17-Year-Old Sexual Assault Victim, Ruined Attacker's Life Says His Lawyer

reply to post by LeSigh


Those aren't the punishments unless you are tried and convicted as an adult. Also, the first line clearly states that the judge can modify the sentencing guidelines.

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Actually a little victim blame is also in order here.

She also broke the law by getting drunk underage and passing out. Was she charged with underage drinking? She also broke the law by disclosing information sealed in a case. She should be charged and tried for it.

The boys aren't right, but they were tried, found guilty and were punished. What she did was add her own personal additional punishment over and above what was agreed to by the judge, the defense and the prosecution acting on her behalf.

You might not like it, but she did it.

Victim blame is NEVER in order. I am so disgusted by some of the people here. Tell you what, if you ever have a daughter, and she gets drunk, and raped, lets just say its her fault, k?

You can blame her for the things she did that were wrong. To imply that it is in ANY way her fault that she was assaulted is the exact reason why people continue to get assaulted. So congrats to you all who justify this-next time hopefully its someone you care about.

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I have 4 daughters and they aren't stupid enough to put themselves in that situation.

They follow the laws and they follow the rules... and I will be darned if they have somehow avoided passing out drunk and getting sexually assaulted because of it.

You wear your agenda and your personal experience a little too boldly on your sleeve...

Edit to add... you just wished sexual assault on people we all care about? What the heck is the matter with you?!? That has to be the most brain damaged thing I have ever seen written on this site -and this is ATS!!!

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I have 4 daughters and they aren't stupid enough to put themselves in that situation.

They follow the laws and they follow the rules... and I will be darned if they have somehow avoided passing out drunk and getting sexually assaulted because of it.

You wear your agenda and your personal experience a little too boldly on your sleeve...

My agenda? You mean to NOT BLAME THE PERSON WHO WAS ASSAULTED?

Seriously...i weep for the future....one can only hope your daughters never find themselves in this type of situation, but if they do, I fully expect that you will say it was their fault.

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I have 4 daughters and they aren't stupid enough to put themselves in that situation.

They follow the laws and they follow the rules... and I will be darned if they have somehow avoided passing out drunk and getting sexually assaulted because of it.

You wear your agenda and your personal experience a little too boldly on your sleeve...

Edit to add... you just wished sexual assault on people we all care about? What the heck is the matter with you?!? That has to be the most brain damaged thing I have ever seen written on this site -and this is ATS!!!

edit on 22-8-2012 by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies because: Couldn't believe the stupidity

No more damaging than saying a its a girls fault that she got raped. Anyone who blames the person who got raped, needs to experience it. Only then will you realize how far gone you are.

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They never would because of good parenting teaching them not to go to parties, drink underage and pass out.

As I said before, nothing the boys did was right or excusable... but our princess here is also guilty of underage drinking and criminal defamation of character for violating the court order.

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Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

They never would because of good parenting teaching them not to go to parties, drink underage and pass out.

As I said before, nothing the boys did was right or excusable... but our princess here is also guilty of underage drinking and criminal defamation of character for violating the court order.

They would never. Right. lets only hope you are correct. Like i said though, if it does happen, I hope you will not press charges, and go ahead and tell your daughter that its her fault that she got raped. Because that IS what you are saying.

How someone with daughters can think this way is so far beyond me...i feel ill.

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

LOL!!!!

You say others are far gone then wish rape on people?

What color IS the sky in that world of yours?!?

Edit to add: I never said it was her fault she got raped you weakminded fool. Learn to read. I said it WAS her fault that she put herself into a vulnerable position.

edit on 22-8-2012 by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies because: The stupidity just keeps coming...

Sokay, bud. Tell your daughters it is their fault when/if they are raped.

There is one word for some of the replies to this thread ~ APPALLING.

There are clearly misogynists in this thread. I guess I should expect nothing less considering the demographic here.

I feel sorry for your wives and daughters.

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I think if more people with daughters thought the way that I do - which is that the children be brought up not to disobey the law and to be protective of themselves so as not to put themselves into vulnerable positions - as well as being brought up with the knowledge of self defense and the knowledge of what kinds of risky behaviors can put them into situations where they can get hurt and how to avoid them - then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

She should have never drank underage. They never should have assaulted her. She never should have violated the court order. None of their hands are clean in this.

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Why do you feel sorry? Because they won't drink underage, pass out and get assaulted?

That is crazy-talk.

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I think if more people with daughters thought the way that I do - which is that the children be brought up not to disobey the law and to be protective of themselves so as not to put themselves into vulnerable positions - as well as being brought up with the knowledge of self defense and the knowledge of what kinds of risky behaviors can put them into situations where they can get hurt and how to avoid them - then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

She should have never drank underage. They never should have assaulted her. She never should have violated the court order. None of their hands are clean in this.

And I think if more people were like you there would be more people getting away with rape. Because its the victims fault, in your eyes.

There is nothing, EVER, than ANYONE can do to INVITE rape or sexual assault. If I want to run around naked with a sign that says "my penis tastes like chocolate", that still does not give ANYONE the right to come and touch it.

Again, justifying sexual assault is the exact reason it happens so much. "She was asking for it by the way she dressed"; "she got drunk so she deserved it", "she was acting slutty"...in what world do any of these things JUSTIFY A RAPE?

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Well, as I was saying before being personally attacked...

She really blew it by breaking the terms of the court order. Justice was done in a court of law. It is not this girl's right nor the right of anyone else to break and disobey the terms of the court order.

Like it or not, if we just start allowing anyone who wants to violate a court order to do it, then every restraining order in the US becomes immediately uninforcable - not to mention every other court order.

Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
They never would because of good parenting teaching them not to go to parties, drink underage and pass out.

No of course not. Good parenting means kids never ever break the their parents rules.

Just pretend for the sake of discussion the possibility your daughter went to a friends house. Drink too much. Went unconscious. Was sexually assaulted and videotaped. You make it sound as though you would ground her because she was drinking....

but our princess here is also guilty of underage drinking and criminal defamation of character for violating the court order.

"our princess"?

Let's say she was not underage. Let's say they were all of legal drinking age. How does that change things exactly? How is underage drinking connected to the sexual assault? It's not. They are two separate things completely.

Originally posted by LeSigh
And here is how the sentencing SHOULD have gone for a class D felony:


For a Class D felony, not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years.

Should this have been the sentencing for juvenile?

They didn't get 1-5 years they got 180 days (I believe)...

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by LeSigh
And here is how the sentencing SHOULD have gone for a class D felony:


For a Class D felony, not less than one (1) year nor more than five (5) years.

Should this have been the sentencing for juvenile?

They didn't get 1-5 years they got 180 days (I believe)...

EPHE was likely correct. I admittedly didn't take into account that juvenile sentences are generally lighter- and it DOES say the judge can modify a sentence even for an adult.

Also, FTR, I agree with EPHE that this girl made some foolish choices. Partying without obvious adult supervision and underage drinking shows a lack of good decision making on her part. The difference between what the girl was doing and what the boys did is in the realm of she 'sinned against herself' (so to speak), whereas the boys sinned against/harmed someone else. When talking ethics- one clearly is worse than the other.