Soldiers Who Urinated On Corpses, Burned Qurans Will Not Be Criminally Prosecuted

Personally I have no problem with our troops pissing on the corpses of taliban fighters.

The taliban and their philosophy is crazy. You can't use logical philisophical arguments and behavior to turn these people around. They are slightly less than human at this stage due to their own thinking and morals not ours.

The only way to blunt their psychology is to use tactic like urinating on their dead. You have to send them a message that is You will not be going to allah if you mess with US troops. We will piss on your corpses making them unclean so that you don't go into heaven. That scares crazy talibanies more than being shot up by US troops. Deny them heaven and their 72 virgins and they are more reticent to attack the US troops. Thats what's going on there.

Anybody who doesn't get that, doesn't understand the taliban their motives or the world we live in. Sorry but in warfare its acceptable to desecrate your enemy. You're playing to win not to be fare. Psyops makes a big difference.

reply to post by BASSPLYR

Personally I have no problem with our troops pissing on the corpses of taliban fighters.

Sorry but in warfare its acceptable to desecrate your enemy. You're playing to win not to be fare. Psyops makes a big difference.

In that case, anything goes.

After 11 years of fighting gangs of rag tag militia.....its now "no more good guys" and bad guys".

We just have a bunch of bloodthirsty scum killing each other for the sake of it. American soldiers vs Taliban.
Fine. So be it.

reply to post by PvtHudson

Hudson, nobody pissed on the Quran. People are in an uproar because they pissed on dead bodies. If an "Artist in America" tried doing that, there'd be a lot more going on than just outrage.

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Errr...Bassplayer, I don't think you know a lot about Islam, crazy OR moderate vein. Nobody (even the extremist Taliban) believe they won't go to heaven simply because someone pissed on their dead body. That is just as stupid and absurd as those colonial times theories about rubbing them with bacon or other nonsense like that.
Besides, even if they did, do you seriously think that'd make them give up? That is very naive. They'd just get angrier and more violent.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
But then again, I'd never really consider an American soldier much more than a Taliban. Both equally as bad as each other.

Well, you have certainly made your colours very clear.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Both pathetic. Don't ever accuse me of using pro-taliban spin.

No. Indeed. Just anti-Americanism spin. I hope that one day you find out, in a very practical sense, how bad the Taliban really are.

Originally posted by mr-lizard


Since you are no different to the enemy.

When have US troops beheaded innocent people, much less doing it along with video tape? When have American troops strapped bombs to their bodies for the purpose of blowing up civilian markets?

It's called false equivalency.

I'd really like an explanation for why liberals are so concerned with respect for extreme religious nut jobs? You certainly don't defend Christians in this way,. Why?

Originally posted by babloyi
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Hudson, nobody pissed on the Quran. People are in an uproar because they pissed on dead bodies. If an "Artist in America" tried doing that, there'd be a lot more going on than just outrage.

So some dead Taliban got pissed on. So what? Why do you care? Why do you care that a quran was burned?

You got Samuel L Jackson pissed off because no hurricane hit Tampa and killed any Republicans, but pissing on a dead Taliban sends you all in to outrage? REALLY?

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Well if you keep funding the Taliban, they'll keep performing these horrible deeds. Cut their money and they'll be limited.

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reply to post by PvtHudson

Errr....did you read what I said? I didn't mention anything about a Quran?

As for who cares?
How about basic human dignity? People don't care about that, I guess...How about the Geneva convention? You don't care about Afghanistanis or their law, obviously, so how about US law?

Weird how I have to explain this over and over.... one side doing wrong isn't okay just because the other side is doing MORE wrong. Wrong is wrong. And excuses like "heat of battle", "stress of war" don't fly unless you apply them to the enemy too.

Do we live in some sort of police state or something? Just because someone is our enemy and we are fighting a war with them means we can fling out over a thousand years of development of civilisation? Is it really that difficult to comprehend that urinating on a corpse is a vile and despicable act, no matter whose corpse it is?

Pointing out that urinating on a corpse is a vile and despicable act isn't "supporting the Taliban"

Originally posted by babloyi
...they may have murdered babies Old Testament style, they may have eaten all your puppies- THAT DOESN'T MAKE URINATING ON THEIR CORPSES OKAY.

It's a war.

Get over it.

Better still, try applying your heightened sense of moral outrage towards the Taliban who murder people for dancing, castrate POWs and murder children for laughing at them.

