Ga. Murder Case Uncovers Terror Plot by Soldiers

reply to post by skepticconwatcher


Something I learned from reading Smedley Butler is that a war minded group, when they don't have war to occupy their time, will find ways to create war. With Smedley Butler that was someone approaching him to be the puppet president (the good soldier that he was).

But even the Romans observed that soldiers with idle hands are soldiers that cause problems. It is how Julius Caesar came to power.

Interesting like other said the timing of the incidents and the possible terror plot by no other than US soldiers, trained by the government.

No wonder we have now paranoia going around against our war vets, incidents targeting vets will come more and more often, I bet that bills will be on the congress whores table to deal with possible homegrown terrorist amid our own troops, sadly this will impact mostly those no longer serving in the military.

Very interesting developments.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


I replied to your op but I wasn't really intending that question for you. It was just a general thought.

Just goes to show how polarized this country is these days. It still amazes me how George Washington 250 years ago was able to see the dangers in a 2-party system that we still can't comprehend today.

What I said in the copy thread;

These people are useless, killing the president doesn't do anything but HELP the TPTB. It would be used as an excuse to put some bull# law through, or label all anti-government minded people as terrorists, which would be 99% of ATS members.

And shooting a walking mascot doesn't help, if you get rid of a front man, another comes....the Don of the banking cartel is still there though.

Most revolutions turn out really bad ....and result in dictators. If we overthrew the gov currently, I doubt we would retain due process, freedom of speech, right to bear arms on and on....

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Just found out that the ring leader was a page at the RNC Convention in 2008. I bet he went right out and joined up as soon as it was over.

GOP SOLDIER BOY

This site makes no sense sometimes.. on one hand we KNOW that the US government needs to go.

We watch Syrian Rebels attempting to overthrow the government and some of you cheer.

Then when it comes to our own country, someone takes initiative and suddenly it's horrible.

I have to ask, at what point would this action not be terrorism, but necessary?

I'm not saying by taking a base or whatever they planned for the small-scale, but taking action to remove the government, by force since it's completely obvious they aren't there for our best interest and have lied consistently, i'm not seeing the problem with this...

There are no other solutions in the short term, watch and see, Obama or Romney,
it doesn't matter, you will get your continued war, your conflict, your division, your sideshow.
your taxes will rise, your food prices will rise, gas prices will rise until we are completely and utterly dependent on what we no longer have because by then it will be too late, because no one acted on our behalf.

We are beyond the point... this type of plot is proof. People know it's coming.
This enemy is us and we are them. This is not a direct war, it's subversive. Espionage. Assassination.

I cannot believe you all fall for this fake plot!
Do you realize how much power and force.
Obama will now be able to use and any one he likes.
He can already kill you or imprison you.
And you have No rights at all.
Now with this Obamas powers will go all the way to a despot dictator.
And You fall for this plot?
Why can you not see this is better than 911 ?
Obama will be able to do ANY thing he likes.
Most of you did not like when they took a soldier to the nut house for a facebook post.
You just wait and see. You have now Lost All your freedom.
God help you american idiots.

reply to post by buddha


Yeah Okay whatever. Did they plant him as a page at the GOP convention in 2008 as well ?

HUH ?

THIS ONES YOURS PAL

Ever time Obama said 911. He got cheers.
NOW he has This and he will get cheers again.
And he will use this to win the election.
And all he had to do was fake a assassination on himself.
Please don’t fall for this. And I am sorry you let Obama get elected aging!

Originally posted by maria_stardust
I'm curious as to how four soldiers managed to accumulate $87,000 worth of weapons and bomb-making materials. Unless they hocked their collective gaming consoles and video games and DVDs, it boggles the mind that they were able to come up with a fraction of that kind of money.

This can only be the tip of something much larger.

According to the story in the link, it was financed by the ringleader's $ 500,000 dollar insurance policy from the death of his pregnant wife.

MK ultra! mind control.
all they have to do is think they did it.
do you all beleve ever thing your goverment says?

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by buddha

 

Yeah Okay whatever. Did they plant him as a page at the GOP convention in 2008 as well ?

HUH ?

THIS ONES YOURS PAL

reply to post by buddha


You realize the ability to kill anyone, or use, frame, or otherwise create a plot to redirect attention elsewhere has always existed in the US, right? It's just a right that comes with the presidency, it's common sense really. The government has all the tools and all the connections that you could ever ask for to conceal anything it wants. Do you have any idea of the state this country would be in if the government just one day decided to disclose all the skeletons in the closet of this nation's history? It would be full-scaled anarchy & riots from LA to New York.

reply to post by buddha


It's not Obama..it's the entire US Government. We had all this same crap before with Bush only then it was his fault. Now we put the blame on Obama...he's just another cog in the machine as will be the victor in November. The US President has no more say so than the Queen of England. Because if he did, we'd have that hope and change we all fell for last time.

