Memory Distortion in People Reporting Abduction by Aliens

Transcultural Psychiatry - Sleep Paralysis, Sexual Abuse, and Space Alien Abduction

as well as many other well documented citations, and papers listed in the public domain on the subject.

Further, as supported by above documentation and other studies conducted regarding the phenomenon, the majority of Alien Abduction accounts can be accounted for by Schizotypy and/or Schizotypal Personality Disorder (SPD) as well as several other classifications.

Please note, this is not a personal criticism of anyone, but a classification as held in the Psycho-Social diagram.

Of further note; such classifications are not a statement of mental health, or illness, though such factors as relevant to this phenomenon of Alien Contact do make presentation.

In support of this statement, for the fourth time, quoting myself:

Schizotypy isn't necessarily a 'bad' thing.
There is such a state as "Healthy" Schizotypy:

Although aiming to reflect some of the features present in diagnosable mental illness, schizotypy does not necessarily imply that someone who is more schizotypal than someone else is more ill. For example, certain aspects of schizotypy may be beneficial. Both the Unusual experiences and Cognitive disorganisation aspects have been linked to Creativity and academic achievement. Jackson proposed the concept of ‘benign schizotypy’ in relation to certain classes of religious experience, which he suggested might be regarded as a form of problem-solving and therefore of adaptive value. The link between positive schizotypy and certain facets of creativity is consistent with the notion of a "healthy schizotypy", which may account for the persistence of schizophrenia-related genes in the population despite their many dysfunctional aspects.

I encourage those unfamiliar with, or biased against Psychological classifications to educate yourselves.
"Crazy" is not a clinical designation, but a societal perception.

Schizotypy in some ways, considering the creative aspects associated with healthy subjects, could be like having Synesthesia which is actually quite a wonderful and fascinating condition.

Thus, in summary:
The majority of Alien Contact accounts can be described as Psychological Phenomenon; subjective personal experiences had by subjects as the result of Schizotypal Personality Disorder, Sleep Paralysis, or similar where such is held out and supported in the documentation provided above.

Until similar documented counterpoint of topical relevance is offered for debate, the premise that the majority of Alien Contact accounts can be attributed to Psychological Phenomenon will stand as my stance on the subject, and until such debate with proper citation is presented such that challenges this position sufficiently to topple this position, said position will stand.

Individuals are welcome to their own views for any reason or no reason at all.
The views expressed in this post are a majority held view in the scientific community as upheld by rigorous peer reviewed and replicated research.

This position is not a criticism of any individual person. This is not an accusation or diagnosis of mental health. This is simply the view of the scientific community in regard to the topic of Alien Contact as described in the Psychological diagram.