Errrr. No if the deceased is missing certain body parts, are considered unclean, then they don't get into heaven. The taliban are crazy. The only way to keep them under control is to out crazy them. Be scarier than them. You can't use logic with the taliban variety of terrorism. You have to out terrorize them. Thats how it works in the real world. there are no easy solutions. You have to fight fire with fire in this case. Crush them psychologically. Make them loose hope or the will. You don't do that by adding up a body count. These people don't care about dying. You do that by using psyops against them. The taliban are terrified of not dying correctly or being denied heaven due to their customs not being observed once they are dead.

Take the one thing they care about most from them and you begin to win the psychological war. Ever wonder why all the ME countries have oppressive dictators in control. Due to their culture and psychology they need to be repressed and reigned in to keep them under control.

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Does anyone anywhere on these boards support what the Taliban are doing, that I need to point out that they are doing wrong? And I mean ACTUALLY support them, not your dancing with words that turns "pissing on corpses is wrong" to "TALIBAN SUPPORTER!"
Nobody on these boards needs pointed out to them that the Taliban aren't nice guys.
Unfortunately, a huge percentage of people here seem to think nuking Mecca/Medina/Tehran is a good thing. "Turning the Middle East to glass" is a good thing. URINATING ON A CORPSE IS A GOOD THING. Drone-bombing innocent civilians including women and children is a good thing. They support and attempt to justify people who just go and straight out murder these innocent civilians.

And they use absurd and vile justifications like "It is a war, get over it" or "Stresses of war" or "PTSD" or "They're all just terrorists, it doesn't matter".
I'm sorry, but such people are just barbarous and vile. Besides, if you're going to try and justify one side with such stupid and disgusting excuses, why not try applying it on the other side as well? Because then all your off-topic links about the Taliban would become meaningless.

I'm sorry, "It is a war, get over it" doesn't fly. It is the talk of bloodthirsty savages. Rape, pillage, holocaust, beheading, necrophilia, nevermind urinating on corpses, you can try to justify anything with "It is a war, get over it".
Except it doesn't work. That is what we have laws for. Human rights for. The Geneva convention. So that people with such disgusting behaviour don't get a chance to act like the animals they are inside. Wrong is wrong and right is right. The lesser evil is still evil, especially when it is totally unnecessary.


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Again, Bassplayer, I don't know where you're getting your information from, but it is simply wrong. No, not even the Taliban believe such stuff. NO muslims believe such stuff, even the crazy fringe. It simply isn't true. What there IS is that desecrating a corpse (i.e. chopping parts, urinating, etc.) is a sin on the person doing it. It doesn't effect the corpse's "journey to heaven" or anything like that at all.

I'd say most of the Middle East has oppressive dictators because the western powers interfered somehow, or helped prop them up or supported them, or as a response to western powers interfering and trying to prop them up (Saudis, United Arab Emirates, Egypt during Mubarak, The Shah in Iran, etc.).

they should be kicked out of the military.

unless you want soldiers dishonoring your country and reputation then keep them in.

alot of people don't see anything wrong with urinating on corpses.

that just shows their mental state.

Originally posted by babloyi
Does anyone anywhere on these boards support what the Taliban are doing, that I need to point out that they are doing wrong? And I mean ACTUALLY support them, not your dancing with words that turns "pissing on corpses is wrong" to "TALIBAN SUPPORTER!"

Yet what puzzles me is the energy you put into being outraged at US soldiers urinating on dead Taliban in contrast to your somewhat mild concession that

Originally posted by babloyi
Nobody on these boards needs pointed out to them that the Taliban aren't nice guys.

followed by a misrepresentation

Originally posted by babloyi
Unfortunately, a huge percentage of people here seem to think nuking Mecca/Medina/Tehran is a good thing. "Turning the Middle East to glass" is a good thing.

A huge percentage of people on these boards thinks nuking Mecca/Medina/Tehran is a good thing? I must have missed that.

Further followed by an attack on the US's conduct of the war

Originally posted by babloyi
Drone-bombing innocent civilians including women and children is a good thing. They support and attempt to justify people who just go and straight out murder these innocent civilians.

I just find it so strange that you defend the honour of Taliban bodies so strongly, yet weakly concede that the Taliban "aren't nice guys", claim falsely that most people on the board want to nuke Mecca and then attack the US's conduct of the war.

Considering US soldiers urinating on dead talibani fighters is offensive to the taliban.

You know what is pretty offensive to American soldiers? Cutting off their heads while they are still alive. Purposely hiding behind innocent civilians to make the US look worse when they take out those cowards. US doesn't use human shields because its pathetic and below our sense of honor. Crucifying dead marines and hanging their charred bodies off of bridges. Telling the US that you found or dead marine and gave him a christian burial only to find out that the marine was thrown sans anything into the neighborhood trash dump.

But nooooooo. Pissing on a few dead talibani soldiers is the worst. I call it psyops to demean the enemy, put them in their place.