Originally posted by yourmaker
I'm not saying by taking a base or whatever they planned for the small-scale, but taking action to remove the government, by force since it's completely obvious they aren't there for our best interest and have lied consistently, i'm not seeing the problem with this...

I do, it's really simply-Better than the devil you know than the one you don't. I don't know these people. You assume they believe what you do. They could be just as authortrian as our current government. Revolutions generally don't turn out well. Our first one was ok, the odds aren't in your favor for the success of a second one. And really, while Obama isn't my cup of tea the man does have children. I don't want to see any child lose their parent.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
I'm not to sure of what to think on this one, I find the timing to be mighty convenient with the recent detention of other veterans due to voicing their opinions.

If this is true I'm glad they uncovered this plot but I have seen a whole lot of demonization of American war vets by their own government recently so these "plots" that they "uncover" always leave me suspicious.

Could this be a fabricated plot to assassinate the president?

Prosecutor Isabel Pauley says the group bought $87,000 worth of guns and bomb-making materials and plotted to take over Fort Stewart, bomb targets in nearby Savannah and Washington state, as well as assassinate the president.

Who knows if this is true or not but I have a feeling we will be hearing about many more of these "plots" being uncovered in the near future.

abcnews.go.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 27-8-2012 by Corruption Exposed because: spelling

Two thoughts.

1. This is 100% nonsense designed as an excuse to detain veterans for thought crimes.

2. If it is real...what are they waiting for?

Originally posted by yourmaker
This site makes no sense sometimes.. on one hand we KNOW that the US government needs to go.

We watch Syrian Rebels attempting to overthrow the government and some of you cheer.

Then when it comes to our own country, someone takes initiative and suddenly it's horrible.

What happened in Egypt? There were no bombings, no poisoning of food supplies, no shooting of presidents and no plans to take over army bases.
What happened in Syria? People protested, the government attacked them and started murdering their own people in the street. That's when the people fought back.

It's a little difficult to swallow the notion of a violent revolution in the USA when 90% of the American population can barely be motivated enough to get off their fat ass and walk down a street with a placard!

When the people have protested in significant numbers, and they have been attacked by their government, then and only then is something like these guys were planning even remotely half acceptable.

Americans need to get off their butts, get political, be engaged and work the system FIRST. Which is what Occupy has been doing since they began. You can't jump straight from "I'm pissed" to "lets kill them all!!!!"

These guys missed a step. If they are that angry with their government, they should have left the military, and joined a protest. You express your anger and frustration through shouting before you grab a weapon, and grabbing the weapon should only be in self defense!

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by yourmaker
I'm not saying by taking a base or whatever they planned for the small-scale, but taking action to remove the government, by force since it's completely obvious they aren't there for our best interest and have lied consistently, i'm not seeing the problem with this...

I do, it's really simply-Better than the devil you know than the one you don't. I don't know these people. You assume they believe what you do. They could be just as authortrian as our current government. Revolutions generally don't turn out well. Our first one was ok, the odds aren't in your favor for the success of a second one. And really, while Obama isn't my cup of tea the man does have children. I don't want to see any child lose their parent.

I can really respect that opinion.
I will only counter with, we will never know for certain if we don't try.
If our revolution ended up worse then the previous, I would only hope it would inspire the next revolution to try harder and learn from our mistakes. At one point, we'd have to get it right.

I'd just like to clarify, so I don't have two men in suits at my door.
Revolution is possible without firing a shot. Simply a show of force would be enough.

It's a change of mind. Overthrowing the government in the sense that we become indifferent to it.
Take it over, change what it's made of and why.

Essentially changing who we listen to.

If people, especially soldiers, have thoughts or plans of wanting their government changed or 'overthrown,' than it is not the fault of the citizens. If things are bad enough for people to think such things than obviously the gov is the one that is in the wrong. The reason soldiers have strong feelings toward what is happening with the government is because we have seen people die for no reason, and see things happening at home that there is no excuse for.

If it is against the law to speak of or hope for some type of overthrow(even though we do it to other nations all the time) than I guess we aren't as free as we are led to believe. Another one of those 'support your government or else' type of things. The leaders are the ones that need to change, not the citizens calling for overthrow.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

I would like to point out we have been on the defensive for YEARS now.
Occupy was a result of that. And look what happened when we protested..
Our rights were trampled on as if they didn't exist. The people were ignored.

How would we not be acting in self-defense by removing the government?
They've already made the move several times.
Not until they are doing what exactly would you find it necessary?
For me, and i'm sure many others, that point was sooo long ago.