I hold respect for all bodies. Are you suggesting I should respect a dead body less because it used to be a Taliban? That I should consider it okay to urinate on a corpse because it is one of those "bad-guy Taliban" instead of "Shining armour saviour American soldiers"?
Sorry, I'm not an idiot.

I don't know why I have to keep explaining this. The actions of Taliban soldiers before they died have ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE on the wrongness of desecrating a corpse. It is YOU who brought up that off-topic branch into this thread, the way you usually do.

And you probably won't say it out loud (or you have, but I'm too lazy to search it out), but judging from your blind and unflinching hatred of all things Islamic, I bet you do support the nuking of Mecca/Medina/Tehran. Others on ATS have had no reason to hide it. Your friend Robert Spencer, Pamela Gellar and their ilk, who you constantly link to and quote from (Jihadwatch, thereligionofpeace, atlasshrugs, all those sites that people like Breveik loved so much), and the comments from their userbase (of which you are one, since you link to them so often), have no qualms about nuking those places.

Just search nuke and Mecca in the forums search, and the only trouble you'll have over 10 pages of forum posts by members (I said a huge percentage, I never said "most", so don't twist my words) all hailing and cheering on the nuking of Mecca.

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Nope I'm not on the Nuke bandwagon. Nukes aren't strong enough where are our neutron bombs when we need them. How you going to turn Mecca into glass with just a standard nuclear bomb. Go big or go home! hoorah! America!

JK. I don't think anybody really is going to endorse the doctrine of nuking all of the middle east and starting over with a clean slate. It would make things easier if only little things like the jet stream and nuclear fallout didn't exist. Besides there's going to be some form of retaliation by some eastern european faction that hates the west for nuking the ME.

But trust me the human body is not that sacred. Just get into a street fight one day, where you have to fight for your life. Normally, you would be a little squeamish breaking a guys arm or crunching in his face with your fist. But in the heat of the moment you do not give a damn about that person. In fact you'll sacrifice your own arm if you think it will allow you a better shot at hurting your enemy. Human bodies in war time although altruistic to think so, are not sacred. Not even after the battle. If I get a guy down. I kick him again until he stops trying to get up. Partially because I want to make sure he's good and incapacitated. But mainly it's to teach him a lesson he'll never forget. It's called psyops and it's legitimate in warfare.

No. Bass player, that is what I keep trying to explain. IT IS NOT LEGAL. It is not legal by the laws of either country, and if you say "It is okay because it is war!", then it isn't legal by the standards of the Geneva Convention, or even the UCMJ, (which are specifically meant to deal with soldiers and war) as a previous poster brought up.

All this "Law of the Jungle" stuff might sound cool to talk about, but it is called "Law of the Jungle" for a reason. It is barbaric and savage, and something cavemen would do, not us.

I understand it's technically against the law. But jungle rules DO apply to any form of combat. War is not civilized. there is no way to be civilized about it other than trying not to kill innocent civilians and treating them will general respect. I'm all for treating normal enemy soldiers with respect. For instance a surrendering Iraqi during the gulf wars is a different story from a refuse to surrender going down fighting taliban who is trying to kill you because you are some infidel.

Yes they want us off their land so that they can go about unabated by reality and the modern world with their psychotic beliefs (talking abut the taliban). But the only way to deal with crazy violent people is to either lock them up immediately (ie remove the threat) can't lock them up, but we CAN blow them up. Or to simply scare the begeezus out of them by out alpha-ing them. I would say pissing on their dead war buddies is a good way to out alpha them. to mark your territory to let them know who boss. They understand that, which is why they are so angry about it. It's a slap to their face about reality, which is exactly what the taliban need. I understand emasculating them is cringed upon by the west in general. But in this instance that IS what is needed. The taliban are just getting emascualted by this treatment and it's what is required to break their will, and to get them to stop fighting. The first group who are emasculated will just get madder. Thats normal, but by the time this rolls around to the second and third generation they will just be too emotionally weak to fight. WIll break their wll, and eventually teach them the hard way to "get in where you fit in"

Originally posted by babloyi
And you probably won't say it out loud (or you have, but I'm too lazy to search it out), but judging from your blind and unflinching hatred of all things Islamic, I bet you do support the nuking of Mecca/Medina/Tehran.

I can assure you than I do not support nuking Mecca/Medina/Tehran.

On the other hand, I have never known you to do anything but defend all things Islamic, including the holy sanctity of dead Taliban bodies.

Those same Taliban who castrate POWs, kill children who laugh at them and murder people who dance.

By not discipling these retards appropriately it gives out the wrong message and probably many more American soldiers will die at the hands of infuriated Afghanis now. Smart move ..... not